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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020 This piece is somewhat longer than the previous ones and may be of interest primarily to Catholics (which is why I put it at widos.info instead of saucci.net), but for those who may be interested in why the Church is so willing and in some cases eager to be put out of business, here it is.The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 21:07:15 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. AlMGP38Chris Catfish Dand124 Bill JXBMT bingbong |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 23 21:11:22 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. Maybe Catholic bishops are not so eager to reopen churches because they realize manslaughter is a mortal sin. The church has departed from its 16th century ways and now pays attention to science.Note that the bishops of New York, Newark, Brooklyn, and Rockville Center all canceled masses for the weekend of March 14th-15th, with not a single government entity telling them to do so. They did so out of concern for the safety of their parishoners. Note also that the Catholic Church teaches that a health concern is a reason for not attending mass. And note that many churches are televising mass daily. Finally, note that churches are actively soliciting money so that they can pay their bills, and that parishoners are forking over significant amounts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 21:13:38 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by AlM on Sat May 23 21:11:22 2020. Good post. I agree. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 22:02:39 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. Andrew Saucci you are Italian and anti-Catholic? Interesting.If you have been to Mass in the last few years, you'd notice attendance is so low we could probably hold mass while social distancing. The sex scandals are interesting because they never did impact the NY area like other areas. I think it's in part Mafia influence. The predatory priests are usually outside the NY area. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 22:19:58 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. That first sentence tells me all I need to know about whether I need to read it. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat May 23 22:33:25 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 22:19:58 2020. I stoped after the 1st paragraph. No need to read on. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 23 22:35:18 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat May 23 22:33:25 2020. Yea, me too! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 22:40:04 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat May 23 22:33:25 2020. Paragraph? I stopped at the first comma. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 23 23:20:28 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. As a Jew, I wonder what the writer thinks of Vatican II.By the way, the ordering of closing of churches is not unconstitutional for many reasons. The Constitution does NOT guarantee "freedom of religion". It does prohibit the government from establishing a state religion. Directing all houses of worship to close, regardless of religion (churches, synagogues, mosques) clearly indicates that the government was not trying to establish any one religion. Religious practice was not banned. I could still pray in my home daily, which I did. I just could not do so communally. And given the health crisis, no court would have found that the government's order to close houses of worship to be unconstitutional. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 23:23:52 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 23 23:20:28 2020. Dude most Catholics don't know what Vatican II is. Neither do I.We are mostly spiritual like me. I am very confrontational on the dietary restrictions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 23:48:20 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 23 23:20:28 2020. You’re responding to the writer. Why don’t you ask him?And what the FUCKING FUCK! The Constitution absolutely guarantees freedom of religion! While you claim that your religion allows you to worship from home, which I know is true and which applies to you, it doesn’t apply to everyone. The ability to congregate for religious services is absolutely being curtailed. It may still be constitutional if it’s found to be narrowly tailored to advance a compelling government interest (which I believe it is). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 23:48:50 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 23:23:52 2020. The OP almost certainly does know. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sun May 24 00:16:15 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 23:48:20 2020. It depends the places restricting drive in services are crossing the line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 24 00:25:56 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by DAnD124 on Sun May 24 00:16:15 2020. It doesn’t “depend.” Also restricting drive-in services is not “narrowly tailored.” In fact, that’s actually a great example of making something “narrowly tailored.” |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 24 00:52:31 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 23 23:20:28 2020. the ordering of closing of churches is not unconstitutional for many reasons. The Constitution does NOT guarantee "freedom of religion"Red herring and utterly false claim. The First Amendment guarantees "the free exercise thereof". Directing all houses of worship to close, regardless of religion (churches, synagogues, mosques) clearly indicates that the government was not trying to establish any one religion Absolutely absurd. Equal closing of all religions is not within the purview of the Establishment Clause. It is, however, part of the doctrine of Marxism. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 24 00:53:14 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. This is not unusual for that church under Marxism. It's actually historic, albeit not unilateral (cf. John Paul II). |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 24 01:14:54 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 22:02:39 2020. You know what? In the twelve years I went to Catholic School, me and my friends never ever heard of any kid getting molested by any of the priests in our Parish. And the streets talk as everyone knows, if something was going on, we would have heard of it, as our parents and uncles, aunts, neighbors would have as well. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 24 03:51:06 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 23 23:23:52 2020. Vatican II is an interesting point in Church history.Without many details I can say when I was in 7 and 8th grade we had a Brother teach us history and religion. Most of his religion class was church history. Very quickly what I remember from his class was that the church was a well organization throughout the 1950s. Suddenly the pope died. With no contingency plan for electing a new pope a consensus elected Pope John XXIII. The idea was that he would be a placeholder until a so called more suitable permanent pope could be discovered and ultimately elected. The plan essentially backfired because John XXIII called the second Vatican council which suggested many changes in an attempt to bring the church up to modern standards. Again a very brief synopsis of Vatican II. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 24 04:54:59 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 24 00:25:56 2020. Don't you mean restricting drive-in services is not narrowly tailored? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 24 07:15:49 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 23 23:20:28 2020. The Constitution does more than prohibit a government from establishing a state religion. With the free exercise clause it also prohibits the favoring of religion over non-religion and vice versa. Not all religions find Zoom or the like acceptable. Some require a certain minimum number of people in one location. It definitely is a question whether the laws are narrowly tailored especially when it comes to “drive in” services where appropriate precautions are taking place. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 09:00:37 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 24 01:14:54 2020. Yep. I too went to Catholic School for 12 years (1956-68) and there was never even a hint or suspicion of any kind of sexual molestation at any time. However, getting smacked around and humiliated by the nuns and Marist Brothers was an accepted/tolerated practice. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 24 09:14:42 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 09:00:37 2020. The victims usually didn't talk, especially not to their parents, until they were older. There have been descriptions about how predators operate. They inch their way in, and if the kid ever, ever says stop it or I'll tell my parents, the predator stops (and apologizes profusely if necessary about how his intentions were misunderstood) and goes on to another victim.A long-time friend of my wife's says that a priest on LI who was publicly exposed was in her parish. She says she was with him alone once when she was about 13, and he acted really weird, and she made sure never to be alone with him again. But she didn't tell anyone. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun May 24 10:46:47 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 22:19:58 2020. The OP is on my no-read list, so I didn't bother. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 11:38:05 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by AlM on Sun May 24 09:14:42 2020. I'm not saying it never happened, What I am saying is in my 12 year Catholic School experience I never saw it.Growing up in Queens, there were 3 parishes (Queen of Angels, St Sebastian's & St Marys of Winfield) within a 10 mi radius of my house. In the space of the 12 years I mentioned, there had to be at least 10 thousand kids pass thru their doors. Not one mention of any kind of sexual abuse, then or now. Not a complaint from any of them. Thats an awful lot of kids to have kept quiet. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 24 12:09:10 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 11:38:05 2020. Thats an awful lot of kids to have kept quiet.No. There are many, many parishes where nothing improper ever happened. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 24 13:04:57 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 09:00:37 2020. Well, yes, of course! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 24 13:05:58 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 11:38:05 2020. Exactly. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun May 24 13:52:17 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 24 09:00:37 2020. There was corporal punishment in the public schools too in the 60's. In East Meadow I remember in both junior high & high school students were given the choice of x amount of whacks with the paddle or "X" hours of detention. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 24 16:34:34 2020, in response to The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 23 20:58:43 2020. I stopped reading the moment it said this:In this time when the iron curtain of authoritarianism has descended upon the United States and most of the rest of the formerly free world, Another idiot who doesn't know what real authoritarianism is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 24 18:51:41 2020, in response to Re: The Curious Silence of the Catholic Church, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 24 16:34:34 2020. IAWTP. Same here. |
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