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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:37:45 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:33:05 2019.

If he was Irish-Catholic it would be a beer bottle.

Yeah, I think it's crazy how that hit went down. I was on Knickerbocker when it happened but we were all the way down towards the M train station.

At the time it was a two-way street and there were ice cream trucks named "Mister Jolly" and "Freezer Fresh" instead of Mister Softee. I was autistic about the ice cream trucks.



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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:43:22 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:29:14 2019.

Remember when the Gambinos tried to rub out "Handsome" Jack Giordano right in front of the ER at Lenox Hill? A Lenox crew was right there putting their stretcher back into the bus when the bullets started flying. The medics grabbed Jack, who was about six-three, by his armpits and literally dragged him, under fire, into the ER. That's no mean feat, because the ambulance entrance door at Lenox is a thick, heavy steel affair. You carry as best you can under the circumstances, whether the patient is alive...or not.

N.B. Jack survived the attempted hit, and was taken in another ambulance a couple of weeks later to a rehab facility out in Jersey.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:56:05 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:35:04 2019.

Is that right? I happen to have spent the last 20 years working in the confines of the 44 and that's utter horseshit. Of all the precincts to pick you go with the 44. Ha

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:56:31 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:43:22 2019.

I have to Google that hit.



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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:57:05 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:37:45 2019.

Beer? How simple.
I'm glad you recall the ice cream men that well.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:58:00 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:43:22 2019.

You're using a guy that was wounded by gunfire as an example now?

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:59:37 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:56:05 2019.

You worked in the 44 when I was in Bn19?

Don't think so.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 18:01:32 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:58:00 2019.

He was talking about how they were carrying the body bag by hand. I was pointing out that sometimes necessity dictates method.

What's your point again?

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 18:07:55 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:59:37 2019.

I said quote that I have worked in the confines of the 44 for the last 20 years. I didn't say I was a member of that command.
From early 1999 to the present day I work in the confines of the 44 pct.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 18:12:22 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 18:01:32 2019.

The point is your contention that it's not too difficult to move large people

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 18:16:17 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 18:07:55 2019.

Then you and I have very different memories of that precinct. I recall it as always being busy, and when I got to Ogden Ave. around the summer of '97, Tour 3 was always crazy. Nonstop from start to finish. Sometimes all the precinct's cars were on other jobs, and that's just how it was.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 18:17:33 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 18:12:22 2019.

It isn't, if you know how to use your own body's mechanics.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 13 18:27:27 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 11:42:45 2019.

I saw that article too in the NY Daily News. It was an opinion piece by Bo Deitl, an NYPD cop from 1969 to 1985, & not an editorial position of the paper. My take on Bo's piece is that he is understandably rooting for Pantaleo's keeping his job. However,IMO the NYPD will go along with the ME's report & fire Pantaleo.
If Pantaleo keeps his job, put it this way, for the next few days afterwards, lots of NYPD cops will be piling up some serious overtime.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:47:25 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:18:03 2019.

Selling loosies is a CRIME.

Garner was a low life who harassed locals. Thatís why they wanted to take him in, you canít just turn a blind eye to this kind of petty crime.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:48:15 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 13 18:27:27 2019.

I hope he isnít fired.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 13 19:15:32 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:48:15 2019.

Ditto


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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 19:50:49 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 18:17:33 2019.

If they're not resisting

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by AlM on Tue May 14 04:10:09 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:48:15 2019.

Do you actually have reason to believe the medical examiner's finding that a choke hold was used is incorrect?



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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:32:27 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:14:41 2019.

Of course they can, but that didn't happen in this case. The police didn't kill him, he killed himself with his bad health.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:33:11 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:12:00 2019.

Did he put his hands behind his back when he was told to? If he did not, that constitutes resisting arrest.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:35:07 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:32:27 2019.

Why do you continue to dispute the medical examiner's findings, which are a matter of factual legal record?

You have been told many times here, what the cause of Garner's death was.


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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:36:17 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:08:38 2019.

After all, can you think of someone better who would know what he or she is talking about,then someone who was a member of law enforcement? I can't.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:37:26 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:27:04 2019.

So, using your line of thinking, anytime someone who is Black writes an article on a police shooting, they should not be taken seriously because they have and innate bias, correct? Which means that we shouldn't take you seriously because of your bias, correct?

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:38:09 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:33:11 2019.

Refusing to place his hands behind his back, prevented the cops from arresting Garner?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:39:00 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:36:17 2019.

So, I should take Dietl's word for it and ignore my lying eyes?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:40:18 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 13 18:27:27 2019.

The NYPD own Chief surgeon and even the medical examiner stated that he did not die from asphyxiation to the throat, which is why there wasn't any grand jury true bill. He won't get fired for doing his job. And everyone here has to realize that he's not on trial here, this is just a departmental trial, this is like you fucking up at work and you getting called into the boardroom and they either discipline you or they fire you. That's it.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:41:33 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:48:15 2019.

He's not going to be.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:42:06 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:48:15 2019.

They might make him resign though, but he has the time in for a reduced pension.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:42:24 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 04:10:09 2019.

That's not what was said

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:43:39 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:35:07 2019.

I was told by inexperienced laymen who don't know. He was killed because of the position his body was in, combined with his bad health. He was not asphyxiated in his throat. That's why he wasn't charged a grand jury with a true bill.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 04:44:02 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by AlM on Tue May 14 04:10:09 2019.

Yes.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:44:57 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:57:29 2019.

If you really work the streets like you said, you would realize that every single situation is different. That's just common sense. Bottom line is if fat so would have put his hands behind his back and complied, he would have lived for another year or so.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:46:02 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:23:51 2019.

Well, I've personally had to do the fireman's carry up and down numerous flights of stairs

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:47:19 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:37:26 2019.

No, I'm saying that Dietl is known to have a bias. The evidence is overwhelming that in America, there is a gross disparity in the way people of different racial and ethnic groups are treated by the police, even in the most minor circumstances. A Black writer describing a police shooting is also biased, but for different, and legitimate reasons.

Dietl writes about "seatbelt holds" but in his book, he portrays himself as a rough-and-tumble cop who got into all kinds of fisticuffs with bad guys from one end of the city to the other. Yet, in 16 years on the streets of NYC, he never killed anyone while locking them up.

Hmmmm...

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:48:24 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:37:45 2019.

We had Freezer Fresh as well, Mario was the owner of the truck and he got locked up a few years later because he was selling drugs on his route.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 04:48:34 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:33:11 2019.

He slapped the officerís hand away. Thatís physical resistance!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 04:49:21 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:39:00 2019.

Yes.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:50:08 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:40:18 2019.

The Medical Examiner most certainly did time Garner's death a homicide, by compression of the chest and airway. That's the last time I'm gonna repeat that.

DA Donovan, a Staten Island Republican, was not going to prosecute a cop over a Black man in the only borough where he could win an election. So he made sure he wouldn't have to. That's the truth, and you know it

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:50:18 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:18:03 2019.

I've already told you about him a million times. Get that "loosies" narrative out of your head because that's not what they were there for.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:50:42 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:39:00 2019.

I don't think so.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:50:45 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 04:48:34 2019.

I wasn't going to even mention that

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:51:19 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:38:09 2019.

Obviously it didn't, I was just pointing out that it constitutes resisting arrest. I'm not even going to mention all the other shit he was doing on the scene

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:52:05 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:06:47 2019.

I saw lots of gaps in there and if I was the first car I would have made my way through due to my good defensive driving.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:52:09 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 18:47:25 2019.

Selling loosies is C-summons, at the most.

Not the kind of thing for somebody to die over.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:53:11 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 13:34:04 2019.

Actually you're wrong. Cops want to be recorded So when the perps make up the usual lies in court, they have video evidence. Why do you think that these black roofs went from totally supporting police cameras to being against them in the matter of a few years?

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:53:55 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:51:19 2019.

On the video he was arguing.

A little de-escalation by cooler heads would have resulted in everybody, including Garner, coming through it OK.

AGAIN, it was peddling loosies, not murder.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:55:29 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:53:11 2019.

If that's true, how do you explain so many body cams suddenly failing to work the moment something questionable happens?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:57:36 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:47:19 2019.

So a cop writing an article also has legit reasons because they lived and experienced it.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 14 04:57:44 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:47:19 2019.

The fact that he didnít kill anyone shows that heís qualified to talk about legitimate police technique, which should always avoid unnecessary harm.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 14 04:58:49 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 14 04:50:08 2019.

Your own words, chest and Airway. And the airway goes from your mouth to your lungs. Thank you for proving me right!

Oh that's right, this is 1961 Mississippi, I forgot.

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