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Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon May 13 11:30:45 2019

As Pantaleo disciplinary trial begins.

Find it for yourself

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 11:41:47 2019, in response to Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon May 13 11:30:45 2019.

He'll be fired.

NYPD has a long history of bullying and harassing innocent people. Even worse, when you're the victim and they treat you like a suspect.

I never feel bad for NYPD. They need to be policed.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 11:42:45 2019, in response to Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon May 13 11:30:45 2019.

Yep, I saw that. And it was also an interesting article in the daily news today which supports what I've been saying all along. I think the title is the Chokehold That Wasn't. Yes, it's an editorial piece and I understand that

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:13:19 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 11:42:45 2019.

Can you link to that editorial? I get the NYDN e-newspaper every day, and I don't see it. Is it from today?

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Concerned Americans Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:26:23 2019, in response to Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon May 13 11:30:45 2019.

Fixed your shamelessly incendiary subject line.

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Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 13 12:29:56 2019, in response to Concerned Americans Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:26:23 2019.

Fuck you, you putrid smelling sack of shit

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Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 12:35:33 2019, in response to Concerned Americans Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:26:23 2019.

Corrected.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:41:16 2019, in response to Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 12:35:33 2019.

Nice to know you, too, consider people who don't want to be choked to death by the police, "scumbags".

Don't forget, I worked during the time of:

"How many cops does it take to push a perp down a flight of stairs?"

"None. He fell!"

Just like you say you have.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 12:46:00 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:13:19 2019.

Google it yourself if you think he's making it up.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 12:46:43 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:41:16 2019.

You're so very full of shit

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:48:44 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 12:46:43 2019.

You are unlikely to be treated by the police the way Garner was, even if you are a murder suspect, so please STFU.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 12:57:36 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:48:44 2019.

?

They treated one of the Son of Sam victims like a suspect and the guy is white. Cops will do what they want regardless of skin color.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 13:03:51 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:48:44 2019.

I would never ever behave in a manner that would cause the police to treat me with anything other than respect.
Until the day comes that you see that the stuff that goes happens is on a two way street you'll remain a miserable individual.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 13:13:13 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:48:44 2019.

That's because he's unlikely to resist arrest like Garner did.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 13:24:38 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:41:16 2019.

Do they have to go on the highway and disrupt everybody? And we've gone through this before, Fat Albert died because of his bad health. I am glad he's dead! Nothing but a career perp loser who was bound to wind up in the gutter no matter what.

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Re: Morons Block FDR Drive

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon May 13 13:25:19 2019, in response to Concerned Americans Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:26:23 2019.

fixed

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 13:25:33 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:13:19 2019.

Yeeeesss....

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 13 13:27:32 2019, in response to Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 12:35:33 2019.

Thank you

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 13 13:29:44 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 13:25:33 2019.

Bitchslap +100

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 13:33:49 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 12:13:19 2019.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-chokehold-that-wasnt-20190513-yjo2pfbvczbrnj3fzs3cyirkq4-story.html

by: Bo Dietl

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 13:34:04 2019, in response to Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon May 13 11:30:45 2019.

interesting thing is that the cops didn't shoot the person recording and say, "I thought it was a gun".

Seriously, there was a time when cops would not let anyone get away with recording this.

Cops fucking hate shit being recorded.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 13:49:26 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 11:42:45 2019.

True, wasn't a chokehold.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:06:47 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 13 13:24:38 2019.

Nonviolent direct action is sometimes the only thing that gets results.

Not gonna argue the forensics of Garner's death again. You know where I stand on that.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:08:38 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 13:33:49 2019.

Thank you.

It is, however, written by a former NYPD detective...so I'll take it with the obligatory grain of salt.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:10:43 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 13:34:04 2019.

The police seriously made that kid's life a living hell for recording the Garner incident.

He's sitting in prison now for charges that, in light of his history with that video, are highly dubious.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:12:00 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 13:13:13 2019.

If you call that "resisting"...

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:14:41 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 12:57:36 2019.

Perhaps, then, you can explain to me how the cops can somehow take in people who shoot up churches, synagogues, movie theaters, and members of Congress alive, but can't handle one grossly obese minor offender without killing him on the spot?

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Dave on Mon May 13 14:18:57 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:08:38 2019.

Written by someone with extensive experience taking taking down perps so that should count for something.

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Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 14:20:43 2019, in response to Re: Scumbags Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:14:41 2019.

I would lose that argument.

Just don't argue with me about aviation, women, diet and nutrition, or mgtow.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:27:04 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Dave on Mon May 13 14:18:57 2019.

That still doesn't account for his obvious bias.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:37:45 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 13:33:49 2019.

Dear Detective Dietl,

I read your book many years ago. Ever kill anybody doing your so-called "seatbelt hold"? Your biography says no.

Signed,

Skeptical

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 15:51:49 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by Dave on Mon May 13 14:18:57 2019.

THANK YOU!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 15:52:56 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:27:04 2019.

Itís not a bias, itís experience.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 13 15:56:13 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:12:00 2019.

Yes, I do. It meets all the elements.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 16:10:03 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:12:00 2019.

When you don't comply with a directive from an officer you are resisting and you with all your extensive experience in the street on that bus knows that.
So stop playing yourself.

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 13 16:37:01 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 14:37:45 2019.

Lol!!!

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Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 16:38:48 2019, in response to Re: Anarchists Block FDR Drive, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 13 16:37:01 2019.

Hahahahahahaa

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:39:06 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 16:10:03 2019.

Six big cops couldn't handle one--by the PBA's own admission--"sickly", overweight cigarette peddler, without killing him?

I've brought in fit, young, kicking, screaming EDPs with just my partner and one sector car, without killing anybody.

No sale.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 16:44:43 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:39:06 2019.

Bullshit. If I flipped you and your partner would need several hands to bring me in and I'm not the size of that man.
But you answered your bewilderment about when you stated you've brought in young and fit edps
No wonder they didn't die they were young and fit. Unlike Garner. Not old but certainly suffering from ailments.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:57:29 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 16:44:43 2019.

I had an EDP who hurled his mother out their living room window (she was fine, even RMA'd). Just us and one RMP on the scene. Before the boss and ESU had a chance to get there, this lunatic--he was about 20 or so--jumps out and gives us the bum's rush. My partner (who was a big, strong piece of work) and one of the cops tackled him, as the other cop and I grabbed his legs, and we had him under control. We took him to Brookdale then.

It is possible to bring 'em in alive, as I saw thousands of cops and other medics do over the years. They could have done so with Garner, too. There was way too much push going on there.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:02:18 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:39:06 2019.

I agree. They should have gone for his wrists and arms instead of a rear naked choke like it's fucking MMA.

Many cops get their manhood from their gun and badge and measure their self worth based on how much they get away with fucking with people.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:10:04 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:57:29 2019.

Thats quite a story. You must be Lawrence Taylor yourself. But this is apples and oranges. A 20 year old kid vs a 43 year old that was in poor physical condition are not a good comparison.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:16:52 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:02:18 2019.

I don't think I really believe you.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:18:03 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:02:18 2019.

I'm still surprised that Pantaleo went straight to that chokehold when there were five other cops--and one boss--on the scene. I've seen other cops do more with less force. It was all way too much.

There are stories that the 120 CO wanted Garner to "go through the system" instead of being issued a summons the next time somebody complained, but that, if true, just escalated things. Over loosies? Come on. It wouldn't have been the end of the world if the cops just gave Garner his usual ticket. Certainly nothing to get him killed over.

Power, whether as a cop or otherwise, demands care. Otherwise, you get situations like the Garner case.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:23:51 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:10:04 2019.

I was a gym rat back in the day. Remember what EMTs do, carrying people all day long, up out of the subway, down from six- floor walk-ups, out from under machinery. Sometimes, you're doing CPR, too, or bagging and carrying. EMS personnel, male or female, are not people you want to fuck with. Neither are cops, but heavy lifting is not something they are expected to do on every job.

I suggest you rethink your "Lawrence Taylor" snipe.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:26:21 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:23:51 2019.

It's not a snipe it's common knowledge that one person could take up to six or seven to take down

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by rkba on Mon May 13 17:27:55 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 16:57:29 2019.

yes, we know, EMS and NYPD do an excellent job handling EDPs. what's your point?


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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:29:14 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:23:51 2019.

carrying people

this reminds me. The 40 year anniversary of the Carmine Galante hit on Knickerbocker Ave is approaching. Whenever I watch news footage of that incident, I notice the emergency crews are carrying the body bags by hand, not even on wheels. I think to myself that's so crazy and hard on the joints.



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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:33:05 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 13 17:29:14 2019.

I thought you were going to bring up the cigar.

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Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 13 17:35:04 2019, in response to Re: Misguided fools Block FDR Drive, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 13 17:26:21 2019.

Yes, it can, but sometimes you don't have that luxury.

Try calling for an RMP in the 44 at, say, 11:30 on a summer Friday night. They'll get to you maybe by Sunday. You have to work with what you got. Usually that means another EMS crew will come to help you, but that's it.

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