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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Apr 15 16:19:06 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 15 13:57:28 2019. Ever been there?Yes in 1971. Today is a sad day for those that have not. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:28:32 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 12:46:34 2019. Did a little looking into it. Next to none of the original glass is in those windows. In fact, some of the designs were scrambled over the years. I would love to see them redone as best as possible to the original, utilizing the same techniques as had been used then and in most of the previous restorations. Let's hope they choose to lose the few modern (and not so, some glass was changed out in the 19th century to make the nave brighter) glass windows too. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 16:32:26 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 14:01:32 2019. Language?! You're an AMERICAN, you don't need to speak French! Just snap your fingers and say "garçon"! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 16:34:51 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 15 10:03:42 2019. That's not who my co-workers are blaming... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 16:39:14 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:28:32 2019. If that’s the case it’s a little less sad. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:43:08 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 15:49:31 2019. Haven't seen any documentation to that effect. Sorry. The structure was added to in subsequent centuries, and restored several times. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:43:54 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 16:34:51 2019. You don't have co-workers. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:48:17 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 16:39:14 2019. Most of the original glass has long since been lost. I hope they take what little may remain out and keep it preserved. There are artists who know how to do a proper restoration of the glass. That art isn't lost, it just costs plenty. Nice as original may be, after this immense amount of time it shouldn't be out in the environment. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 16:57:18 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 16:39:14 2019. I have seen reports that two of the three main large rose windows are okay for the main part. The third has fallen out. I see differing reports on the rest of the windows.Also, it appears the roof and attic are destroyed. However, amazingly there is a stone ceiling beneath that, which is the visible ceiling of the church inside, and that is intact, or at least mostly. I have seen photos of this fact. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 17:02:20 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 16:43:54 2019. Shush, adults talking. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 17:03:44 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 16:57:18 2019.  
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 17:06:02 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 16:57:18 2019. Those are the vaults. They pretty much survived and there are masons that know how to rebuild them. The interior is surprisingly intact. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 17:06:50 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 17:02:20 2019. Not in the prior post. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 17:10:09 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 17:06:50 2019. Yes. You just sit tight. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 18:00:16 2019, in response to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 15 09:51:08 2019. I hope this 8s only a coincidence, and that this was an accident, based on the renovation, instead of the recent attached is on catholic churches in France.This article is from only a month ago... https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800 |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 18:00:59 2019, in response to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 15 09:51:08 2019. I hope this is only a coincidence, and that this was an accident, based on the renovation, instead of the recent attacks on catholic churches in France.This article is from only a month ago... https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800 |
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Al-Aqsa Mosque Burns At Same Time as Notre Dame |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Mon Apr 15 18:50:35 2019, in response to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 15 09:51:08 2019. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/al-aqsa-mosque-burns-at-same-time-as-notre-dame/ar-BBVYazy?ocid=st |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 19:59:58 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 17:10:09 2019. There is no way I'm going to. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 20:21:08 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 19:59:58 2019. TMI |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 15 21:19:53 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Apr 15 16:19:06 2019. I was there about ten years after you were there. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 15 21:55:55 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 13:48:56 2019. Wikipedia says the vaulted stone roof underneath the wood and lead roof saved much of the interior from falling burning timbers.The article also quotes the Guardian as claiming the north rose window was still intact. That actually seems to be the one of the three that was mostly original glass. Macron also says "The worst has been avoided." Still a massive disaster. I don't expect repairs to be completed in my lifetime. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Apr 15 22:04:37 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 15 13:57:28 2019. This fire is very tragic and saddening... I hope they are able to rebuild and restore as much, or all as possible.I was there summer of '68 - student trip, was in Paris for about month - French govt. paid for 2/3rd's of expenses - cost to students about $850.00 We stayed in a French boarding high school, The Lycee Michelet - a large funky, extensive and rambling, several hundred year old building in Vanves (close to Marie D'Issy station line 12). Visited Notre Dame that summer, took slides inside and out. We walked around the main cathedral inside, unfortunately I don't think my group viewed any of the medieval tapestries, or artifacts. Was there again in 1985 - took more exterior slides of Notre Dame, but didn't not go inside this time. Again, a sad tragedy.... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Apr 15 22:06:33 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Express Rider on Mon Apr 15 22:04:37 2019. And yes, forgot - we climbed the narrow staircase to one of the two front towers, wonderful view of Paris. Like all tourists, I took pictures of the gargoyles. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 15 22:07:56 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 13:48:56 2019. A picture of the interior from the Times. |
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3 Churches in the US burned by terrorist |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 01:20:09 2019, in response to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 15 09:51:08 2019. Three churches in Louisiana |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 16 06:21:02 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 15 13:52:27 2019. CNN quotes the archbishop of Paris as saying that all three of the rose windows are safe. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 16 06:21:05 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 15 14:11:59 2019. IIRC there have been fires in the past, including one in the 1800s.It was in 1871, during the Paris Commune. Notre-Dame was torched but the fire was quickly extinguished. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 06:22:59 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 16 06:21:02 2019. Awesome! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 06:29:23 2019, in response to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 15 09:51:08 2019. Trump tweeted about it, and as usual, made an ass of himself. The French Sécurité Civile had to respond in English:
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 06:33:27 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 16 06:21:05 2019. The Paris Commune was also when the Internationale was written, which later became the national anthem of the RSFSR/USSR until 1944 (with Russian lyrics). It remains the anthem of socialists the world over. I don't doubt Sanders knows how to sing it in English. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Apr 16 06:53:20 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 15 14:34:37 2019. I'm with Spider-Pig. I wouldn't wait for perfection.A few years back, I went over and based in Paris, for 12 days. I spent most or all of a day at the Louvre. I didn't see everything. I saw a lot. It's good enough. Did Notre Dame, Eiffel Tower, Disneyland Paris, a round-trip on the TGV to Bordeaux (though I could have done another trip elsewhere probably as well), and a lot of other stuff (got to see the fireworks at the Eiffel Tower on Bastille Day actually)! No need to speak French, although I think they appreciated that I had good pronunciation for things like the rail station names and other landmarks. Even that's not all that necessary though. I wouldn't necessarily recommend less than a week, but if you can manage to go for a week or two, I wouldn't wait until you can go for a month, or until you master the language. And who knows what may prevent us from traveling at any point in the future? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 07:02:31 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Apr 16 06:53:20 2019. And of course, since our time is limited, if you wait until the perfect vacation, you will end up not going at all.I went to Paris for four days. I don't regret going there for only four days, because my going there for 4 days does not prevent me from ever going there again in the future. I didn't ride the TGV, but I rode the Eurostar. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 07:53:37 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 16 06:21:02 2019. That's great! |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 16 09:06:27 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 15 14:08:54 2019. How touching. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 16 09:10:17 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 16:32:26 2019. For the last time I am asking you to please stop putting those things that look little little 3s or 5s underneath letters such as c, and thanks again. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 09:17:34 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 15 16:32:26 2019. Big difference between you and I.I'm not obnoxious. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 10:37:38 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 09:17:34 2019. I'm not obnoxious.Hahahaha!!!!! Post of the year!!! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 10:59:49 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 10:37:38 2019. You don't know me.Your post, OTOH, is. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 11:15:10 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 10:59:49 2019. And you don't know me, or orgers you spout your lies and accusations to. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 11:15:22 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 10:59:49 2019. And you don't know me, or others you spout your lies and accusations to. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 12:13:47 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 16 11:15:10 2019. My responses to you are based on what you say here. You're a trumper, read your posts if you don't believe me. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 12:37:22 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 12:13:47 2019. That doesn't make him obnoxious. 🤦♀️ |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 13:04:45 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 12:37:22 2019. On top of his posts it surely does. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 16 13:54:39 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 06:33:27 2019. The Paris Commune was also when the Internationale was written.It was sung to the Marseillaise, in the Commune. The current melody did not appear until 1888. I don't doubt Sanders knows how to sing it in English. One of the English versions contains the following: Let no one build walls to divide us, Walls of hatred nor walls of stone. Come greet the dawn and stand beside us, We'll live together or we'll die alone. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 14:25:26 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 16 09:10:17 2019. You told me the last time that you made an exception for me, so I can do it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 14:30:21 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 09:17:34 2019. I'm not obnoxious at all! I'm trying to give you travel pointers! Also, get a MAGA hat and wear it wherever you go, because the rest of the world loves Americans and wants to be us |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 14:36:50 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 06:29:23 2019. Trump's stupid recommendation was quickly rebutted by the French fire experts. He made his similarly stupid ideas about the California fires. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 14:39:46 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 16 09:10:17 2019. What do those things means anyway, a hard c pronounced as s ?I always sucked at languages. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 14:44:16 2019, in response to Re: Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 15 21:55:55 2019. Macron has a 5 year goal.I suspect there will be increased tourist interest, safety, and security at the near duplicate in Old Montreal, though it is only 200 years old. |
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