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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:09:37 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 8 12:52:34 2015. Basic individual Constitutional rights don't absolve people of the consequences when their guns injure or kill other people,Because as we all know, murder is legal. I happen to agree with Bingbong here, gun owners could be charged an ownership tax The Government should also charge a $10,000 tax for every article you write on your blog and other publications. Call it a "veracity tax". Don't worry, you can just pass the costs on to the customer. You'd still have every right to write what you want and they'd still have every right to read it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:09:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:45:19 2015. Elections do not kill people. They do not maim or disable. They do not tax the medical system. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:10:03 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:04:50 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:14:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:57:55 2015. That's not feasible, and too many would evade paying the judgments. Victims deserve compensation. Make them pay upfront. Can't trust them to maintain insurance. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:16:23 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:09:58 2015. Elections do not kill people.Really?    |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:21:44 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:09:58 2015. They are expensive to run because of the need to maintain the systems, hire significant amounts of poll workers, required notices, etc. Let's pay for that cost by charging a fee for people to vote. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:23:45 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:14:34 2015. So because of a few deadbeats we should destroy the Constitutional rights of everyone? Victims of libel deserve compensation. Make them pay upfront. Can't trust them to maintain insurance. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:23:47 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:16:23 2015. Not in and of themselves. The elected, in few cases, do. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:27:07 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:21:44 2015. We pay taxes for that. An individual causing harm to another is different. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 13:27:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:21:44 2015. May I remind you that the Supreme Court had no problem with your suggestion, and Congress and the States had to do the entire machination of a constitutional amendment to prevent it. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:28:32 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:23:45 2015. own3d |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:28:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:10:03 2015. Thanks. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 13:30:03 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 11:10:14 2015. Do you REALLY believe that? The criminal element would just smuggle firearms in from different countries!! The criminal element would STILL have their illegally-obtained guns and the lawful gun owners would STILL get fucked via tariffs and such. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 13:31:33 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 13:30:03 2015. The criminal element would just smuggle firearms in from different countries!!Just like the criminals in Canada smuggle guns in from the US! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:31:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:23:45 2015. Publications DO carry insurance and any victims DO get compensated. Can't say that for the typical gun crazed moron, can ya? Chances are he can't hold down a job, much less act responsibly when it comes to deadly weapons in his possession. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 13:32:04 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 13:30:03 2015. Why are you even asking her. She is totally irrational when it comes to the 2nd ammenent. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:34:28 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 13:30:03 2015. That would be much harder to do than you think. Therefore, yes it would happen, but at a highly reduced rate than what comes up from VA daily.The idea here is to reduce the flow of weapons. Anyone that think it would be eradicated is insane as some of these GCMs. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:35:03 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:31:57 2015. Sorry, not friends with any "gun crazed moron" so I cannot comment. However, I do know plenty of gun owners who are aware of the potential dangers of guns and make sure that anybody who could possibly come into contact with them are aware how to safely operate same. You would take away their rights because of a few crazies. Yet you would be up in arms if I suggested taking away the rights of all Muslims because of a few radicals. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:36:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 13:30:03 2015. Doing nothing is preferable? You in favor of murder without consequence? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 13:36:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:57:55 2015. As already established, gun ownership is an expensive hobby. So legit gun owners are less likely to be judgment-proof than other people. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:37:36 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:36:01 2015. There is a consequence. Criminal and civil penalties. Your alternative is to strip away the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 8 13:40:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 13:32:04 2015. And YOU are?LOL! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:43:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:35:03 2015. You cn't take away rights because of religion in this country. You can regulate gun ownership. You can regulate responsibility for what happens when an innocent person gets shot. Why we do not eludes many.Remember the majority of Americans do NOT own guns. Only about a third do. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:44:42 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 13:36:57 2015. Declare bankruptcy and poof its gone. Unacceptable. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:45:59 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:43:57 2015. You cn't take away rights because of religion in this countrySure you can. Are certain Muslims or Mormons allowed to marry 12 year olds just because their religion allows it? You can regulate gun ownership. It's already overregulated. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 13:55:18 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 8 13:40:34 2015. Yeah, pops! I am. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 13:57:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 13:27:40 2015. Actually, the Supreme Court did have a problem with it. Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:58:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:44:42 2015. Not all judgments get eradicated in Bankruptcy. Criminal fines, penalties and restitution is not able to be discharged. Ditto willful and malicious injury. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:00:26 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:34:28 2015. I can't ever see the criminal element here in the U.S. NOT being able to readily get their hands on firearms. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:00:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:36:01 2015. Doing nothing? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:01:13 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:37:36 2015. Last month or so, a young woman in Nassau County died from an injury caused by a stray bullet. Had that gun not been fired, she'd be alive.(this example is being used because its where you guys mostly live, NYC Metro area). AFAIK, the person responsible has not been found. Do her survivors not deserve compensation? They have hospital and funeral bills thanks o a GCM.That,s why gun buyers should pay onerous taxes up front. Because nobody claims responsibility for deaths like this. They happen every day, somewhere in this country. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 8 14:01:49 2015, in response to Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 7 11:26:34 2015. Maybe its time to repeal the Second Amendment? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:04:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:45:59 2015. You in favor of exploitation of young girls in child marriage? There's reasons for those laws. Doesn't take away from the practice of religion. Just protects kids. We all have an interest in that.When the number of gun accidents and gun related crime diminishes, we'll have hit the knee of effective regulation. Until then, no, there is not nearly enough. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:06:32 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 13:55:18 2015. No you're not. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 14:06:42 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:01:13 2015. And every day people kill people with automobiles and flee the scene of an accident and nobody knows who did it so they cannot get compensated. The driver may or may not have insurance. Once again you are pointing to an extreme case to eradicate the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That I have a serious problem with even if I would never personally own a gun, because if you allow it in this case how do you not limit it in others? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:08:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:00:26 2015. The harder we can make it the better off everyone will be. We're not even trying. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:08:41 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:00:50 2015. Yeah, like we are now. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 14:08:56 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:00:26 2015. What makes criminals in the US so much more brilliant than criminals in Canada? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 14:10:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 14:06:42 2015. Bad argument for why gun owners shouldn't pay onerous taxes. Owners of automobiles do pay onerous taxes. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:10:37 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 14:06:42 2015. Nowhere near the same numbers. Fleeing an accident is also rare, they become news stories as a result.This year there have been more deaths and injuries from guns than on the roads. Tell me why that's beneficial, since you're defending it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:10:56 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:08:19 2015. I truly understand the "spirit" in your proposition, but what you fail to realize, or maybe you do and don't care, is that your proposals just screw the law abiding citizens, NOT the criminal element. Why should a responsible person not be able to affordably own firearms? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:11:33 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 8 14:01:49 2015. Its certainly time to change it, to clarify it. To state for once where the lines are. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:12:08 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:08:41 2015. Well, there's no need to "do anything" because it's the criminals that perpetrate gun violence on the populace, NOT the responsible, law-abiding gun owners. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 14:12:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:58:34 2015. In addition, a bankruptcy filed in bad faith can be dismissed. i.e. a court will not simply let you file bankruptcy just to avoid paying your creditors when you can actually afford to. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 14:13:00 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 13:57:20 2015. Aha. I don't think that totally obviates the weakness of mtk's point, however. A Constitutional Amendment was passed in response to a problem that hadn't been resolved until then. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 14:15:16 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:10:37 2015. Proof that there are more deaths and injuries from guns than deaths and injuries from motor vehicle accidents?I am in favor of making it more difficult from criminals to get guns, not stripping the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens and keeping a loaded gun in the house does not make one a criminal. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:16:32 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:10:56 2015. Because its one less gun to kill maim or harm people. The fewer there are, the fewer get harmed. Its that simple.If someone that really wants a gun has to pay through the teeth, get training and licensed, they will be far more inclined to keep their shit clean, keep the gun unloaded and locked up, and remain vigilant about it in the future than the typical GCM we have today. Right now, its too easy to get, and with that comes negligence. In this case, it costs innocent lives. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 14:20:26 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:16:32 2015. Affordable Care Act has increased coverage for mental health services. You really should look into that. Your paranoia regarding legal gun ownership really requires professional help. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:21:25 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 8 14:12:08 2015. Kids accidentally shot, no repercussions for the gunowner. Happens every day in this country.. Innocent pedestrians gunned down b stray bullets, no repercussions for the gunowner. Happens every day in this country.. Costly ER visits from self inflicted bullets, no repercussions for the gunowner. Happens every day in this country.. Suicides, no repercussions for the gunowner. Happens every day in this country..Then there's the actual crime taking its toll. ADD this to that. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 8 14:22:37 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:09:37 2015. In 1968, the Lindsay Administration had the entire cast and crew of the musical Hair arrested and charged with obscenity. The courts took a dim view of this, and eventually,the play reopened, but my point is, the government has, in the past, acted against speech it felt harmed the public interest.What's happening today with guns, OTOH, is a public health issue, IMO. |
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