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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:17:07 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 11:08:18 2015. So your basis is a study commissioned by an organization committed to confiscating guns. That is about as trustworthy as the NRA putting out a study on the topic. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 11:41:30 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:17:07 2015. You don't have a problem believing them, do ya? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:46:32 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 11:41:30 2015. The way you have worded that is unclear, including a pronoun with an unstated reference ("them"), I will give you the opportunity to rephrase rather than attempting to guess what you are asking me |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:16:35 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:46:32 2015. LOL!!!! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:24:11 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 11:08:18 2015. I haven't read the link. Nor will I. But I can comment on your stupid statement.Loaded unlocked guns are the primary driver for gun "accidents" in the home. It is the primary driver for family members' suicides. It is complete, total negligence.Why are you so concerned with gun "accidents" in the home? It's in someone's home. It doesn't affect you. No one forces you or anyone else* to enter a private home that has a loaded unlocked gun. And what do you have against suicide?????? It's a person's right to choose!!!!! *Except for maybe the minor children in the custody of the home's occupant(s). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:25:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:32:14 2015. It's widely agreedLOL! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:25:53 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 09:55:13 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:26:59 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:36:14 2015. Anything that gets guns out of circulation is fine.LOL! Are you a dictator? We are a national of laws. You can do things that are against the law or enact laws that are against the Constitution. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:28:04 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:24:11 2015. ???Gun accidents in the home are just as much a concern as other injurious or fatal accidents in the home. Are you opposed to the existence of a municipal electrical code? It helps keep people from electrocuting themselves or burning down their homes. Why not just make it voluntary? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:31:33 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:28:04 2015. She talks about HER "right" to be free from gun violence as being violated due to the current gun laws. What happens in others' homes has nothing to do with her made-up pretend right. So I'm questioning that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:34:55 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:46:32 2015. Them being the NRA. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:37:27 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:28:04 2015. Also, preventing structure fires is good for everyone. Fires can spread to other structures and affect people who were otherwise not involved. Also, electrical code protects people from things that they might not know about or be aware of. We don't want people dying in a fire because they didn't know how to properly wire their home or because they used a stupid contractor who doesn't know how to properly wire a home. People who bring guns into their homes know that guns kill. And if the dumb people who don't know how to properly handle a gun bring guns into their homes and shoot and kill themselves or others who knowingly enter their home, then what's the problem? The main problem is when innocent people, like minors or guests who didn't know about the gun are killed. That's bad. But there certainly have to be more pressing issues that kill people that can be resolved without taking away constitutional rights. Like how about distracted driving????? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:37:48 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:24:11 2015. A stray bullet can hit anyone that just happens to be there. It's a risk that needn't exist.Suicide attempts are a call for help. Your response demonstrates a serous need for psychiatric medical attention. Get help. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 9 12:44:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:28:04 2015. Wasn't the idea behind building codes to protect tenants and neighbors rather than owner-occupiers? Vermin, diseases, and fires spread. No matter how diligent I might be, my health is subject to the conscientiousness of the people living around me. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:45:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 9 12:44:19 2015. Building codes apply to single family houses too. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:46:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 12:28:04 2015. No, I am not opposed to a uniform electrical code. It supports safety and reduces risk of injury to the occupants.So why not legislate gun safety mandates for the home? The risk of death from a gun is far greater in this country than being electrocuted. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/upshot/in-other-countries-youre-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-falling-object-as-a-gun.html?rref=upshot You don't have to read it, just let the first graph cycle through. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 9 12:49:22 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 9 12:44:19 2015. ?????? Uhm, no. Single family homes in the middle of no where on large properties are subject to building codes too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 9 12:53:16 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 11:17:07 2015. Where did you see a policy statement, or press release, from VPC saying it was expressly "committed to confiscating guns"?AFAICS, VPC is among the many advocacy groups pushing for more gun control, which does not necessarily mean confiscating all the guns. That said, I agree that any study they commission might very well be biased in their favor, the same way groups like the NRA release studies skewed to support their positions. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 12:54:32 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:34:55 2015. I have problems with any organization presenting as fact a study when the organization commissioning the study has an interest in a particular outcome. That goes for all sides of the discussion. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:57:27 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:37:48 2015. A stray bullet can hit anyone that just happens to be there. It's a risk that needn't exist.I already addressed that. Suicide attempts are a call for help.So then why aren't abortions a call for help? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:59:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 12:46:39 2015. He wasn't asking you. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:59:52 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:06:05 2015. bump |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 13:04:06 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 12:54:32 2015. That's not the answer to the question. To be a bit more direct.....Do you concur with the NRA stance on guns? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 13:20:05 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 13:04:06 2015. That is not a question that lends itself to a black and white answer. I agree to the extent that law abiding citizens should be able to possess certain types of guns without onerous taxes/fees/surcharges (whatever you want to call it). That being said, I also disagree with the NRA in who can possess a gun. Reasonable time, place and manner restrictions are consistent with the Second Amendment and Supreme Court precedent. The NRA believes that any limitation is per se unreasonable so I disagree with that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 13:22:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 9 12:57:27 2015. No you ignored it.Abortion is the help. Should a woman need to make this choice, the action resolves the problem. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 13:24:46 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 9 12:44:19 2015. I'm rebuilding an old house in the middle of nowhere and every step is subject to inspection |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 13:43:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 10:34:15 2015. It's not about doing nothing. Simply put, you're overreacting, and being naïve on the matter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 9 13:46:24 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 10:27:00 2015. How about the opinions of Linda Stasi about the Messianic Jewish victim? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 9 14:20:38 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:35:03 2015. You are speaking of people YOU know.You cannot speak for everyone. I own weapons...know how to handle them..go to the range With my brother who is a NYC Police Detective. I obey the Rules accordingly when it vomes to Safety. But there are those who do Not obey the rules...so we Need those extra measures to make sure They comply. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 14:20:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 13:43:29 2015. No, i'm not overreacting. Every day in this country (statistically) there is a mass murder (gun violence episode involving over 4 people killed) and at least one accidental gun violence death. That's five people a day. It's an unrelenting war. It's long past time to stop it. It's not naivety, this is really happening. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 14:23:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 9 13:46:24 2015. She's one of the few bright spots at a once great newspaper. I don't agree with her on all her columns, but she is spot-on about Trump. He's an another planet, right now. Geez...Ten years ago, Stasi worked for the New York Post. Another good columnist, Michael Goodwin, worked for the Daily News. Both have long since swapped newspapers. Hard to believe, huh? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 14:38:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:35:10 2015. That's in MA. I never paid an annual excise tax on our cars in MO or TX. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 14:43:51 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:22:23 2015. You're confusing state (and colonial) laws and regulations with federal regulations. Your OP said "new government" which I interpreted as meaning the new federal government. States have regulated guns since the early 1800's (starting with Kentucky), not the Federal government. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 14:47:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 9 14:20:38 2015. That can be done without taking away the rights of those who are obeying the rules |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 15:07:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 14:47:29 2015. Well that's just not happening now, is it? If someone that can't pass the minimal background check for a gun at a dealer can go several other routes to get one perfectly legally, then the system failed. And when it fails people DIE.. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 15:08:25 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 14:43:51 2015. There are laws going back to 1788, most requiring documentation of gun owners by municipalities that were passed on the Federal level. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 15:18:12 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 15:08:25 2015. List the laws or post a link, please, showing federal laws or regulation of guns in 1788 (besides the 2nd Amendment) or any federal guns laws in the 19th century. IIRC, Congress passed a law in 1927 banning the mailing of concealable weapons. That was the first federal law regulating guns. The National Firearms Act was passed in 1934. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 15:23:31 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 15:07:01 2015. Exactly why we should close the loopholes for gun shows and the like. That does not take away the rights of law abiding citizens by making it impossibly onerous to own a gun. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 9 15:29:02 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 13:24:46 2015. And they say there's no centralization. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 15:49:07 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 15:08:25 2015. Hahaha. Proof? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 15:51:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:37:01 2015. I didn't post the chart so you'll have to ask R2 that question. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 16:00:45 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:37:01 2015. I'll tell you what, when you ask selkirk about his memes, cartoons and videos, then you get to ask that question. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 16:29:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 15:23:31 2015. What aout innocent victims of gun violence? You think its right that thy should suffer for some GCMs egotrp? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 16:39:18 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 16:29:50 2015. Like the innocent victims of any sort of violence (can be a knife or a brick to the head or attacked by a dog), you can sue. Should we all be required to have brick insurance in case some crazed moron decides to attack someone with a brick and run away? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 9 16:46:08 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:11:33 2015. The Second Amendment was created when the United States was a very different place. It was a new country with a weak national army and its citizens were susceptible to attack by unfriendly nations and Native Americans. Hence, the right to bear arms. I'm not sure private citizens need to have guns anymore. But the NRA and its allies would never allow it to be repealed, so that's that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 17:41:55 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 16:39:18 2015. If one can afford to deal with the costs involved upfront, such as depositions. That runs into a lot of money, and there's only a chance to recover it if one wins. Plus one has to have a bead on who the perpetrator is. Plus if they're in prison for same, there's little chance for recovering anything.That's why we need a means to collect these costs upfront from gun buyers. If anything, that financial hit will make them a little more aware, a little more cautious about what they're doing. If one has to spend a princely sum to get that gun, they're more likely to keep it locked up so nothing happens to it. That's a desired outcome for the public at large. A knife is a bit trickier but not guaranteed fatal. One can dodge a brick's trajectory. Neither is as fatal as a stray bullet striking the aorta, with no notice. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 17:44:47 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 9 16:46:08 2015. It had just as much to do with slave runaways and keeping slaves down than any (at the time) considered legitimate defense need. Plus there was no army. There was only a Navy.It doesn't need to be repealed, but it does need to be clarified, and its real and imagined loopholes closed. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 18:18:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 17:41:55 2015. Let's ask all of the people killed by blitz brick attacks if it is easy to dodge? If you are knifed by a homeless person good luck collecting. Not to mention not every stray bullet kills some one. This is not unique to guns yet you want to trample all over the constitutional rights of law abiding gun owners. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 9 18:33:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 14:10:29 2015. show me the part of the US Constitution that says that "the rights of the people to keep and drive motor vehicles shall not be infringed"? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 18:34:51 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 15:18:12 2015. Google militia act of 1792. Google Georgia gun ban. (!) Google counting guns in early america. |
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