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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 20:08:12 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:08:30 2015. In truth, they did not. Too many people believing the lie that their word is law is what makes it law in a de facto sense; so it's up to the people in that case. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 20:09:11 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:11:44 2015. Correct, per the Mason-Dixon Line. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:13:17 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:07:53 2015. That the County Clerk of a county with thousands of people actually personally signs most documents.That's a very unreasonable assumption in a county with millions of people, but not in a county with thousands of people. Since the average person gets married roughly once per 80 years of life, a county of 10,000 would have 5,000 weddings in 80 years, or only 63 per year. Not too big a work load for a county clerk. (Yes, I know they do other stuff. But still, the clerk of a county of 10,000 or maybe even 25,000 doesn't need an assistant to sign forms and probably doesn't have one.) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:14:17 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 20:08:12 2015. ???Are you saying that the Citizens United decision is NOT the law of the land? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 20:22:19 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:13:17 2015. I don't agree because they do other things. I looked it up and the population of Rowan County was 23,333 in 2010. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:41:21 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:32:50 2015. why don't you go work for the Post Office? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 21:41:27 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:13:17 2015. The county clerk issues marriage licenses (KRS 402.080) and files and records all marriage certificates (KRS 402.220 and 402.230). Military discharges may also be recorded in the county clerk’s office (KRS 422.090). On or before the 10th day of each month, the county clerk reports to the state registrar of vital statistics all marriage licenses issued and all marriage certificates returned (KRS 213.116). Each county clerk must furnish each applicant for a marriage license with a copy of a marriage manual to be prepared and printed by the Human Resources Coordinating Commission of Kentucky (KRS 402.270). |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:43:31 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:14:17 2015. or Hobby Lobby. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:45:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 18:33:03 2015. But I do have to respect her integrity.Would you respect her "integrity" if her God told her that she must refuse to sign marriage licenses to couples who don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 21:48:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:45:25 2015. Yes, he would. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:53:37 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 20:13:17 2015. but not in a county with thousands of people.It IS an unreasonable assumption even in a small county. The Clerk in KY also oversees voter registration, vital records and other stuff like that. It's pretty obvious that she doesn't personally sign all these documents but instead merely has her name printed on them. Document and license issuance stops when she goes on vacation or if she's sick? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 22:14:07 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 21:53:37 2015. Even in a small village clerk's office, there's usually at least two people working there at any time, fully authorized to sign on behalf of the official "Clerk". Counties often have a few more bodies on board. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:17:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 22:14:07 2015. Apparently not in KY, it's done by the clerk himself/herself. See my post where I cited KY law about the responsibilities of the county clerk. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 22:20:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:17:44 2015. The statutes you posted imply no such thing. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:21:34 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 22:20:54 2015. Yes they do. Reread them. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 2 22:24:38 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:07:53 2015. My assumption was the opposite of what you claim. I said others would assume her duties in her absense |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 22:30:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:21:34 2015. At no point does it state that all marriage licenses are to be signed by the clerk herself. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:50:10 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 22:30:40 2015. Are you a lawyer? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:54:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 2 22:24:38 2015. What's ridiculous is that in Kentucky, a couple can get a marriage license in one county and get married in another county. At this point the couples suing the clerk are looking for notoriety because they could have gone to a different county; gotten a marriage license; and then get married in their "home" county. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 23:00:41 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:54:40 2015. Yeah, people who simply want to exercise their constitutional right to get married are doing it in order to gain notoriety.I guess the Freedom Riders or those guys sitting at lunch counters or people getting the shit beat out in Selma were also doing it in order to gain notoriety. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 23:27:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:17:44 2015. Yep ... it's a red state alright. :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 23:33:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 23:00:41 2015. Not only that, but they're taxpayers in the county that's flipping them off. So they have to go to ANOTHER county that owes them nothing just so this person can deny the taxpayers what they're paying her for?Only in Dumbfuckistan. :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 04:03:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:54:40 2015. They're looking to attack people of religious belief. Just say it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 04:44:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 04:03:51 2015. I wonder what people's thoughts might be if the county clerk was NOI and did everything NOI is supposed to be doing. Would you have a problem THEN? What if she was a nazi? Still OK?Religion has NO place in the administration of government. You do what the taxpayers PAY you to do, or get another gig. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 3 06:30:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:54:40 2015. And Davis's counsel could tell her to resign but then they would lose the notoriety. It works both ways. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:03:19 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 23:27:45 2015. What does that have to do with anything? Oh I forgot, you're like Pavlov's dog. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:04:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 2 23:00:41 2015. No one is stopping them from getting married in KY. It would be like the clerk of Suffolk County won't grant a marriage license so the couple goes to Nassau County, gets the license, and then holds the wedding in Suffolk. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:10:47 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:50:10 2015. No answer. Laymen rarely understand statutory interpretation.Robert Stivers, the president of the Kentucky state Senate, has asked a federal judge to withhold his ruling ordering Davis to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples against her religious beliefs. Why? Because he wants to give the state legislature time to pass a law that would exempt her from issuing marriage licenses. If anyone in the Clerk's office other than Davis was authorized to grant the license, the legislature wouldn't need to pass this legislation. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:30:23 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:10:47 2015. Why do you think he's a layman? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 3 08:32:18 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:50:10 2015. Wow, you're not paying attention. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Sep 3 08:56:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:10:47 2015. So you are fine with a law that ensures public officials can descriminate? Bring up Jesus and poof you are obsolved of he duties you swore to uphold? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Sep 3 08:57:46 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:04:59 2015. So why should they pau suffolk taxes? They pay for services, the clerk is a taxpayer funded civil servant. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 09:03:28 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:10:47 2015. Which still doesn't imply that she has to personally hand-sign any papers. Having a deputy or assistant stamp your official signature onto a document is equivalent to signing it yourself in this case. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 09:27:38 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:10:47 2015. And…eight hours in the middle of the night? That's how long it takes you to make a default judgment for your unnecessary and misplaced appeal to authority? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 09:28:19 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:30:23 2015. He waited eight hours. If I were really a lawyer I wouldn't have been asleep. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 09:33:47 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:03:19 2015. Pavlov's dog was smarter. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:04:15 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:50:10 2015. So are you telling me that Jefferson County, KY (pop. 750,000) which includes the large city of Louisville has the county clerk personally signing off on all marriage licenses?That's what you just stated that KY law mandates. Do I need to be a lawyer to find that absurd? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:11:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 07:04:59 2015. I didn't realize that the US Constitution is only valid in some American counties and not others.My bad. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:14:41 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 3 04:03:51 2015. You'd love it in Iran or in the so-called Islamic State. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:20:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:04:15 2015. I never thought of it that way. Good point. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:25:53 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:20:25 2015. thank you. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:30:38 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Sep 3 08:56:51 2015. I guess you've been living under a rock. Every court including SCOTUS said Davis is wrong and she is required to issue the marriage license. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:31:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 09:03:28 2015. Come back and answer the question after you've graduated law school and understand how statutory interpretation works. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:32:08 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:04:15 2015. Show me otherwise. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:33:16 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 3 10:11:54 2015. I guess you've been living under a rock. Why do you think every court including SCOTUS said Davis is required to issue the marriage license? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:34:32 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:30:23 2015. Because he would understand statutory interpretation if he were a lawyer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:35:17 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 2 22:24:38 2015. Until your post, I never even thought of the issue of whether she had to personally sign these documents, but it is obvious from your hypothetical that there is some sort of contingency even if she does personally sign some documents. The only explanation that makes sense is that any of her subordinates approving the documents is the equivalent of her approving them personally, which is why she doesn’t allow it. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 3 10:36:03 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:31:25 2015. LOL. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:39:15 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 22:54:40 2015. Either that or they’re looking to correct an injustice. Why should taxpayers in Rowan County be inconvenienced and forced to travel an inconvenient distance for a marriage license because the clerk they paid for is derelict in her duties?And in any event, the complaining parties here also represent all those who are aggrieved (and thus would have standing to sue) but for whatever reason are unwilling or unable to complain. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 3 10:39:21 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 10:35:17 2015. If that's so, then why doesn't the state law provide for it? Why is the president of the KY Senate asking the court to stay its judgement until the legislature can pass a law exempting Rowan county from requiring the Clerk to sign a marriage license? |
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