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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:45:04 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 16:15:31 2015. Where do you get that she's a homophobic bigot?From his own homophobic bigotry. He thinks that a totalitarian government is necessary to protect gay people from an imaginary theocracy. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:45:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 17:27:03 2015. Is it not possible for anyone to be heterophobic? I think that is a very logical corollary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:47:10 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 10:00:36 2015. Depends on what kind of regime one is supporting. If one supports totalitarianism, then making stuff up is de rigueur. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 18:47:34 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:19:28 2015. That's hypocritical. Are you a member of the Kentucky bar? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:47:43 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dand124 on Sat Sep 5 14:41:08 2015. pwn3d. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:03:36 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 18:47:34 2015. Stop confusing the issue with facts. Don't you know Justice bingbong knows more law than anyone here? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:05:18 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 18:15:43 2015. Nah, I just don't find making shit up when discussing a serious topic particularly humorous. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:08:17 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:17:13 2015. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:25:50 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:45:04 2015. There is *nothing* "imaginary" about an intended theocracy in the United States. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:26:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 18:47:34 2015. No. He's claiming to be some sort of expert. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:27:42 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:03:36 2015. STFU and answer the question. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:28:32 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:08:17 2015. Hardly. Obviously you have no concept of journalism. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 19:43:04 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 5 18:45:04 2015. When an agent of the state imposes her religious beliefs on the people, that is called theocracy. We fought the Revolution to get away from being governed by a theocratic monarchy, among other things.Elected officials may NOT impose any religious test as a condition of performing their sworn duties. When such an official specifically refuses to do her job because of a court ruling clarifying the right of gay and lesbian Americans to marry, that's homophobia, no matter how she tries to cloak it in the veil of religious fervor. It's also patently illegal. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 5 19:53:48 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:27:42 2015. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Sep 5 20:17:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Sep 4 21:20:08 2015. Honestly, I only thought that was worth a +1,327,457. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:27:09 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 18:22:40 2015. Bullshit. Everything to you is about yourself and you sexual preference. And one can be against same sex marriage and not be homophobic. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:32:31 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 13:50:34 2015. Except they would sign it in her name which is the same as her signing it. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 21:39:49 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:28:32 2015. The NY Times covered two of the three. Are they not MSM? lulz |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 5 21:40:09 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:27:09 2015. Then why doesn't Davis just resign? Then she can publicly protest same sex marriage to her heart's content. The fact that she will neither quit, nor comply with a court order in a case to which she is a party, strongly suggests she has a problem with gays and lesbians, and their right to marry those they love. It's not principled opposition, it's hatred dressed up as faith. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 21:51:06 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:27:09 2015. Not anymore. Opposition to same-sex marriage now falls under the general umbrella of "homophobia." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 21:52:12 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:32:31 2015. Which is also what I've been saying. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 21:52:12 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:27:42 2015. What's the question? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Sep 5 22:38:57 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 5 21:51:06 2015. If you don't agree with the ridiculous premise that everyone who isn't a white, heterosexual, Chrisrian male is a "victim" you are considered sexist, homophobic, etc. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 5 22:49:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:03:36 2015. lol |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 5 22:51:21 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:27:09 2015. Iawtlp |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 22:54:17 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 19:27:42 2015. "KRS Section 402.080 provides the proper venue for the issuance of a marriage license. That statute states:'No marriage shall be solemnized without a license therefor. The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk.' Thus, the two choices of venue are either the county of residence of the female, or another county in which the female makes an application." Brush up on your Google skills and you'll find where this came from. I await your apology. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 23:41:24 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 19:05:18 2015. And yet you post stuff from Faux News, the Daily Wail and Sun Myung Moon's newspaper. And that this topic is serious is its own joke. And if you weren't so rude about it, I might have offered some input. This thing isn't as serious as you and a few others insist it is though, just needed to point that out.I remember when OT was fun every now and then. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 5 23:58:50 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:19:28 2015. Klutz. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 6 00:04:02 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 5 18:17:13 2015. Klutz. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Sun Sep 6 00:33:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Sat Sep 5 17:15:46 2015. Who's issuing them on the other 145 days?That includes 52 Saturdays 52 Sundays and 10 holidays when government offices are closed. I don't thing the clerks actually do need to sign off but it wouldn't by physically impossible. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 6 01:06:29 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:32:31 2015. So they're committing forgery. Government forgery. Fascinating. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 6 01:07:10 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 22:54:17 2015. I await your apologyYou'll have to find a parallel universe bingbong for that. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 6 01:27:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 6 01:06:29 2015. So when I get a tax refund check with a facsimile signature of the Secretary of the Treasury, I'm not allowed to cash it? |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 08:25:45 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 6 01:07:10 2015. Well said. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 08:27:16 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 5 23:41:24 2015. What don't you find serious about important constitutional law issues? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 6 08:53:32 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 08:27:16 2015. What important constitutional law issue is there here?Unlike Olog, most of the rest of us accept that once the Supreme Court rules, it is the law of the land. (Though if they rule just on a legislative issue, the legislature in question can overrule the decision by passing new legislation.) The Court ruled. Obergefell is as much the law of the land as Citizens United. So public officials in charge of making marriages happen are expected to make gay marriages happen too. The Supreme Court made that clear by declining to hear Davis's appeal for an exemption. Yes, there is a Kentucky state law issue as to whether a deputy clerk can issue a marriage license against the wishes of the County Clerk. If they could, the judge could release Davis from jail and the deputies could just issue licenses. It's an interesting issue, but it sure isn't very important. (One could argue that Kentucky as a whole isn't very important.) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:25:06 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dand124 on Sun Sep 6 00:33:44 2015. so somebody filling an elective office in Louisville and surrounding area and who is personally responsible for overseeing complex legal and administrative matters such as elections, death, births, marriages and so on and has to make difficult decisions all day, attend many meeting with staff, peers, other elected officials, plus other responsibilities that would include travel, etc will somehow spend his/her entire workdays signing people's marriage licenses?Does that make any sense to you? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:26:53 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 16:15:31 2015. She is a religious woman who is sticking to her principles, so much so that she's willing to go to jail for it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:28:36 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 5 21:27:09 2015. And one can be against same sex marriage and not be homophobic.Is that like being against interracial marriages and not be racist? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:30:47 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 08:27:16 2015. What don't you find serious about important constitutional law issues?It's settled law. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 10:28:02 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:30:47 2015. Yes it is. But any challenge of this type is a serious constitutional issue, especially post-Hobby Lobby. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 6 11:18:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 10:28:02 2015. But any challenge of this type is a serious constitutional issue, especially post-Hobby Lobby.Not according to the Supreme Court, which has declined to review Ms. Davis's case. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Sep 6 12:13:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 6 11:18:54 2015. They declined to review the stay request which is much different than reviewing her whole lawsuit. Her underlying lawsuit continues |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 6 12:20:30 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Sep 6 12:13:13 2015. Aha. OK. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Sep 6 12:53:55 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 21:39:49 2015. Funny, that's where I saw all three. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 13:45:02 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 22:54:17 2015. Bump. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 6 14:52:34 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sat Sep 5 21:39:49 2015. klutz. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 16:41:15 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Sun Sep 6 08:27:16 2015. It took Hillary off the front burner! :)I don't see it as any sort of Constitutional anything. It's plain and simple dereliction of duty. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 16:43:14 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:25:06 2015. I wonder what her stance would be on filing deeds and construction permits for gay homeowners? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 16:43:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 6 09:26:53 2015. Wow. Jail hasn't been kind to her already. She needs a shave. :) |
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