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Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 03:56:37 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 29 03:49:00 2015. Not any more when you're competing with Comcast/NBC Weather Channel who provides silly names for storms. It's really kind of sad that fear and hype is the only thing that gets ratings anymore. Everything is the end of the world or folks just won't tune in.And yeah, got that. Not anymore. Journalistic integrity has been dead for a long time now. Some still can't smell that smell. :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 29 04:33:12 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 03:41:11 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 29 07:16:38 2015, in response to Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 28 09:26:25 2015. Now it appears there was effectively an admission of overreacting with the storm in shutting the system. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 07:57:05 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 03:41:11 2015. So 142 miles from NYC they do everything so much better than they do down here.The people are friendlier. The weathermen are more accurate. The cars go faster. The restaurants have better menus. The laundry gets cleaner. The ladies have bigger tits. Well fuck it then. I'm moving up there, neighbor. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 08:13:01 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 29 07:16:38 2015. The shutting down of the transit infrastructure was a costly event. I've seen estimates of it's effect on the area economy of $200 million for the 12 hour shutdown. There are so many facets to this issue that looking at one or two and deciding that it was a good move or bad move make equally little sense. My feeling is that you have a structure in place where each line has a management team and those teams should have made the calls for their individual line while coordinating with the Rail Control Center and Senior management. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jan 29 08:53:17 2015, in response to Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 28 09:26:25 2015. When the weather forecasters are all predicting something that bad, you have to over-react. What happens when you do not over-react? See December 2010, just after Christmas, when the transit system was paralyzed afterward because many buses were stuck...and often in places that prevented snow plows from plowing streets. The sanitation union got blamed by many out-of-towners, but they real fault was with the MTA. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:07:50 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 08:13:01 2015. That's how it should be. Some lines obviously can run better than others, and the ones that can should not be shut down.Even if they did get 24 inches in the city, it still wouldn't have been call to shut down the entire subway system. The LIRR, etc ran through major snowstorms way back when, and that was with old technology no less. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 29 09:10:55 2015, in response to Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 28 09:26:25 2015. Do you really think that the mayor and governor were wrong to prepare for the worst case scenario?No. They did the right thing. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 29 09:17:39 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 15:58:55 2015. Great post AMoreira81. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:23:20 2015, in response to Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 28 09:26:25 2015. Certainly don't fault the gov't for preparing for worst case scenario it is what was broadcasted. All it takes is for the storm system to shift a little one way or the other and its a difference between 3 inches or 3 of of snow. Boston got what we were supposed to get. We got lucky more than the weather folk and politicians being wrong. Closing the subways was a bit much but after 2012 with the A train stuck on the flats for 12 hrs and multiple may buses stuck in the snow no politicians gonna be the one to make THAT mistake again... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:26:22 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 29 09:10:55 2015. I don't believe they did. I understand the premise, but to shut down the entire system? There's no reason most of the underground lines couldn't run. Of course, normal service won't work, and the lines in cuts will have issues, but the underground lines, and even the elevated lines to an extent.I think the whole thing was a cover your ass thing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:30:37 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:23:20 2015. THAT is the point. Being prepared is one thing. Shutting down the entire system is another. Why not just shot down "the A Train", or the Brighton line, or other lines that are known problems in storms like this. But why wasn't the E train running for example. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:33:49 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:23:20 2015. THAT is the point. Being prepared is one thing. Shutting down the entire system is another. Why not just shot down "the A Train", or the Brighton line, or other lines that are known problems in storms like this. But why wasn't the E train running for example. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 29 09:36:05 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 28 10:31:58 2015. Thanks for politely changing "shouted" to "cried." I just couldn't remember for the life of me the verb in that common expression.I imagine the little boy screamed when the wolf actually got around to eating him. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:36:51 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:30:37 2015. I agree. The underground portions could have definitely ran. A lot of the above ground rail lines could have also ran besides probably the outdoor trench lines, at grade and viaduct bridges. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:41:14 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:36:51 2015. Unfortunately these politicians are highly reactionary. I'm sure when the decision was made that blizzard from a couple yrs ago (and the pr beating Bloomburg took) was on their mind and unfortunately this has set a bad precedent wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a regular occurrence now with these blizzards. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:42:33 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Jan 29 09:41:14 2015. That's exactly what the issue was, and it went from one extreme to the other now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 29 09:45:07 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 29 09:17:39 2015. You stole my idea. Give credit! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 13:47:56 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 07:57:05 2015. Yeah, we can even put up with you. And yeah, you definitely are repping for the reasons why that all is. And after some attitude adjustment, you'd probably like it too. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 29 13:56:58 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 29 09:33:49 2015. Why not just shot down "the A Train", or the Brighton line, or other lines that are known problems in storms like this.I suspect that closing the subway down was the swift kick in the ass to questionable employers to let their employees go home early and stay out of the terrible weather conditions that were being predicted. Even for those who drive, the fact that the subway closed reinforced what was supposed to be the terrible nature of the storm. Some of us work for stupid employers that magically expect us to show up in terrible weather, so something like that was necessary to excuse ourselves from receiving a demerit for not showing up or showing up late... |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jan 29 14:08:47 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 03:41:11 2015. I understand that some are pissed off about me constantly comparing the way we do things up here as compared to down there, but at least our locals say "The models say ..." and then follow up by showing us several on air and then say "we'll get what we get, but here's what it's looking like right now."Selkirk: I appreciate what you're saying but you have to understand that up where you live snow is a way or life. Down here in the lower 48 its akin to the Ringling Brothers circus making an unexpected visit. We think that two feet of snow is a major event, you refer to it as "flurries". Also we are ill served by our media who are in a competition with each other to create the most excitement. I for one am sick and tied of hearing ever forecast of snow transformed into the coming of the next ice age. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 14:16:18 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 13:47:56 2015. You want to try to adjusty attitude, Flintstone? Planning to use your Louisville Slugger again?. Maybe its not my attitude but your asshole behavior. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 14:20:52 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 14:16:18 2015. Nah. It's you. Remember Big Chris? He moved only 1/3 of the way up here and check out how he mellowed out. You? You'd probably require federal assistance being such a big project and all, but still doable. Once Prince Andrew is done with his bridge down there, we'll take you on. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 14:22:20 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Jan 29 14:08:47 2015. Exactly. In every way.Although the media there is more like P T Barnum, sans tent. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 17:09:08 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 14:20:52 2015. Mellow? Really? So tell me how mellow you became that you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat. Are we talking that sort of mellow? I'm really curious about your definition of "mellow", Flintstone. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:21:39 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 17:09:08 2015. Heh. That's called "upstate justice." We don't need machine guns up here. It's called taking care of assholes so they stop. You guys down there have attorneys. Up here, you take your beating and behave. Lets us leave our doors unlocked at night and ADT does shit for business here. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:31:36 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:21:39 2015. But, but, but bingbong said it never h as ppened. We don't understand. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:34:13 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:21:39 2015. But, but, but bingbong said it never happened. We don't understand. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:46:14 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:31:36 2015. Maybe she just doesn't want to talk about it? Sorta like you and the duct tape? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:46:33 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:34:13 2015. You and understanding. LOL |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:49:40 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:46:14 2015. Yup because that didn't happen either. Much like your story about rhe TA offering you your job back. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:51:05 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:46:33 2015. So either you lied or she did. Much like her being shot at. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:57:13 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:51:05 2015. Or maybe we just don't care what you think? Nah. You're the center of the universe and your demands MUST be met. LOL |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 20:02:16 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 19:57:13 2015. Don't care? Face it,Flintstone. I'm your drug of choice. I'm the first one you respond to. Just get your stories straight. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 20:05:56 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 20:02:16 2015. Heh. Actually, if you weren't so full of yourself, you'd notice that I go for the turtle first. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 20:08:54 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 29 20:05:56 2015. Given your propensity for anti-Semitism, it must be a rough choice |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 30 01:00:11 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 20:08:54 2015. Not my fault that two, and ONLY two Jews are full of themselves and have this incessant need to lash out. NORMAL people don't, especially the rest of the Jews here. So why is that then that *I* am an anti-dentite? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 30 02:10:41 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 29 19:49:40 2015. Six different people, most of whom didn't know one another. You've become 76th Street, yo. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jan 30 08:37:17 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 30 01:00:11 2015. You're an antisemite for many reasons, one of them being that you can't deal with being shown to be wrong (as you often are) so you bring up the religion of two of the MANY people who often show you to be wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 30 08:54:37 2015, in response to Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 28 09:26:25 2015. I think the final answer (and many have already posted it) is:The governor should not have made the decision (and he made it, not the MTA). Flawed as MTA management can be, they should have decided, on their own, with the best information they had, what transit services to provide and which to limit or shut down. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 30 09:08:27 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jan 30 08:37:17 2015. Well put |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 30 13:36:37 2015, in response to Re: Did the Mayor & Governor Over-react To The Blizzard Forecast?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 30 09:08:27 2015. Thanks for the proff guys, we'll call that a wrap. |
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