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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:44 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 6 06:56:49 2014. You read it. Are you saying you don't count as a person? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:47 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 08:02:25 2014. So? I wasn't even talking to you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:50 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 6 10:02:02 2014. Thank you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:52 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Oct 6 12:53:13 2014. That goes without saying. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:54 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 10:34:41 2014. So did I, my point still stands.I debunked your point and you haven't bothered to provide any more evidence, so no. Your point was demolished and the pieces sold for scrap. The space where your point once stood is now a Wegmans. He's a disrespectful asshole who doesn't understand how offensive and socially inappropriate his posts are. As I've demonstrated, you consider any disagreement with your poorly thought out beliefs to be inherently disrespectful. You haven't managed to show otherwise so presumably you agree. So it's settled— we agree that you're a socially maladjusted freak who spouts lunacy and then throws a tantrum when people don't believe it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:57 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Oct 6 10:36:06 2014. You compulsively read everything I say and then compulsively announce that you don't like it. Even if it has nothing to do with you.One of us may have OCD, but I'm not that one. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:00 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Oct 6 07:49:31 2014. If you really didn't care about any religions, you wouldn't take the time to mock them.Bullshit. This country is run by religious people who vote and govern according to their crazy beliefs. Science funding, science education, and science literacy is suffering nationwide because people think a magic sky man told them the world is 6,000 years old. One in three women will be raped because people believe God declared them chattel for men to use rather than people in their own right. Global warming threatens our continued survival and people are ignoring the warnings because they believe only a magic sky man can change the climate and he said he wouldn't. People are poisoned by environmental damage ignored and tolerated because idiots believe a magic sky man gave humans dominion over the Earth and will clean up their messes. Wars are fought and people are killed every day in the name of this magic sky man and his alleged dictates. And all across the world, people facing injustice of all sorts are lulled into apathy by the promise that everything will be made right as soon as they die. Claiming: "If you really didn't care what I believed, you wouldn't complain that I'm poisoning you because of my beliefs" is disingenuous and absurd. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:03 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Oct 6 07:51:07 2014. Well yes. The idea that "immoral act" is interchangeable with "annoying a god" is pernicious and damaging in a great many ways.Fundamentally, religious people believe there's no such thing as morality— anything goes, might makes right, but God is the mightiest so his word is law. Of course, God doesn't actually exist so this means in practice that the most powerful human's word is law— plenty of people spent plenty of centuries under absolute monarchs with "divine right" to rule from England to China, and even in ostensible democracies the remnants of autocracy linger in the form of power afforded by inherited wealth. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:26 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 08:23:12 2014. And what is a sin then, oh Mighty All Knowing Turtle? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:40 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 07:58:45 2014. You may have said it, but you've never even tried to prove it.Thus confirming my previous assessment that you are unable to understand logic and evidence and it would be a waste of my time to provide it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:43 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 08:00:19 2014. So now you get to decide what it means to be Jewish?You get more narcissistic with every post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:45 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 08:04:41 2014. WRONG! That proves you don't even know about your own religion!!!Oh do try to follow along, would you? The whole point of this exchange is that I don't have any religion! Judiasm is particularly open to questions and anything that contradicts it!!!! OK, so why do you believe in God? And why do you refuse to type the word "god" correctly? Those are questions. Are you open to them? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:50 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 6 08:21:37 2014. Oh, bad luck Terrapin, I'm afraid the quadratic formula exploded and so you lose &¢#Q number points. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:53 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 10:35:19 2014. In what way? Or is this just some reflexive thing you do?I am so using you in my sociology class. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:57 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by GaMeRa on Mon Oct 6 08:51:33 2014. Then where do the presents come from, schmott guy? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:16 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 6 15:56:12 2014. That's the problem. Judaism isn't defined by strict allegiance to arbitrary traditions. That's just a mental glitch— we're all hardwired to assume that the way our parents did things when we were kids is The Way Things Are Done and continue to do them lifelong.Being Jewish is just who/what you are, and that won't change simply because you realise that bacon cheeseburgers are delicious. Why assume that you can say God doesn't exist and still be Jewish but you spontaneously lose your cultural background the minute you point out that a few rituals are annoying and silly? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:18 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 10:32:39 2014. ... you answered Yom Kippur because your family has a special cheeseburger recipe that you prepare to eat that day...Thus proving once again that you never actually understood anything I said. I may have made some comments about that which I don't feel the need to repeat. Judaism casts a wide net in terms of what is considered legitimate practice, but it doesn't cover everything. You fall outside those boundaries, and the fact you feel a need to come here and flaunt it is disrespectful and disgusting. And now you have stated openly what you have always implied— you're not upset because I'm "mocking" or "disrespectful," you're upset because you believe that you are entitled to dictate every aspect of everyone's life and you hate the fact that I have my own beliefs and preferences. Everyone on the planet must do everything the way WMATA does it— not exactly; some slight variation is allowed, but I fall outside that boundary and you believe that it's inherently "disrespectful" and "disgusting" that I don't celebrate holidays the way WMATA does or in a way similar enough that WMATA deems it acceptable. You are a self-centered narcissistic pompous ass and you would be well advised to shut up until you're mature enough to respect other people's opinions and preferences. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:22 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 13:04:34 2014. So you're saying you don't believe Israel is the Jewish homeland after all? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:24 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 6 10:38:17 2014. Wait what?You changed your beliefs to conform to your practices? That's totally backwards! You start by figuring out what's true and what isn't and then use that to guide your actions— the reverse is like saying: "I was told that suicide bombing is a trend, so I'm going to start believing I'm immortal so that I can be a suicide bomber without dying." |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:26 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 6 12:34:26 2014. Fantastic country. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:30 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 6 12:18:14 2014. I mentioned my Yom Kippur tradition. Mitch implied that my tradition was invalid because it wasn't his tradition. I commented on the foolishness of assuming that everyone must follow your traditions because they believe a magic sky man handed them down.What do my writings have to do with that? Are you incapable of understanding the difference between fiction and reality? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:33 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 6 13:25:41 2014. OK you'll have to explain that because it makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that I eat on Yom Kippur proves that I'm an antisemite and that everyone else who eats on Yom Kippur is not an antisemite? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:25:06 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:30 2014. What do my writings have to do with that? Are you incapable of understanding the difference between fiction and reality?RIPTA is Jewish - - you claim to be Jewish. There is a difference which everyone else is telling that you don't comprehend on following the Torah. You cannot claim to be Jewish if you are not following the holiest day of the Judaism calendar. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:26:51 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:18 2014. You are a self-centered narcissistic pompous ass and you would be well advised to shut up until you're mature enough to respect other people's opinions and preferences..Have you ever used a bar of soap. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:29:53 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 6 02:39:38 2014. +1,000,000To each their own - - whatever they do is their business - - too bad Nit-let disrespects people who follow Judaism while he doesn't. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:33:09 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:40 2014. Thus confirming my previous assessment that you are unable to understand logic and evidence and it would be a waste of my time to provide it. Spock needs to put the Vulcan grip on you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 22:46:56 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:25:06 2014. RIPTA is Jewish - - you claim to be Jewish.Am. No "claim" about it. There is a difference which everyone else is telling that you don't comprehend on following the Torah. I don't follow the Torah. Or any other holy book. You cannot claim to be Jewish if you are not following the holiest day of the Judaism calendar. Incorrect. Judaism is an ethnicity— an ancestry and a cultural background, none of which is contingent on mindlessly doing a bunch of pointless things simply because a bunch of prescientific ancestors thought they'd be a good idea for reasons we'll probably never know. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 22:46:58 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:26:51 2014. Your statement is unrelated to the line quoted. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 22:47:01 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:29:53 2014. Sorry, I was just blindsided by pure irony."To each their own. Everyone can do things their own way. Too bad Nilet is disrespecting me by not doing things my way because everyone has to do everything exactly the way I say they must and any deviation from my dictates is offensive." |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 22:47:03 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:33:09 2014. Ah that's you in a nutshell isn't it— "I'm offended by the fact that Nilet is right, so I want to see violence against him. Because if he's not able to say I'm wrong, I might be able to forget that I am." |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:22:12 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:52:22 2014. WTF? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:24:11 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:50:54 2014. You can post this bullshit as much as you want but it doesn't make it true. My posts and actions stand for themselves and show how I deal with people with whom I disagree. You get different treatment because you don't just disagree, you disrespect. When you grow up and understand how inappropriate your behavior is, we can have a serious conversation. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:26:15 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:53 2014. Wakefield explained it here and it went right over your head. You're hopeless. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 23:40:38 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:22:12 2014. You implied here that not all Jews are eligible to go to Israel. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 23:40:40 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:24:11 2014. My posts and actions stand for themselves and show how I deal with people with whom I disagree.Yes— by throwing a tantrum and shrieking that the person who disagreed with you is "disrespectful" for expressing beliefs you disagree with, even if it has nothing to do with you. When you grow up and understand how inappropriate your behavior is, we can have a serious conversation. Until then, please do shut up. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 23:40:51 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:26:15 2014. You apparently missed my response.And your irony meter is broken beyond repair. I hope it's under warranty because you really need to send away for a new one. I described what I was doing to celebrate a holiday, whereupon you jumped in and shouted: "That is different from what I am doing! It is disgusting and disrespectful that you would do something different from me!" Then Wakefield won a million irony points by saying without the slightest hint of self-awareness: "Nilet needs to learn that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and stop having his own opinion because my opinion is the only legitimate one and failing to share it is disrespectful." |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:46:33 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 23:40:38 2014. The donors who fund Taglit Birthright have the right to decide who is eligible for their program, using whatever criteria they would like. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:49:08 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 23:40:51 2014. It is extremely odd that you would "celebrate" a holiday that is devoted to atoning for your sins and fasting by declaring you have nothing to atone for. If you can't understand why that pisses people off, you have a lot to learn. |
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Posted by Gamera on Mon Oct 6 23:57:25 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:49:08 2014. Oh he understands very well what pisses people offEverything he says on here is designed to do just that |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 7 00:47:46 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Gamera on Mon Oct 6 23:57:25 2014. See there's the narcissism/autism/lack of a theory of mind again— you are not capable of understanding that I do things for my own reasons, so you assume that if you don't like what I say, I must have said it for the purpose of annoying you and for no other reason.Whichever Gamera has the theory of mind, can I talk to him please? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 7 00:50:49 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:49:08 2014. It is extremely odd that you would "celebrate" a holiday that is devoted to atoning for your sins and fasting by declaring you have nothing to atone for.On the contrary— it's not odd at all. Religion invents the concept of "sin" to trap people into servitude, keeping them the downtrodden slaves of an imaginary god and the very real tyrants who claim to act in his name. Breaking free of religion means more than just being able to party on Saturdays without having to wait for the sun to set— it means being free to see and learn, to appreciate the universe, and to call out injustice because no one else will. Taking a holiday religion invented as a day to debase yourself in the name of your imaginary owner and using it to celebrate freedom from that tyrant is hardly odd— using the vestiges of an oppressor to celebrate the end of that oppressor is common practice— just ask anyone who has reclaimed a former slur. Furthermore, while your, erm, mental handicap on the subject of religion probably prevents you from seeing the big picture, there's more to it than that. Judaism may be relatively laid back on the whole notion of "sin" but Christianity abuses the concept with a vengeance— in Christianity, sin is a chain used to control people. God demands the impossible, your failure to deliver it is a "sin" and for this "sin" you must live your life in constant guilt, debasing yourself before the masters and kings and tyrants and popes who claim that God demands it. While I have never been Christian myself, I live in a country heavily influenced by Christianity and its toxic notion of sin, giving me a much greater reason to celebrate my freedom from the guilt trap of religion. A former Christian would probably celebrate Christian atonement holidays in this fashion, and I'd love to see an "It Is Now Lent" post from an ex-Christian. However, I'm Jewish and I've pretty much always been an atheist— the former means Yom Kippur is "my" cultural holiday and the latter means all religions seem pretty much interchangeable anyway so there's no reason not to swap one for another. As such, I use Yom Kippur to celebrate my freedom from the trap of religion in general and as a stand-in for Lent to celebrate my freedom from the trap of Christianity that most of my country is stuck in. If you can't understand why that pisses people off, you have a lot to learn. I understand exactly why it pisses people off and have stated as much explicitly. Unfortunately, you have a lot to learn if you want to understand it— thus far, you couldn't even read that post before your religion considered it a threat and shut down your mind to prevent you from understanding it. Unaware that this had even happened, you simply assumed that if you didn't believe what I said, it must have been because you were offended and so you commenced another tantrum to shriek about how offensive it was that I don't do everything you do exactly the way you think it should be done. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 7 00:51:00 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 6 23:46:33 2014. Indeed. If the donors who fund Taglit Birthright believe that only some Jews are eligible, that is indeed their prerogative.I'm already ineligible on account of my age— it doesn't really matter to me if they think I'm the wrong kind of Jew or not a real Jew or whatever. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:31:35 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 22:46:56 2014. Am. No "claim" about it.That's odd because IIRC we discussed this and it turned out you weren't actually Jewish. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:34:39 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:26 2014. As they say, "I can't define it, but I know what it is when I see it." For example, mocking someone else's peace-loving socially-responsible mankind-bettering baby-seal-protecting religion is a SIN.So DAMN YOU. DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:36:14 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 7 00:51:00 2014. Haha you missed out! LOSER!!!! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Oct 7 08:36:24 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 6 22:25:06 2014. You cannot claim to be Jewish if you are not following the holiest day of the Judaism calendar.Sure you can. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:36:56 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:50 2014. Nope. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:40:13 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:40 2014. I don't need to prove it. You made the claim about what you think someone said. It's up to you to prove it at fact. Never mind that you CAN'T, as it's only an opinion and thus it can't become fact if you're claiming a meaning other than the literal meaning. And even if you were trying to "prove" he meant the literal meaning, you can't do that either since he may have meant some other meaning. So I'm right and you're wrong. He and I and et. al. didn't say what you claim we said. We said what WE claim we said. You don't seem to understand this. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 7 08:41:06 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 6 21:51:43 2014. No, not me, moron. If you were actually Jewish AND you knew anything about Judaism, you'd know that that's NOT how it works. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 7 08:44:32 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Yom Kippur, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 6 02:39:38 2014. yet wasn't "celebrating" by doing suchThat has been pointed out to him about 20 times. |
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