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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 18:12:26 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 17:47:32 2020. Yup. When the TA finally did get with the program I was shicked and relieved. Shocked that one could finally expect functioning a/c on a TA/OA bus, and relieved because it started with the ABDs, and there was no way much air was getting through those small openings on the Grumman 870s. Not to mention the '81 RTS which originally had no opening windows. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 18:44:10 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 18:12:26 2020. I saw a ton of the 870s on Jewel Ave The privates were 8 cyl, and didn't suffer the fate of the TA buses. They ran in NYC for a long time. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed May 27 19:40:37 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 00:25:25 2020. The Fifth Avenue Coach A?C Fishbowls were the fiest ten, numbered 1-10. in April, 1960 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 21:18:29 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by B53RICH on Wed May 27 17:05:49 2020. Hmmm! I don't know. You may be right. Admittedly, I recall seeing photos of some of the non-a/c buses while still owned by FACCo, and reading here some time ago that OA kept the original numbers. Perhaps it was only 3101-3210 that kept their FACCo numbers. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 21:19:07 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by northshore on Wed May 27 19:40:37 2020. Ah! Thanks for the correction |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 21:25:32 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 18:44:10 2020. Yup! I loved those buses as they were quite fast with the DD 8V71 engines. I used to often ride them on the QBx1 which was always a treat. That (The PBLs continuing to operate the 870s) was just another example that NYCTA was full of crap in calling them unfit for NYC service. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 21:31:09 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 21:25:32 2020. Not sure if it was true or not, but a friend who was a Qns Transit mechanic told me the 8 had a different bulkhead that less problems than the TA 6. Of course, once they were repaired, the former TA buses soldired on for many years. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 23:06:07 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 21:31:09 2020. Maybe, but I do know that those 870s from Los Angeles and surrounding areas also had the 8-cylinder engines and were pulled from service.I think the difference in NYC was that of that huge TA/PBL add-on order is that at the time the buses were first pulled from service... The TA had 637 non-lift equipped buses in service, but they still hadn't rec'd the final 200 (lift equipped) buses as well as the PBL buses which all rec'd their A-frame retrofits before they were delivered. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 23:16:19 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 23:06:07 2020. I don't really know, I just remembering Queens having quite a few, and they were around a long time.. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 28 07:58:45 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 23:06:07 2020. Don't remind me of SCRTD and the Grummans. They were pulled and were out for like 6 months. I was affected, as my home route was out of one of the divisions that used Grummans (Division 5, then South Central Division, now Arthur Winston/Mid-Cities Division). They did have 8V71, at least until the spring of 1984, when RTD reengined them w/ 6V92 :( I never forgave RTD for that.Santa Monica had some 870s from late 1979 w/ 8V71. Interestingly, they had a followup order in the spring of 1981 which had 6V92. I was in NYC for a few days in August 1980 and I saw (but did not ride) the Grummans, and I remember they had 6V92 (or at least 6-cylinder). earlier that month I was in Champaign/Urbana, IL, and their Grummans were 8V71. My last experience riding Grummans was in Honolulu in the summer of 1990, those had 8V71. it was nice to hear that engine again years after RTD screwed me. RTD's Grummans were dead to me by then, but they were on the way out. They sold 9 of them to my home agency, Gardena Municipal Bus Lines, which used them solely on their school "commuter" lines, replacing their last Fishbowls. RTD (actually it was LACMTA by then) got rid of the last Grummans in the summer of 1993, Gardena ran theirs until mid-1995, when they got 14 Nova RTS-06, and then moved their 1988 Flxible Metros to the school commuter service. Not sure why, as they were still running 1981 and 1983 RTS-04s (maybe they wanted a front w/c lift for the school service). |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu May 28 10:58:27 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat May 23 13:38:24 2020. Not only that but you had to quickly walk away from the bus after getting off to avoid being choked by the oily smoke many of them belched during acceleration from a dead stop. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu May 28 11:02:44 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by murray1575 on Thu May 28 10:58:27 2020. Not only that but you had to quickly walk away from the bus after getting off to avoid being choked by the oily smoke many of them belched during acceleration from a dead stop. I well remember those black clouds of soot coming from those exhaust pipes. It was especially bad on hot humid days. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu May 28 12:52:22 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by pragmatist on Wed May 27 23:16:19 2020. Yes. They went to each of the PBLs in Queens and those at Queen Surface and Jamaica Buses outlasted the others. The TA also had 13 units that were 96-in wide (like those at Queens/Steinway Transit) with 8V71N engines that were intended for Ave B/E. Bway. They were diverted to the TA (as 553-565) since Ave B/E Bway had ceased operation by the time the buses had arrived. Interesting enough MSBA also operated their 870s for their full lifespan. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu May 28 13:03:12 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 28 07:58:45 2020. NYCTA's 870s probably would've been better suited for the 6V92, but unfortunately they went with 6V71 engine. I think NYCTA culture was all about the "savings" of the lesser engine. I put savings in quotes because is it really that if it gives you an underpowered bus? Their first RTS order in '81 also had the 6V71 (but 50 buses were 6V92 equipped). Interesting enough they went the 6V92 for their '82 RTS, and back to the 6V71 in '83, for some odd reason. After '83 they went back to the 6V92 until it was being phased out in favor of the Series 50.I agree with you that the 8V71 was a very nice sounding engine, especially in a Grumman 870. I was never a big RTS, but I always enjoyed them when equipped with the 6V92. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 28 19:18:16 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by Q4 on Wed May 27 13:21:07 2020. My father didn't bring a camera and I didn't own one at 15. Guess he didn't bring one because I forced him to go and he didn't want to. So all I have are memories and the giveaway from Ford that lights up after being in the light. My biggest memory is standing on line for everything between 30 and 90 minutes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 28 19:33:39 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 18:12:26 2020. In 1978, when only about 5 percent of the A/C buses were functioning, WCBS TV did a story which probably was just an MTA press release stating that virtually the entire fleet was now air conditioned. I was so pissed, I felt I just had to call the reporter to ask him what good is it having a completely air conditioned fleet if virtually none of them are actually working?.The reporter happened to be John Tesh. And I happened to know WCBS TV's phone number, because they had the best number which was 765-4321. So I picked up the phone and unlike today, someone answered who said, "WCBS, can I help you." I said, "Yes, I would like to speak to John Tesh." He said, " John, it's for you," They didn't even ask who I was and what it was about. Then I heard, "John Tesh." I explained what was wrong with his story and he gave me some BS answer that they will do a follow-up, which they never did. I couldn't believe that I could actually speak to him. That is something that would never happen today. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 28 20:08:58 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 28 19:33:39 2020. I was never on a new look bus with a functioning a/c until the Blitz buses. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 28 22:57:15 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 28 20:08:58 2020. Crosstown had about 20 from 1973, the 6300's. They did a great job with a/c maintenance. In addition, in the morning going to work, and because I had to wear a tie and jacket no matter how hot it was, I would catch a bus on the B24 in which the driver had high seniority and he was guaranteed to get a 6300 without fail.When I got off at Marcy my next hurdle was hope for an R42 on the J or M. In the absence of that, standing under a good fan on an R27/30 sufficed till I got to the bank. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri May 29 00:23:00 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 28 22:57:15 2020. I wonder what type of maintenance the a/c required that was skipped over. I mean GM was the world standard in a/c.Why did all these entities around the city buy these a/c buses and never touch them again? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 29 13:40:05 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by Q4 on Wed May 27 13:20:48 2020. Septa had a great number of A/C Fishbowls, and Flxibles, very few did not function in later years, IIRC...Maybe I was just lucky when I caught one to ride on. :):):) |
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Posted by gbs on Sat May 30 23:09:37 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 27 06:57:43 2020. No, as I've posted before, the Green Buses (and I think the Triboro Coaches) used the 111 St parking lot near the Port Authority Heliport. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat May 30 23:12:44 2020, in response to Re: World's Fair, posted by gbs on Sat May 30 23:09:37 2020. |
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