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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 15 13:40:36 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 13:50:33 2020. I know it doesn’t mean just using a wheelchair. Some people don’t have the wind to climb up stairs. Or bad knees . |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 14:36:35 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 15 13:40:36 2020. Anything. Knees, ankles, back, hip and feet. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 15:28:41 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 14:36:35 2020. And it doesn't have to be permanent. Some people feel fine one day and cant walk the next. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 16:26:59 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 15:28:41 2020. That’s the truth. It takes me a couple days to get over playing football. I can imagine how arthritis and other ailments people suffer from affect their lives. |
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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jan 15 16:46:58 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 12:52:03 2020. "They will probably just set up a table in the middle of the mezzanine to direct people to the website to learn about the plan" Haha, you know them well. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 17:51:49 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 5 22:22:39 2020. As a Rockawaite I think the Q53 elimination is grossly negligent in its consideration of the impact it will have on fellow west enders. They successfully ruined that route from the semi express it once was and now they’re considering taking it away.Few people rode it when it was a super express though, half-empty Q53s would routinely pass jam-packed Q11s. The poor reliability due to how the city forced the private bus lines out and that weird detour up 63rd Drive didn't help, but there just wasn't too much demand for it as a super express. I agree with the route making too many stops today however, just a few extra stops at Elmhurst Hospital, Jamaica Avenue, Liberty Avenue and 157th Avenue at the bare minimum would have sufficed, but the route wouldn't be anywhere near the success that it is today without the changes that the MTA made to it. The whole Q53 situation reminds me of the B103, when Command was in charge it only ran during the rush hour and was well below capacity until the MTA made it entirely open door and beefed up service between Canarsie and the Junction. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:12:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:31:05 2020. The emphasis is simply dumping people on the nearest "subway", regardless of what subway station and its amenities (local only, non-ADA).Are we sure about this? The only reason I ask is because I was told that to this day the Country Club bus in The Bronx (Bx14/Current Bx24) has almost always directly connected Country Club to the Pelham Bay Park station instead of the closer Buhre Avenue or Middletown Road stations for ADA reasons, even though the latter two are closer to Country Club and offer a less circuitous route to points south if you're transferring to the subway. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:19:09 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:29:38 2020. How many people are taking the bus from Beach 116th Street all the way to Woodside though? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jan 15 19:11:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:12:42 2020. That is the argument with the Jackson Heights complaints although the Northern Blvd Station and some others are scheduled to get ADA soon. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 15 19:25:02 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 16:26:59 2020. I can imagine how arthritis and other ailments people suffer from affect their lives.I'm almost 78 years old and have many ailments that affect my life. Getting old is no fun. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 15 20:08:53 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 15:28:41 2020. Like me with neuropathy in both feet. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 20:16:06 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:19:09 2020. Doesn't matter. That's like saying who rides the A train from Wash Hts to Far Rockaway. Think overlapping O&D. People along the way are headed to Woodside. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 20:45:43 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 20:16:06 2020. Should the M101 run nonstop between 42nd Street and 125th Street because the ride from 8th Street to Fort George is terrible? I'm just trying to understand his point. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 20:50:01 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 17:51:49 2020. Few people rode it? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 20:51:29 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 15 19:25:02 2020. I believe it. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Jan 15 21:06:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 17:51:49 2020. What constitutes "success" depends on one's perspective!The B103 history is interesting. It started in the same vein as the former R8X, an express to downtown Brooklyn. But it had two things going against it. First, like with the R8X, at the time downtown Brooklyn was not a thriving destination, other than low-end retail. Second, unlike the R8X, there really was not much of an "express" portion of the route between Church Avenue and Livingston Street. The B103 did all day, and it accepted transfers to and from the other express routes (BM1, BM3, and BM4) at Church Avenue, but still not much passenger traffic. Before the building boom in Brooklyn, the NYCTA discontinued the R8X, and Command Bus Company was on the same path. But unlike NYCTA, the planners involved with the B103 saw the problems, and took steps to address them, rather than just shutting down the route. The first thing was the recognition of the similarity between the B103 and Q53, and the fare on route B103 was lowered to match that of Q53 (effectively, the B103 fare was halved). Immediately, ridership picked up. Even though the fare was lowered, more revenue was generated with the lower fare. The next step was also taken in conjunction with the Q53, and that was the fare on each route was lowered to the standard limited-stop fare (i.e., the same as a local fare). In addition, route B103 was opened to passengers who were not destined for downtown Brooklyn. This part proved to be difficult, as some drivers and supervisors were no entirely comfortable with the "local" passenger traffic, especially the possibility that "too many" people would start riding route B103. The next step that Command Bus Company pursued--in cooperation with the Brooklyn borough president--was an extension on the east end of the route, to the Gateway Center shopping mall, and if successful to operate additional short-turn trips between the Junction and Gateway Center (the extension to Gateway Center, without added short-turn trips, could have been accomplished within the existing buses and drivers). While there was a public hearing on this step, it occurred in the middle of the era when the Department of Transportation was purposefully trying have all privately-operated bus service perform poorly (as part of its political strategy for an MTA Bus Company takeover of service), and so that step was not implemented by Command. After MTA Bus Company began operating the B103, it did do a better job in managing the supervisors to ensure that passengers not destined for downtown would be accommodated, and that, by itself, showed some of the true potential for route B103. Unfortunately, MTA Bus Company never followed through with the Gateway Center extension. So while route B103 is doing well now, it still has yet further potential. Will such extension appear when the Brooklyn bus network is redesigned? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 15 23:37:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 14 16:04:58 2020. From the new home page, I clicked system modernization, then bus network redesign. Not all that hard to figure out... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 00:02:19 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 15 23:37:59 2020. Most people would not think of looking under system modernization for bus route changes. They would think of trains or rail capital projects. They would more likely look under Planning studies in the old site where it is not listed.A separate tab for bus redesign wouldn't have been so difficult. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Jan 16 00:17:04 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 20:50:01 2020. It was a secret bus line for many years. When people started finding out about it, those buses had passengers in the stairwells. They couldn't run the Classics on it anymore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:55:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 20:45:43 2020. Do you understand the concept of overlapping corridors ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:57:03 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 15:28:41 2020. Arthritis does that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 09:25:36 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:57:03 2020. And how many people have arthritis and sciatica? People think it’s only the elderly and handicapped who would be inconvenienced? What about someone with a temporary injury on crutches? Ask him to walk a half mile to a bus. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 09:32:10 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. Lawmakers in AlbanyJackson Heights Town Hall video from Channel 11 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 16 09:59:50 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jan 16 00:17:04 2020. It has a specific purpose to connect the Rockaways with QB and Woodside. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 10:05:55 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from today’s Rockaway papers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 09:25:36 2020. Anyone who has broken a leg or foot bone earlier in life will have scar tissue issues and early arthristis. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jan 16 14:32:26 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 00:02:19 2020. Except why should the bus redesign be called out over all other programs?Out of the various choices on the relatively clean new MTA homepage, it didn't take much deduction to assume if I clicked on System Modernization, I might find information about the bus redesign. On the old site, the bus network redesign was the first thing to come up in that rotating image at the top center of the page. Maybe getting a URL like the Bus Transformation Project in DC has would have been useful, but I'm perpetually skeptical when you of all people say you can't find things. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 15:59:28 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jan 16 14:32:26 2020. The rotating image thing is just temporary.Again, most people do not associate “system modernization” with bus route changes and bus stop elimination. How is eliminating bus stops modernizing the system? As I said, system modernization is associated with capital improvements. If you want a heading for bus route redesign, it would be under “Planning Studies”. because that’s what it is. But if you go to the old site and look for Planning Studies, you so t find anything about the redesign. Also, why are the added workshops only in the press releases. They never changed the Redesign page to include them. Who is going to read through a bunch of press releases to learn about the new meetings? You would just assume the redesign page is up to date. And the location of some of the workshops is ambiguous like the one at Court Square E and M. It is a big subway station. They needed to be more specific. And how effective will it be? Who is going to stop at a table with a workshop sign between 6 and 9 AM while they are rushing to get a train? If they wanted to target subway riders, the evening rush hour would have been more effective when people are on their way home and not in such a rush. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 16:46:36 2020, in response to More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 09:32:10 2020. Byford heads the TA. Who heads MTA-BC ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:08:50 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 15:59:28 2020. Because by your own admission, the less people who know about it, the better (for NYCT). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:12:13 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 16:46:36 2020. To my knowledge, Craig Cipriano. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 19:59:01 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:12:13 2020. And NYCT Bus. But he is only acting. What I can’t understand is why Operations Planning is still separate for NYCT and MTA BusCo, but Road Operations for the two agencies is combined. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 16 19:59:43 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 19:59:01 2020. Bus and Subway planning should work together, that's kind of silly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 20:08:35 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:12:13 2020. He should be getting the complaints, not so much Byford, since most cuts affect MTA-BC. |
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Posted by gold_12th on Thu Jan 16 23:30:47 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 20:08:35 2020. It doesnt matter, he's part of the management to do this task. He wants the complaints. |
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CBS-2; PIX-11 news videos; Re: More news |
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Posted by gold_12th on Thu Jan 16 23:45:09 2020, in response to More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 09:32:10 2020. Queens Residents Furious About Proposed Bus Route Redesigns - CBS2MTA talks to riders about bus redesign in Queens - PIX 11 |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 17 02:08:54 2020, in response to CBS-2; PIX-11 news videos; Re: More news, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jan 16 23:45:09 2020. These events should be streamed |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jan 17 08:32:02 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:55:42 2020. I understand it, but even after backtracking I'm very confused with this sub-thread and who is trying to claim what. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 08:41:08 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:08:50 2020. Correct. They know their proposals won't be popular.so keeping them secret makes for less protests like occurred in Jackson Heights. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 08:45:36 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 20:45:43 2020. His point is that he wanted a bus exclusively for Rockaway people to access Woodside, even if no one else rode it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jan 17 09:44:44 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 16 15:59:28 2020. There are eight options at the bottom of the new homepage. One of them is system modernization. The other one I'd consider looking at is news and events, which also has a direct link to the redesign info once you click on it. And it has the date they last updated the page right at the top.The old school of transportation planning that you go to is closed. You're one of the only people left there. Removing bus stops is modernizing the system. So is focusing on frequent service over one seat rides as trip times often decrease as a result. This is where service planning has gone for the most part, note my use of past tense there. Have you ever been to one of these popups? Often times, they'll have signs at the location telling you where to find the actual event. And even if people don't stop at the table, if they take the brochure, that still gives them exposure to the project. If MTA only did outreach during PM rush you'd complain they didn't get to people in the morning. Nothing the MTA does will please you, it seems you're mission is to criticize the MTA no matter the circumstance. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 10:51:36 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jan 17 09:44:44 2020. Removing bus stops is not modernizing the system. That’s why nearly 500 people have already signed my petition to oppose eliminating half the bus stops in Queens, 100 in the past day alone.And the MTA is not focusing on frequent service. They are cutting routes, stops, and frequencies and spans as well with most routes operating at 15 to 20 minute intervals. That may be considered frequent in DC and in Tel Aviv, but is not frequent in NYC. You don’t turn one bus trips into three bus trips if you want the system to succeed. You turn three bus trips into two bus and one bus trips as I did in the very successful Southwest Brooklyn changes I created where there were no protests to my changes. And I don’t only criticize the MTA. I also tell them when they are doing things right like when I complimented their work after 9/11 and Hurricane Sandy. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 17 10:56:44 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:19:09 2020. I don’t know. But I do recall from the period that I rode it frequently back in the 90s was that many got off at 63rd drive. And others remained on the bus.Do other express buses arrive at their terminus full? I don’t understand what the resistance is here. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 11:13:57 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 18:19:09 2020. How many people are going from the first stop to the last stop of any local route? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 11:17:29 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jan 16 23:30:47 2020. After Jackson Heights and Feb 6 in Rockaway, maybe my words to him that his planners are destroying the system will sink in. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jan 17 11:49:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jan 17 09:44:44 2020. The old school of transportation planning is not closed. That is the biggest mistake any planner will make in this era. There are reasons why things were planned that way. A garden variety bus usually served short trips, so you want most of the population within 1/4 mile of the bus stop. You have NEVER seen an agency kill a local bus route and just run limited stop buses only.The old school recognized that not everyone lived on the bus route. There are certain parts of Queens where it is overdone with too many buses duplicating service, but my concern is that older people are going to struggle getting to these bus stops. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Jan 17 12:10:16 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 08:41:08 2020. I am not entirely persuaded that you are correct here. I think that there are a good number of NYCTA and MTABC people--perhaps going all the way to the top--who have consumed enough planning school Kool-Aid, that they actually believe that their draft service plan is an improvement . . . and those who are currently expressing their opposition to the draft service plan are simply not sufficiently enlightened and not as smart as the planning school graduates working at NYCTA and MTABC who know better. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 12:13:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jan 17 11:49:23 2020. The biggest mistake the planners are making is that they are planning from an ivory tower just looking at the data which is incomplete, making certain assumptions that may not be accurate and doesn’t tell the entire story.Looking at just paid riders tells you nothing about those evading the fare. Looking at existing riders only tells you nothing about those waiting for a bus and leave the stop using other means when no bus arrives or those the bus bypasses because it is too crowded. Asking people to transfer more tells you nothing about their willingness to do do so. Why does this effort not include speaking with the bus drivers to get their opinions? Also the planners don’t ride the buses themselves so they don’t know what it feels like to be in a crush loaded bus or to be bypassed by a bus that doesn’t stop when it is cold or raining. The new school of transportation planning is arrogant, believing they have all the answers. There is plenty to learn from the old school. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jan 17 12:17:58 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. If anyone knows where I can find a blank base Queens bus map, I would appreciate it. |
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Re: More news |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jan 17 13:16:50 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 16 19:59:43 2020. There is Operations Planning, and then it is broken down into subway and bus (and then for bus, for NYCT/MTA Bus) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 13:25:20 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jan 17 13:16:50 2020. But why were bus and subway Operations Planning combined back in 1981? If you thought it was for better operations to serve the public, you would be wrong.The only reason they were combined was because I constantly complained about the diesel fumes in ENY depot when I headed Bus Planning there and my boss was afraid of a lawsuit after I gathered 20 testimonials of employees being sickened by the fumes. So he sent me and the function to Jay Street to be combined with Rapid Transit Operations Planning (RTOP) which it was then called to form Operations Planning. It was called RTOP because it originally was under Rapid Transit Operations before it was placed under Planning and Budget which was a huge mistake because it really was Budget and Planning not Planning and Budget. |
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