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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 12:18:12 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jan 6 19:22:45 2020. Waiting for the QT4 on 69th St. that began its' trip in downtown Brooklyn rather than at Atlas Mall will negatively affect 69th St. riders.But you do have a point, I temporarily forgot about the QT78. I don't like the fact that 80th St. will have no service north of Penelope Ave. I would much rather see the B57 left as is and have the second 69th St. be like the present Q47 and by-pass Calamus Ave. if transit deems the street too narrow and having it take Grand from 80th to 69th and have that as the second 69th St. route. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Jan 7 16:16:24 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:48:56 2020. I will generous and suggest that Mr. Byford is under the impression that his subordinates know what they are doing in correcting long-standing deficiencies. But he is not a New Yorker--he is an outsider--and does not know, first hand, the background of buses in Queens County. The wool has been pulled over his eyes, so let us see how he reacts if this proposal is panned as much in the larger community as it is in this forum.Do elected officials really want to become actively involved? Transit route planning is hard work, very open and visible, and can be the subject of much controversy. It is much easier to score political points by taking pot shots at an administration that it is to actually do something meaningful. The cynic in me thinks that the NYCTA and MTABC will be whipped by the elected officials, but those elected officials are not going to go out onto a limb with any better plan. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jan 7 17:23:17 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 12:18:12 2020. And how about this silly proposal of having the QT74 route operating northward on Elmhurst Avenue between Broadway and Roosevelt Avenue...there are three speed humps along that multi-block stretch!The planners at MTA should have realized that these speed humps are there, and the NYCDOT criteria is not to install them on streets that are used by regularly scheduled bus lines or truck routes. One has to wonder if they are creating new routes to be operated along streets, narrow or not, and where any sort of speed reducers are installed, which could slow the buses considerably, plus possibly doing wear and tear damage on either the bus or the humps themselves. -William A. Padron ["Q49"] |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 18:56:03 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jan 7 17:23:17 2020. Either they except the humps to be removed or they’re idiots. But certainly the changes can be made in conjunction with removing the humps. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 09:40:51 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. No Good for Jackson Heights |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:01:57 2020, in response to Streetsblog Article, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 09:40:51 2020. Biggest complains are de-hubbing Jackson Hts and killing the Q53, around since killing the LIRR RBB, even though it is more popular than the newish Q52. It was worthy of SBS conversion and artics. Now they say kill it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:17:47 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Tue Jan 7 16:16:24 2020. I fully agree with you about Byford.If the elected officials are bombarded by their constituents, they will fight. The word is slowly getting out. Today's Rockaway Times has a long article on the changes and two long letters, one of them mine. About half a dozen elected officials already have made statements against the plan and intend to fight. The ones that worry me are the ones telling their constituents, there is nothing to worry about because this is only a draft and the MTA will listen to their complaints and remove the bad parts of the proposal. Nothing could be further from the truth. Individual complaints will be ignored. Those politicians will just foreword complaints to the MTA and stay out of the process. They should not be reelected or elected to another office. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:23:46 2020, in response to Re: Streetsblog Article, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:01:57 2020. Don't people realize all the MTA hypocris? They promised 30 percent quicker commutes. Their report stated if you travel over three miles you will only save three minutes. They still called it a success and now they want to axe the Q53. The only justification they can use is the part cut in Jackson Heights and Woodside is congested and eliminating that part of the route will make it more reliable. They knew about the congestion before the route started. But you can't eliminate a route only because of congestion and ignoring heavy ridership. By that standard many routes should be eliminated. And that still doesn't explain cutting Rockaway Park service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:31:05 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:17:47 2020. This is driven by an elitist NYC-DOT to force feed people onto the NYC Ferry money pit. Not a pleasant way to go on a 19 degree morning either. If Byford goes along with this to take De Blasio's bullet, he needs to go back to Canada and let him screw up TTC's bus service instead.Killing the Q53 makes killing Newport Ave service look trivial by comparison, though neither should happen. The whole point of the Q53 was to serve north-south Queens needs with the absence of the LIRR, which the Q52 does a poor job of doing. The emphasis is simply dumping people on the nearest "subway", regardless of what subway station and its amenities (local only, non-ADA). De-hubbing Jackson Hts, which is aside from being a good subway hub, is a destination in itself, is quite the anti-thesis of any real transportation planning. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:34:42 2020, in response to Re: Streetsblog Article, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 09:23:46 2020. Emphasis is on moving buses, not people. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 09:45:50 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:31:05 2020. I agree with you about the Q53 and the loss of service on Newport. But it’s been many years since the 53 did what it was intended to do.This makes me start to wish the Green Lines and Triboro were still around. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:54:43 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 09:45:50 2020. I don't agree that changing the Q53 to add stops on Woodhaven/Cross Bay was a bad thing. It was also a good thing moving it away from 63rd Drive. But now they've gone too far. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:00:14 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:54:43 2020. This I can agree with you on. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:02:00 2020, in response to Re: Streetsblog Article, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:34:42 2020. And saving money to cut their deficit. But when ridership plummets because people can't get to the bus stop, their deficit won't improve and they will have to cut more service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 10:59:10 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:54:43 2020. It was special case when it was zooming down the center lanes of Woodhaven Blvd at 40 -45 MPH, yet it did not charge express bus fares. It became effectively a Q11-LTD.Having to take 3 buses to the Rockaways instead is ridiculous, but all they want to do is dump people at the nearest subway station, and they don't care which one or where it goes. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:13:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:54:43 2020. Why not? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:16:25 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:13:42 2020. It benefits everyone. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:23:17 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:16:25 2020. I’m certainly not an expert on Queens buses but I would have thought that the areas north of Howard Beach had their own bus lines on Woodhaven. The addition of the 53 was an unnecessary redundancy in my opinion. The original intention of the line was forgotten when all those stops were added. It became quite tedious to travel up the Queens mainland from Rockaway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 12:26:20 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:16:25 2020. Not for those travelling between Woodhaven Blvd/Slattery Plaza and Rockaway Blvd and points south.Its original purpose was to replace LIRR service, which is not a market that has gone way. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 12:26:31 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:23:17 2020. But before those stops were added the line wasn’t used to capacity. I believe there were always seats available. That’s not acceptable to the MTA. There has to be standees during the rush hour. That’s why the stops were added. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:27:58 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 12:26:20 2020. That’s what they can do then. Eliminate the Q53 and open up the Rockaway Beach Branch again. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:29:38 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 12:26:31 2020. That’s horseshit. It’s a terrible trip from B. 116th to Woodside. I haven’t taken that bus since March 31, 2003 because it’s so bad. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 12:33:46 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:27:58 2020. Not for $8 billion they won't. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:34:57 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 12:33:46 2020. That’s such an offensive number. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 9 12:42:04 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:29:38 2020. How can you say it's bad now when they have bus lanes and tsp? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 9 12:45:19 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. If NYCT wants to make buses run faster - - why aren't there any routes proposed on the Clearview (it's always "clear" and free of traffic) Expressway between Queens and the Bronx, over the Throgs Neck Bridge and continuing on I295/CBE extension? Imagine how much faster trips between Jamaica, Queens and Parkchester/Fordham or Co-Op city sections of the Bronx. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 9 12:55:53 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. The interactive maps have been added badkhttps://new.mta.info/system_modernization/bus_network/queensbusredesign/draftplan/maps They have more headway info |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:59:01 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 9 12:42:04 2020. I would think that bus lanes are more of an improvement than fewer stops. Maybe the part between Rego Park and Woodside got worse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:59:17 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:23:17 2020. First, Rockaway passengers benefitted by being able to access Liberty, Jamaica, and other intermediate stops. The Q21 didn't extend north of Liberty back when it ran to Rockaway. And getting what is essentially a Q11 limited was also useful. I don't see the extra stops as being onerous for Rockaway riders, although if you say there are too many, fine. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 13:01:55 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:34:57 2020. That's we they estimated because they don't want to do it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 13:04:28 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:59:17 2020. That is not "everyone benefits". 25 MPH speed limit made it all the worse for the Rockawayites in addition to all the stops. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 13:05:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 9 12:45:19 2020. They want to cut routes, not add them. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 9 13:41:38 2020, in response to Re: Streetsblog Article, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 10:02:00 2020. It's all about getting the most daily driving hours out of the bus operators at the least amount of daily pay.In other words jobs will pay far less. Fewer long swings. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 13:42:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jan 9 12:42:04 2020. Like I said I haven’t been on that bus in almost 17 years. But bus land or not it’s still stopping.Years ago it was a quasi express bus and now it’s a local on a long route. It’s 💩 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 13:44:27 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 9 12:45:19 2020. It’s not that clear anymore bud. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 9 13:49:28 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:31:05 2020. I wouldn't put too much blame on Byford for some of these cuts. It's one thing for a complete outsider to become familiar with all the subway routes and ridership, but to expect him to know the same about bus routes streets and neighborhoods, especially outside of the simple Manhattan routes, may be asking too much out of a guy who has been here what 2 years? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 13:53:24 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 12:59:17 2020. I don’t think too many Rockawaites we’re heading to those neighborhoods. Many passengers got off at 63rd Drive and QB for the subway station or they went to the last stop at 61st street. I think there was a stop at 74th street I would get off at to take the 7 to Shea Stadium. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 14:00:20 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 13:04:28 2020. So they lowered it again to 25? Woodhaven was 35, then 30. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 14:01:10 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 13:53:24 2020. Because they couldn’t. Now they can. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 14:03:34 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 13:42:23 2020. How can you comment on it if you haven’t ridden it? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 14:31:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 14:01:10 2020. But that’s not a destination for them. Folks were on the Q53 to commute into Manhattan or schools in Northern Queens. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 14:52:58 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 14:03:34 2020. Common sense tells me that a bus making local stops as opposed to express or very limited stop can’t be as quick.I’m telling you guys it was a nice ride and by making those stops upon stops ruined it. I didn’t like RTSs very much but I’ll admit those 6V92s roared along that route. It was a gas. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 15:13:49 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 14:52:58 2020. Thanks for proving my point elsewhere in this thread that fewer stops are better.But it's a range, and too few stops is also bad. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 9 15:30:22 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 14:52:58 2020. It was awesome:1) Presuming it came on time, with already low frequency (partially because there were too few stops to justify much more) 2) Presuming that your travel plans cover the entire express stretch. Now it's awesome: 1) Because it runs way, way more frequently 2) Because people can use it in many more ways I've used the line both before and after the takeover, and even when I'm going through from Rockaway Park to Elmhurst or beyond, I'm glad the bus runs as often as it does and don't miss the non-stop segment. Obviously every 10 minutes all day and nonstop would be great, but the buses would be near empty, and too many people left on the curb as it goes by. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 15:35:32 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 9 13:49:28 2020. He has to know by now that MTA is staffed with a lot of clowns and to take their studies with a grain of salt. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 15:45:44 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 15:13:49 2020. You’re welcome.The Q53 was a unique route and charged a fare commensurate with its service. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 15:49:12 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 9 15:30:22 2020. I’m pretty sure from what I know about neighbors that used it that I had an almost cult following with generally predictable reliability.Much better than Green Lines in Rockaway. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 9 16:50:08 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 15:13:49 2020. Heh. A huge thread that's all about where you draw the line.I found it hard to participate, because I keep thinking "It depends." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 17:00:43 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 14:31:23 2020. Obviously they couldn’t be on the Q53 if they were going place one couldn’t get to on the Q53. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s better if more destinations become available. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 17:05:28 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 12:29:38 2020. What’s horseshit? Are you saying it was well utilized when Green Lines ran it? If so what could have been the rationale for adding stops? If all the seats were occupied during rush hour, that would not be well utilized according to MTA standards, especially with no turnover. |
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