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Re: BrooklynBus may have a reading comprehension problem |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 7 14:03:46 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus may have a reading comprehension problem, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 10:13:43 2016. Not at all. Where/how did I get the last word in, and even if I did, how do you know that I WANTED to do that? You're clueless. You have no idea what you ar4e talking about. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 14:04:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Oct 7 12:22:51 2016. You can't be a mind reader especially when someone is being an asshole.Anyway, I had to look right anyway for pedestrians so I would have seen a cyclist if one were to my right. Even if one were coming, there is nothing I could do if he decided to cut in front of me even if I did see him. Are you saying if one were to my right, it was my responsibility not to move forward until he makes his intentions known? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 7 14:11:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 10:16:21 2016. Learn to read.Wrong, I know how to read. You're the one who doesn't. I stated I was the only car turning at the time.I know you said that. But then you changed your story and said you're not sure if you were the only car who wanted to turn. I also said that other cars may have wanted to turn but we're stuck behind the stop line and had to wait for the next signal.I know you also said that. But that's contradictory. Cars who want to turn are "turning vehicles". It doesn't matter where in the process of turning they are. Anyhow, I already told you in response that the fact that there were peds crossing behind you does not nece3ssarily mean that there weren't any other turning vehicles or that any other turning vehicles were stuck behind the stop line and had to wait for the next signal. Other drivers may know how to driver better than you. Then you mentioned that one car could have moved up to the crosswalk allowing one other car to turn like 30 or 45 seconds after I turned. BIG DEAL.I never said anything about 30 or 45 seconds later. That's ridiculous. Are you lying again? I'm talking about vehicles able to turn during the same phase, which is a VERY big deal. You're the one complaining UP THE FRIGGEN WAZOO about additional potential turning delays on Woodhaven blvd!!!! |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:16:35 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 7 14:02:40 2016. Posting lies make YOU a liar like when you claim I was never Director of Bus Planning.When someone asks you nicely to repeat what you stated, the correct and polite response is not to tell someone to go look it up. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:26:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 7 14:11:24 2016. You didn't have to say anything about another car turning 30 to 45 minutes later. But that was the fact. The prdestrians crossing behind my car prevented any other car who might want to have turned to do so without waiting 30 seconds for the pedestrians to finish crossing. You make it seem as if other cars could have turned right after I did when that was just impossible.As for changing my story, I did no such thing. Cars wanting to turn is not the same thing as cars actually turning. There were no cars turning for at least 30 seconds after I turned so it is perfectly correct to state there were no other turning vehicles. To clarify, I added that one additional car could have turned before the signal changed if he was at the crosswalk. Those two statements are perfectly consistent and non-contradictory and do not make me a liar. We have no way of knowing if there was a car at the crosswalk threshold or if any cars were waiting behind the stop line to turn, so it was perfectly correct to say there were no other turning vehicles. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:41:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Sep 28 10:54:41 2016. Stephen Bauman certainly did talk about crosswalks. LIAR. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:47:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 2 14:01:54 2016. Quit changing your story and denying what you previously stated. LIAR.You are crazy. Someone sitting at a green light for two seconds in order to be cautious is no reason to tear up one's license. Since the pedestrians waited two seconds after the signal changed before starting to cross, should they "tear up their license" to walk? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:48:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Oct 6 13:00:01 2016. So we are in agreement.I am also anti-reckless driving and I have expressed that many times in the articles I used to write for Sheepsheadbites. But the anti-car people would always dismiss those comments and then distort what I would say about Vision Zero and deny I was pro-bus (because I do not agree with how SBS is moving forward) ant I was pro-car which I am not. I am pro transit but also recognize the importance of cars and driver rights. Anti-car people (which you apparently are not) beluieve drivers gave no rights and should never drive within the city limits. They want to force their values on everyone else. As far as the mirrors comment, I am glad you added the "if necessary" because that is the key. In his case, even if a cyclist had started moving to the right of me after the pedestrians finished crossing, there still would not have been any conflict since we would both be traveling in the same direction. It was on,y necessary to look right to be sure the last person crossed who wanted to cross. And I did observe the New Year and Happy belated New Year to you to. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:55:08 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 6 13:39:18 2016. I waited at the green light for two seconds for a very good reason which I already explained. To be certain no pedestrian wanted to cross. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 7 17:17:05 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:16:35 2016. Liar! I NEVER POSTED AS FACT that you never held that title!!! You just can't stop lying, can you? Why would I have posted something as fact when I don't know it to be fact??? Think, man! When have I ever posted anything as fact like that when it wasn't fact? LOL!! You've obviously learned nothing useful about me.I didn't tell you to look it up. That's just the logical next step for you after being told that you misunderstood the previous post. Why should I have to repeat the same exact thing that was in one post earlier? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 7 17:18:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:41:49 2016. In the context of this subthread's ongoing discussion? Wanna bet? Loser has to leave SubChat.com for a month. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 7 17:25:21 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:47:59 2016. Liar. I didn't change anything or deny anything. You're a liar.No, pedestrians are allowed to stand around, preferably outside of the major pedestrian flow area. They have no requirement to move at any specific time. However, when you are operating a vehicle in a moving lane of traffic, you can not park, stand, or stop in that lane. If the light is green and you have the right of way, you are required to move, unless you are mechanically unable or in some other atypical situation. So you are wrong. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 7 17:29:53 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:55:08 2016. That's not a good reason. No regulatory authority with jurisdiction over that location has given that reason. In fact, they have said the opposite. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 7 17:29:53 2016. It's a terrible reason. But it's distressingly common. I often see cars at a red light fail to move when the light turns green because they are planning to turn. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 8 10:58:54 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016. Sadly, true |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 11:36:20 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016. I was told that when turning left at a typical 4-way intersection and waiting for a clearing in oncoming traffic I should pull out to the center of the intersection (about the yellow lines on the street I am turning onto), which theoretically allows opposing/oncoming traffic to do the same turn the opposite way. But sometimes I've been honked at even while doing that and it's obvious that there's no clearance in opposing traffic so I guess they want me to go almost all the way across the intersection even though that would take out the space for any left-turners coming from the other way.A one-way intersection is different I suppose - then it doesn't matter how far you pull out. I think people are also (irrationally) afraid of blocking-the-box tickets, and I'm not sure what criteria the officers use in issuing those, but every time I can think of that I've seen one given the car was going straight through the intersection and just didn't have enough room on the other side. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 11:38:08 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 11:36:20 2016. A one-way intersection is differentCorrection. . .Turning onto a one-way street is different. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 11:53:35 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 11:36:20 2016. When you're turning you never have to worry about a blocking-the-box ticket if you pull into the middle of the intersection, because when your light turns red and their light turns green you can make the turn. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 12:32:23 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 11:53:35 2016. So one question I would have is what if traffic on the street you are trying to turn onto is backed up to the intersection you are at, meaning that there is no space for you to complete your turn? Should you wait behind the stop bar in this case (legally speaking)? |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 13:18:31 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 8 12:32:23 2016. Agreed, in that case you might be at risk of being charged with blocking the box, so best not to go into the intersection. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 8 15:45:57 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 13:18:31 2016. I don't agree because when you will be blocking the box the street you are turning into will have the green. You'd have to assume that traffic is so bad that the light will completely cycle back to green for the street that you were turning FROM for blocking the box to be an issue. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 9 21:20:02 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 8 15:45:57 2016. Good discussion, folks. It's a nice change from discussing this stuff with BrooklynBus. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 9 21:20:33 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016. Thanks for your support! |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 18:14:09 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016. And if you start turning right away, you are accused of not giving pedestrians the right of way because you are not letting them step into the street to cross. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Oct 10 18:19:20 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 18:14:09 2016. Says who? In fact, haven't we repeatedly told you that's not the case and yet you still keep on saying it????? |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Oct 10 18:20:58 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 18:14:09 2016. And If that were the case, why would AlM say it was a terrible reason? Think man, think!Face it, he agrees with me and disagrees with you. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 18:21:48 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 8 15:45:57 2016. Sometimes when going straight you have no alternative but to momentarily block the box when going straight because you figure cars will start moving again in a few seconds which usually happens. If you wait for a complete space to appear on the other side of the intersection, the light will turn red and while you are waiting for the signal to turn green again, all the space and the intersection gets blocked again with turning cars and you are in the same position as you were before where there is only room for half a car on the other side of the intersection with you sticking into the crosswalk if you go forward and missing another light if you choose to wait. So in very heavy traffic the only way you can get across the intersection is to partially block the box for ten seconds until traffic moves again. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Oct 10 19:21:59 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 18:14:09 2016. I say let them accuse.Light turns green. . .pull up to crosswalk threshold prepared to yield. If at that precise point, pedestrians are in the crosswalk in such a way that you would interfere with their crossing, wait. If not, go. If pedestrians are angry that you did not wait back at the stop bar, their problem. If pedestrians are angry that you went through their crosswalk while they were still on the curb, their problem. Pedestrians do have the right of way, but they don't deserve to stop traffic while they decide if/when they will exercise it. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 20:48:57 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Oct 10 19:21:59 2016. Okay. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Oct 10 21:20:16 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 20:48:57 2016. Really? |
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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 21:20:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Aug 11 21:31:52 2016. Terrapin takes every opportunity to try to discredit me by calling me names like 'liar" and "idiot."Now we have proof that he is full of BS. Part of the reason this thread has become so long and unmanageable is because of his constant accusations forcing me to constantly defend myself. So here is the proof: Earlier in this thread there were the following posts: Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 18 01:39:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 16 17:46:52 2016. Nope, you're wrong. Even a non-reoccurring plan can be in effect and still be a plan in the existing conditions. Nope, you're wrong. Just because you get a letter published does not mean you're not an idiot. Plenty of idiots get their letters published. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with them or not. It has to do with being factually or logically incorrect. That makes them idiots. And for that very reason, you are an idiot! This was my response. Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 18 14:24:45 2016, in response to BrooklynBus is factually or logically incorrect -- the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn median, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 18 01:39:29 2016. FYI the letter I wrote that was published by the New York Times was in 1975. It recommended that the MTA should renumber crosstown bus routes to reflect the street they run on. For example, the M106 should become the M42 when the MTA renumbered duplicate route numbers sequentially. For example there were three routes called 15 at the time. I was told at that time only one out of 20 letters were selected for publication. I made the same suggestion in 1984 at a job interview with the head of Operations Planning. In effect, he told me that it was a dumb idea. Then three weeks later, he renumbered the routes exactly as I suggested. So according to you they did not publish 19 letters so they could pick one written by an idiot. A letter that was factually or logically incorrect according to you, which the MTA saw value in. And since your first paragraph is non-sensical and logically incorrect, the only idiot around here is you. There was no response to the above post from the poster who usually wants the last word. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 10 23:25:28 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 20:48:57 2016. Wow. Good post. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 11 02:46:11 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 8 10:58:54 2016. Nice thread bump!On a similar note, I was in Vegas a few weeks ago. I pulled into the left turn lane at an intersection where you can only turn left on a green arrow. There was one vehicle in front of me in line, with his hazards on. When we got the green arrow, the car in front didn't move, as it was clearly disabled. I was unable to go around him at the moment, because the traffic going straight had the red light, and the lane to my right was occupied. On my left was a concrete barrier. After my left turn arrow went red, and the straight traffic light turned green, I pulled around the disabled vehicle into the left straight traffic lane, angled into the intersection in front of the disabled vehicle, and turned left as soon as the oncoming traffic (which was very light) eased up. I technically broke the law, as I made a left turn on a red left turn arrow. But what am I to do? A) With the disabled vehicle blocking the left turn lane, pull into the left lane and sit there, blocking straight traffic, until I eventually get another left turn green arrow? B) Abandon all hope of turning left there, and go somewhere else. That disabled car has screwed humanity over. My Vegas-local friends were following me in their car when I pulled that maneuver. When we got to our destination, they said, "Ravage! I can't believe you blatantly broke the law like that!" To which I replied: "I'm from New York...I don't have time for this bullshit!!" |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 06:22:15 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 8 08:26:19 2016. Not only that but they fail to move because the driver is too busy on his/her phone. |
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Re: Proff that BrooklynBus is dumber than a pile of rocks being thrown at the B32 bus |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 07:15:37 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 21:20:37 2016. But what if?...Just what if?...What if your entire premise is flawed because you're wrong about me wanting the last word? That would mean that your entire post was a waste of your worthless time! HAHA! Joke's on you!!!BTW, you ARE wrong and you ARE a liar, as I have successfully and conclusively shown over and over again. Please defend yourself as I wouldn't want to have the last word. LOL |
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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:33:37 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 10 21:20:37 2016. I made the same suggestion in 1984 at a job interview with the head of Operations Planning. In effect, he told me that it was a dumb idea. Then three weeks later, he renumbered the routes exactly as I suggested. Renumbering continued through 1989, BUZZZZZ try again. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:50:13 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Oct 10 19:21:59 2016. Pedestrians do have the right of way, but they don't deserve to stop traffic while they decide if/when they will exercise it.Partially incorrect - pedestrians have the right of way, only at cross walks and when the light is in their favor. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:53:41 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 7 15:55:08 2016. If not one single pedestrian had one foot in the crosswalk - - there was absolutely NO reason for you to wait 0.0000000001 second, let alone 2 seconds. You were obstructing traffic. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Oct 11 08:26:11 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 11 02:46:11 2016. But what am I to do?Practically speaking, what you did make sense. In terms of a technical following of the law, it would depend on what one is permitted to do based on the local law to avoid obstructions, like the disabled vehicle. Either the obstruction eliminated the possibility of a legal left turn at that intersection (which is what I'm inclined to think) or you were granted certain liberties (such as to do what you did) due to the obstruction, similar to how you are permitted to briefly cross into active bus lanes here in NY to get around double-parked vehicles and other obstacles. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 08:30:09 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:50:13 2016. Crosswalks aren't always marked. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 08:31:27 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:53:41 2016. Exactly. We've told him this for weeks or months but he's just not getting it. Time for him to turn in his driver's license. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:22:27 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:53:41 2016. If I were a pedestrian at that corner, I would be afraid to set one foot into the crosswalk until I am certain no car is turning or trying to beat a red light. That could take up to a second to determine. It is especially true since one quarter of the pedestrian accidents involve turning vehicles. It pays to be safe than sorry. What if you step into the crosswalk and a car is taking the turn at 20 mph and nearly runs you over? |
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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:27:47 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 11 07:33:37 2016. What are you talking about? The Manhattan crosstowns were renumbered in 1984 as I stated. So what if there have been additional renumberings in the Bronx and elsewhere after that? It is not pertinent to the discussion. The specific renumberings I suggested were made in 1984 three weeks after I suggested them after being told in effect it was a dumb idea.You can try again if you wish. |
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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:35:27 2016, in response to Re: Proff that BrooklynBus is dumber than a pile of rocks being thrown at the B32 bus, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 07:15:37 2016. Learn to read. My premise is not based on you wanting to have the last word. That was just my way of saying you had no response since you didn't respond for a month.The only thing you have successfully shown is how big of an idiot you really are by continuingly calling me a liar and incapable of logic and you changing the subject line does not change that since I conclusively I proved you to be wrong by stating the New York Times prints letters written by idiots. If that were true, you would have zero trouble getting anything you want printed there. You have not successfully refuted a single point I made. You just make baseless accusations because you are just jealous you could never enter the planning field. I loved my dream for a short time and you never have. |
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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 11 14:28:10 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:35:27 2016. I proved you to be wrong by stating the New York Times prints letters written by idiots. If that were true, you would have zero trouble getting anything you want printed there.Hmm. NYT prints letters from idiots. That doesn't mean they print all letters from idiots. Therefore even if TS were an idiot, he might not get his letters printed. |
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Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:02:10 2016, in response to Re: Proff that Terrapin Station is not capable of logical thinking and can only resort to insults., posted by AlM on Tue Oct 11 14:28:10 2016. The logic BrooklynBus uses is astoundingly flawed. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:16:40 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:22:27 2016. Wow. How do you live? Do you ever walk in the Manhattan CBD? You're probably one of those people who muck up the sidewalks for everyone else. LEARN HOW TO WALK.When the light turns green, you go, unless someone else has the right of way or if moving would cause immediate harm to someone else. In the situation you describe, there's no reason no to move on the green light. |
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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Oct 11 16:19:40 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:27:47 2016. What link are you making between your suggestion and a renumbering that occurred three weeks later? |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 12 10:11:35 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:22:27 2016. If I were a pedestrian at that corner, I would be afraid to set one foot into the crosswalk until I am certain no car is turning or trying to beat a red light. That could take up to a second to determine. It is especially true since one quarter of the pedestrian accidents involve turning vehicles. It pays to be safe than sorry. What if you step into the crosswalk and a car is taking the turn at 20 mph and nearly runs you over?In the last 30 years I have crossed the street in Manhattan roughly 300,000 times. I balance getting where I'm going as quickly as possible with doing it as safely as I possibly can. There is never a guarantee that you can cross the street safely without paying close attention. Too many drivers are erratic, inattentive, or just plain criminally reckless. I take actions to assert that I can cross the street, but watch very carefully for any driver who could be a threat to me. I look at the direction in which the wheels of vehicles are pointed. I look to see whether a vehicle is accelerating, decelerating, or neither. If possible I try to see the driver's face to see where he is looking (many drivers turn while not looking at the space directly in front of where their car is heading). I look in the direction from which traffic is not allowed to come (usually, especially since I got hit by a bicyclist going the wrong way on a one-way street at night while I had a walk light). Maybe 1-2% of the time when I try to cross a street a driver does something really reckless, and I have to surrender my right of way in order to stay safe. But I wouldn't avoid those situations even if I waited a second before starting to cross. Often the driver's reckless action begins once I am already crossing. So the answer is that there is no easy answer. Pay attention and soon you will realize the kinds of driver actions that threaten harm. And yes, it does diminish the joy of walking - it's just not safe to be a carefree pedestrian. But I can say that in all 300,000 crossings, I've never had a really close call. (Knock wood.) |
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Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Oct 12 12:23:56 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 11 12:27:47 2016. What are you talking about? The Manhattan crosstowns were renumbered in 1984 as I stated.Around 1989, the crosstown routes were given new numbers corresponding to the numbered streets. |
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