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Long gone NJ Bus Lines
Posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015 edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d While we are on the subject of defunct bus lines...Lines in NJ: Orange and Black, Intercity ("Brown Bus with the Orange Band"). There must be lots of others.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Sun Oct 11 14:44:16 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d was Red & Tan in NJ ?
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Posted by busdude2* on Sun Oct 11 18:56:40 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Dozens of NJ bus lines are long gone. Just in Jersey city alone Bergen Ave line, Central Ave, Greenville Lafayette, North and South Hudson county boulevard lines. Downtown bus line, Drogin bus line, Marion bus line, Red and Tan bus line. And many many more around the state.
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Posted by northshore* on Sun Oct 11 21:46:27 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some are now Coach USA
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Posted by kcram3500* on Sun Oct 11 23:00:44 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Orange & Black, Intercity, Warwick Stages, and Northeast Coach Lines were all purchased by TNJ in 1974 and consolidated under the Maplewood Equipment Company name (Maplewood NJ was TNJ's headquarters). The O&B garage is still in use as NJT Fairview. NJT also used the last Intercity garage (Madison Avenue in Paterson) and the Warwick garage in Warwick NY - they were both replaced by Wayne.
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Posted by Andy* on Mon Oct 12 01:09:47 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Somerset Bus (Blue Star Route): now NJT Suburban Transit: now part of Coach USA NY Keansburg and Long Branch: don't know what it is now. Westwood Transportation: don't know what it is now. Manhattan Transit Lines: don't know what it is now. Lincoln Transit: now NJT
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Posted by northshore* on Mon Oct 12 07:26:13 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Academy took over some companies.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Mon Oct 12 08:05:30 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 12 07:26:13 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I saw a green Academy MCI coach this morning with the engine cover slats smashed in. Reversing accident maybe. Saw another Academy that was a pure white city transit-style bus.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Mon Oct 12 08:49:08 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Andy on Mon Oct 12 01:09:47 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d NY Keansburg and Long Branch is Academy. Manhattan Transit Lines routes were adopted by NJT.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Mon Oct 12 09:10:00 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Andy on Mon Oct 12 01:09:47 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Community is also part of Coach USA
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Posted by northshore* on Mon Oct 12 10:56:09 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 12 08:05:30 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I understand Academy is expanding into other cities and types of services (eg. campus shuttles).
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Mon Oct 12 11:23:29 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 11 14:44:16 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Red and Tan was, and still technically is in New Jersey. Rockland division had garages in Westwood and Bergenfield while Hudson division had a garage on Tonnelle Ave in Jersey City. They still exist under the Coach USA umbrella.
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Mon Oct 12 11:26:03 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Andy on Mon Oct 12 01:09:47 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Ny Keansburg Long Branch is now Academy. Manhattan and Westwood were abandoned and scavanged by NJT.
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Posted by busdude2* on Mon Oct 12 15:04:24 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 12 10:56:09 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They are getting big in Florida now.
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Posted by HART BUS* on Mon Oct 12 16:33:34 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wasn't there a bus company called Asbury Park (something) and New York Bus Company. I don't think that something in the middle was Keansburg.
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Posted by Joe* on Mon Oct 12 16:58:15 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by HART BUS on Mon Oct 12 16:33:34 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d @Hart Bus Yes, there was a well-managed family operation connecting Asbury Park and Manhattan, with its garage somewhere along NJ 35, Keyport more or less, or maybe Matawan. It may be the one I recall as Rollo (family name). --- To my mind, the Academy desk inside the Cheesequake Service Area is a direct descendant of this operation, which competed with both the CNJ and the PRR.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Mon Oct 12 17:25:27 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe on Mon Oct 12 16:58:15 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Asbury Park-New York Transit was the name - they had a blue and cream paint scheme. They received Flx suburbans from the state in 1976, and MC-9s in the 80s before Academy bought the system and merged it with their NY-Keansburg-Long Branch operation.
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Posted by HART BUS* on Mon Oct 12 17:30:18 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Oct 12 17:25:27 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d At least this old brain remembers a few things. Wasn't sure if there was a middle location in the AP-NY transit name.
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Posted by Joe* on Mon Oct 12 18:04:52 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The link below goes to a page with several photos, with one showing three buses at a terminal marked Greyhound and also "N.Y. Buses." I would not be surprised if the first and third buses are Asbury Park to N.Y. I cannot read the words on the buses. Bus Station in Asbury Park --- I would guess the date somewhere 1928-1940, but some people on this board should be able to give the model and year of the buses.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Oct 12 18:50:42 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Andy on Mon Oct 12 01:09:47 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I thought PSCT to AC became NJT and Lincoln became Academy ?
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Posted by kcram3500* on Mon Oct 12 19:00:32 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 12 18:50:42 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Lincoln Transit was a private company that ran pool with PSCT/TNJ/NJT between NY and Cape May on the US9 routes. Lincoln ran as far north from NY as Montreal, and operated one daily through trip each way from Atlantic City to Montreal via NYC. LT went under in the mid 80s, and NJT assumed all US9 service until Suburban Trails began to compete with the 139 in 1987.
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Posted by cortelyounext* on Mon Oct 12 21:00:25 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember Intercity Lines... called it the "Cocoa" bus in New Milford, New Jersey.
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Posted by cortelyounext* on Mon Oct 12 21:02:41 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 11 14:44:16 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember the Red and Tan 21 (Downtown Port Authority) and 25 (Uptown Port Authority) Lines ran through my hometown of New Milford, New Jersey.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Mon Oct 12 22:34:20 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Oct 12 21:00:25 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d nice
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33* on Tue Oct 13 08:52:11 2015, in response to Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by WhiteBus on Sun Oct 11 13:56:55 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember riding Lincoln Transit between McGuire Air Force Base and the Port Authority Bus Terminal. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by HART BUS* on Tue Oct 13 09:36:23 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Oct 12 21:00:25 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The bus I took from NYC to Camp Sussex, Sussex NJ from 1960-1962
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Posted by hound* on Tue Oct 13 10:44:45 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 13 08:52:11 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some others I remember: Real Transit,Trackless Transit,Evergreen Trails,Boro Busses,West Hunterdon Transit,Coast Cities Cruisers,Passaic Athenia Coaches,Cherry Hill Transit,Garden State Coachways
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Posted by JohnnyMints* on Tue Oct 13 10:58:46 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by hound on Tue Oct 13 10:44:45 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There was also one called Friendly. I remember them running DeCamp's old 55 for a while. They ran it up to then Montclair State College. They had a mix of Metro B suburbans and some old MCI's.
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Posted by Joe V* on Tue Oct 13 18:01:40 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Oct 12 19:00:32 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Did Lincoln run their PD type buses to Montreal, or did a SDM slip in once in a while ?
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Posted by kcram3500* on Tue Oct 13 21:01:59 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 13 18:01:40 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I only recall seeing pics of their parlors signed for Montreal. That would be a long ride for a Fish.
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Posted by Joe V* on Wed Oct 14 08:06:40 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Oct 13 21:01:59 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well Schenk Tours sent their SDM's there on charters. I have seen pictures of them in Canada. As a youngster, I would have been in 7th heaven on such a ride on them, with the high retention, lead bladder I had back then.
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Wed Oct 14 12:36:24 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Oct 12 21:02:41 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The 21 still schedules 6 trips a day to NYC. Otherwise you have the 11C that goes via GWB from New Milford. Overall Rockland isn't what it once was. Coach USA ruined it
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Wed Oct 14 12:46:35 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 14 08:06:40 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As I remember PSCT used SDM's for Montreal Expo in the late sixties. Many of which were 6 cylinders buses. Turning the a/c off and downshifting to second on hills was the rule of those trips.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Wed Oct 14 14:01:36 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by NJT Oradell on Wed Oct 14 12:46:35 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d PS did a large charter to Washington DC in the early 70s with about a hundred Fish suburbans... a picture of it was in the 1978 PS/TNJ 75th anniversary special that appeared in the Star Ledger (wish I still had that... was a great collectible). Everything from the first P700s to the last 700Bs were in that pic. They were asked to bring about 5000 conventioneers from NJ to DC, and at that time, only PS had the fleet size to pull that off.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Wed Oct 14 14:05:03 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by NJT Oradell on Wed Oct 14 12:36:24 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Coach USA can take plenty of blame, but NJT's GWB service has also taken a beating. 186 rush hour service is down over 50% with no route 4 express trips, compared to 30 years ago. Bergen County residents want PABT one-seat trips - they don't want to bother with the A train.
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Posted by Joe V* on Wed Oct 14 15:22:48 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Oct 14 14:05:03 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d More like the A train is a long schlep from there to midtown.
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Thu Oct 15 10:42:06 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Oct 14 14:01:36 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember taking an TNJ "R" job to Fort/Camp Drum up near Watertown NY. It had a leaky valve cover so it spit oil all over the back of the bus and on the 8 cylinder bus behind me. Then it started overheating on the way back with National Guardsmen from Queens. We got them there but the foreman faced my wrath the next day. (An "R" job was a 1961 SDM 6 cyl)
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Oct 15 13:51:45 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by NJT Oradell on Thu Oct 15 10:42:06 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That's a function of a defective engine, not it being a Fishbowl or 6 cylinders. I would think a long highway drive to blow out the carbons would have been good for them, like your car.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Thu Oct 15 13:58:53 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 15 13:51:45 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Detroit 6-71s and 6V-71s were well known for those oil leaks. Had nothing to do with "blowing them out" on the highway... the 6-71 was standard equipment on the PD4104 and they leaked the same way.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Oct 15 14:53:42 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 15 13:58:53 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember the PD4104 for their stench. Perhaps the 6-71 was leakier than the 6V-71 ? When I visited Yellowstone Park in 2010, they still had 8 MC-5C's (the ones that had an MC8 rear end). They were about 33 years old and am pretty sure they had 6V-71's.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Thu Oct 15 16:47:29 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 15 14:53:42 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Being a straight-6, the 6-71 only had one valve cover, while the 6V71 had two - but the inboard side of the 6V would just shoot oil all over the engine compartment and firewall.
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Posted by JAzumah* on Thu Oct 15 20:31:28 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 15 13:58:53 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yep...the 6V/8V family all leak oil. As long as you kept the engine clean, the regulators always let small leaks go for that reason.
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Posted by busdude2* on Sat Oct 17 17:33:41 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 15 20:31:28 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Seems like it should have been fixed by the builder or engine maker.
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Posted by kcram3500* on Sat Oct 17 21:31:18 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by busdude2 on Sat Oct 17 17:33:41 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d At that point in time, they were the same... GMC bus, Detroit engine - both General Motors. That was what you lived with on those old 2-strokers. The 71- and 92-series engines were only killed off by the tougher emissions regs of the early 90s... otherwise, operators just accepted those oil leaks as a cost of doing business because the engines were otherwise very reliable.
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Posted by NJT Oradell* on Sun Oct 18 10:42:49 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by kcram3500 on Sat Oct 17 21:31:18 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, the oil leaks and vast differences in performance from one engine to another was just a cost of doing business until Penske took over Detroit Diesel in a 1988 deal. But by that time the emissions regulations saw the end of the two stroke engines. All the computer controls in the world couldn't overcome the inherent dirtiness that two strokes made, and US production stopped in 1995. But they were, when properly built and maintained, very good bus engines for power on demand, low cost and reliability.
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Posted by njbus25* on Mon Oct 19 21:52:27 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by NJT Oradell on Wed Oct 14 12:36:24 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Rockland/R&T merged the 25 with the 11C in 1992 running it through New Milford and Bergenfield. Rockland/R&T discontinued the 11C last year and Saddle River Tours took it over operating it at greatly reduced service. I'm actually surprised they have continued running the 2-4 weekend trips. I don't believe ridership is very high.
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Posted by njbus25* on Mon Oct 19 21:59:32 2015, in response to Re: Long gone NJ Bus Lines, posted by njbus25 on Mon Oct 19 21:52:27 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Several vintage northern NJ timetables posted here: http://njbus.blogspot.com/2013/12/red-and-tan-lines-route-25-1959.html
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