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Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:16:15 2014, in response to Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 15 20:30:52 2014. Short answer = yes.Long answer = both companies operate independently of each other on the driver side, but share revenues, terminals, schedules and (in this case) buses on the front end. With Adirondack, there are several different configurations for Albany-KIngston-New York. 1. There are a few locals based out of Albany and New York that operate NY-Kingston-Albany local via Route 32, round trip. It runs as a 5 and 2, or 5 days on, 2 days off. 2. There are local Kingston-New York runs that operate via Route 32 based out of Kingston. These also run 5 and 2. These include the Hudson Valley commuter runs. 3. There are Albany-New York express runs that operate express. Some of these are 5 and 2, and there may be one or two that are 6 and 1 (6 days on, 1 day off). 4. Finally you have the NY-Albany-Montreal runs, both the express and the local via Saratoga/Glen Falls/Plattsburg. These are based out of NY and typically run 4 and 3. With Greyhound, its either option 3 or 4 listed above, but worked out of New York but with the following configuration in the case of NY-Montreal: 5 drivers operate one single run but on a rotation (Greyhound LOVES driver rotations) - each driver does a 4 and 2 (4 days on, 2 days off rotating. There are 1 or 2 runs that start in Albany, but that's it. In any case, a run is typically performed by an extra-board driver 50-60% of the time. I hope this helps. |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Aug 15 21:47:54 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:16:15 2014. Would somebody be able to describe the run I often see leaving Massapequa for upstate NY about 9:45 each morning? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:54:37 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by Joe on Fri Aug 15 21:47:54 2014. Joe, it's an Albany run that starts out the day before departing around 5pm. It ends in Babylon around 11pm and the driver goes to bed.More than likely it's run as a 4 and 3 (4 days working, 3 days off) or a 6 and 1 (6 days working, 3 days off) or it's a split with a Albany-NY round trip. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 15 22:21:48 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:16:15 2014. Thanks a lot. So is it like a pool of drivers that do the same run. For instance, a driver leaves Albany arrives in NY, does he take a break and return back or does he go back to Albany to start out another trip? The buses that service SUNY Albany are they extra pieces of work, most run straight through to NY but some actually end 15 minutes later at Albany Bus Terminal where you have to transfer for whatever destination you desire. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 22:40:55 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 15 22:21:48 2014. Each schedule may or may not be split into different runs based on their configuration, which at times changes according to the day of the week.Regarding your example, an Adirondack driver will typically "turn" or return "live" or driving to Albany. A layover can be as short as 45 minutes or as long as 4 hours. Some SUNY Albany runs are operated as a thru into the terminal and onto New York and vice versa. Some are transfers to the Adirondack local to Glen Falls/Warrensburg and others may be a transfer onto a bus that came from Long Island. It all depends on what time and what day. Typically you will have more thru buses on Friday and Sunday during the school year and during holiday breaks. With Greyhound, if that driver is not the regular Montreal or 6-1 Albany driver, their schedule is determined by the dispatchers in Dallas, who then tell the Port dispatchers what to do. The driver may start as a Albany one way to New York and end up in Richmond, DC, or Atlantic City depending on operational needs and how many hours the driver has.... |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 15 23:07:14 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 22:40:55 2014. So really either way there is no set runs. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 23:29:08 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 15 23:07:14 2014. There is, but set for the segments and the days of the week for which they operate.It's somewhat the same as with transit - many routes are interlined with others and runs are cut to create driver schedules. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Aug 16 08:45:50 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 23:29:08 2014. Are the actual buses the same way? I've learned Trailways has their own set group of buses: Adirondack, New York, Pine Hills. I notice the buses I take to the city are often close in numbers.What are the actual routes for the runs then, Do they have internal route numbers to tell each apart? |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Aug 17 18:03:46 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Sat Aug 16 08:45:50 2014. In conjunction with my last post, I just picked up the Summer 2014 Schedule brochure. When reading it by chance are the actual schedule numbers the driver's run? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Aug 17 18:53:51 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Sun Aug 17 18:03:46 2014. No, those are the schedule numbers corresponding to the individual trip.Run numbers are completely different and are for internal use only. Regarding your last post, here is the easiest way to identify what's Adirondack, Pine Hill and New York (with a few exceptions): 1. Anything involving Albany is an Adirondack Run (Table 7100, 7103, 7104, 7108, 7111 and 7112). 2. Kingston going south on Route 32 to NY is generally Adirondack but also has a few Pine Hill runs mixed in. 3. North of Kingston (Table 7102) is Pine Hill. 4. Anything west of Syracuse is New York Trailways, as well as half of the Syracuse-Massena run (Table 7109). |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Aug 17 19:29:49 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Aug 17 18:53:51 2014. What's the difference between a schedule number and a route number? Do you have a fleet list for each bus group? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Aug 17 20:04:06 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Sun Aug 17 19:29:49 2014. Schedule number is the identifier for that trip - like how a flight number is the identifier for a particular airline schedule.Route number is similar to a schedule number, but it is the identifier for all the schedules in that particular route. I don't have a fleet list, sorry. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Aug 17 20:34:04 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Aug 17 20:04:06 2014. Not a problem. Does each route have a number to tell them apart or you just go by the names in the schedule? |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Aug 19 08:55:42 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Aug 17 20:04:06 2014. Also, how many picks do you have a year? |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 20 19:15:52 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Tue Aug 19 08:55:42 2014. Question: I have taken the same trips so far back and forth to the city. I noticed the 730am trip from Albany went straight to New York my first time but the second time it dropped off a person at Ridgewood and on the 630pm back to Albany it went straight to Albany on the first trip but stopped in Kingston on the second trip. Does it vary by day or by ridership demand? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 21:35:40 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 20 19:15:52 2014. Yes depending on the situation. Yes in the first case because there is a "drop only" stop in Ridgewood. If the driver doesn't have any tickets for there, then there's no stop.Yes regarding demand in the second case because that 6:30 to Albany is supposed to go to Montreal without the stop in Kingston. However, if the Kingston commuter bus is full, there isn't an extra section available (or it's only a few people) and there's room on the Montreal bus, then yes it makes sense to just take the extra people and drop them off. Every intercity carrier has a clause in their contract of carriage stating that they are not responsible or liable for any last minute schedule changes. The Kingston stop is an example of that. |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 20 22:52:33 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 21:35:40 2014. Is the Kingston commuter part of trailways? The driver on one of my trips was saying depending on the run the maximum is 15 hours but typically runs are 9 does that include layover? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 23:36:48 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 20 22:52:33 2014. Yes it is - they are Adirondack runs from my understanding.And yes to hours of service. A driver is only allowed to be on-duty a total of 15 consecutive hours within a 24 hour period and can only drive 10 of those 15. Regarding commuter runs - what a driver is supposed to log are the pieces of work they are "on duty," while everything else is supposed to be logged off-duty unless they are working another piece of work in the middle. For example: Driver X has bid a commuter run Monday through Friday that runs the Kingston local via Route 32, departing at 7:00am and returning at 6:00pm. This is what he would log: On-Duty, Not Driving Report to Terminal (Hurley, NY): 6:00am Pre-Trip Bus (Hurley, NY): 6:10-6:30am On-Duty, Driving Departs Terminal Hurley, NY): 6:30am Arrives Kingston for line service: 6:45am On-Duty, Not Driving Loads passengers in Kingston: 6:45am-7:00am On-Duty, Driving Departs Kingston via Route 32 Local: 7:00am Arrives New York Port Authority: 9:10am On-Duty, Not Driving Unloads passengers, reports to dispatch: 9:10-9:20am On-Duty, Driving Departs Port Authority to Layover location: 9:20-10:00am Off-Duty: 10:00am-5:00pm On-duty, Not Driving Pre-Trips Bus and Prepares for Evening run: 5:00-5:10pm On-duty, Driving Departs Layover location to Port Authority: 5:10pm Arrives Port Authority for schedule: 5:50pm On-duty, Not Driving Loads passengers at Gate: 5:50-6:00pm On-Duty, Driving Departs New York for Kingston via Route 32 Local: 6:00pm Arrives Kingston: 8:20pm On-duty, Not driving Unloads passengers: 8:20-8:25pm On-Duty, Driving Departs Kingston: 8:25pm Arrives Terminal (Hurley): 8:40pm On-Duty, Not driving Post-trip, Completes paperwork, submits to dispatch: 8:40pm-9:00pm Off Duty: 9:00pm Total Hours: On-Duty Not Driving: 1hr, 40 min On-Duty Driving: 6hr, 20 min On-Duty Total: 8hr If you count the total hours end to end, it's 15 hours. However, even if it was over 15 hours the run is still legal because the driver was not on-duty for the entire duration of the 15 hours - the driver only worked 8 of the 15 and was off duty for 7. This is called a split-shift or a tripper schedule. The key word here in the regulation is consecutive. In the case of a select few companies (most notably Academy), most of the senior drivers are given a charter or contract job in between their commuter runs. They are able to balance it out legally either by juggling the commuter runs so that the drivers are "scheduled" with enough time off between runs, or the jobs are worked so that they are within the 15 hour driving rule. I hope this clarifies a few things.... |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 23:38:21 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 23:36:48 2014. *Correction, 15 hour on-duty rule, not driving rule in the last line.Gosh - I feel like I'm back to giving log classes :) |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Aug 21 09:35:01 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Aug 20 23:36:48 2014. Thank you understood. If I can ask are you a driver or like a dispatcher? In the schedule is each section its own route, or is just split up into segments? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Thu Aug 21 09:41:26 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Thu Aug 21 09:35:01 2014. Before I started my company I was a supervisor/Assistant Manager at BoltBus. I also cross trained in most operations and planning positions at Greyhound in Dallas as well.Regarding the schedule, if you're talking about Trailways each schedule is split into segments. A schedule is "sectioned" if there is a justified overload of passengers on any particular schedule. They would then operate another bus with another driver if available. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Aug 21 09:44:23 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Thu Aug 21 09:41:26 2014. That's pretty neat in Dallas with the whole country in front of you.Being Greyhound stops in Albany as well are trips mingled together and the operations people just know what trip is which? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Thu Aug 21 09:52:23 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Thu Aug 21 09:44:23 2014. With that particular route with Trailways (and its the same with Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo and Toronto), the service is "Pooled." Each schedule change, the revenue share is evaluated and the service level (and company assignments as to who does what) is determined.From there each company basically "cuts out" their own portions and develops a driver and equipment schedule. This pool is a bit different, as drivers and buses are qualified to be paired together in a single trip. For example, in the case of Toronto for example, it might be a Greyhound driver in a Greyhound bus to Syracuse and then a NY Trailways driver from Syracuse to Buffalo, then a Greyhound Canada driver takes it from Buffalo to Toronto. After it's been decided who does what and how, the schedules are plugged into the front line system (Trips) and the back end system (BOSS) and combined. Each company operates its own schedules and if extras are needed, they are worked by the company operating that particular trip. If they need help (Greyhound always needs help), then the other steps in. The PPB pool is similar, except the drivers are not allowed to drive each other's buses. And yes, it was really cool to oversee the national (and international) operation in Dallas. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 21 19:41:14 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:54:37 2014. Where the hell in Babylon do they have the driver stay? Not gonna lie, sounds like a sweet run |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Thu Aug 21 22:00:14 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 21 19:41:14 2014. Somewhere on Sunrise I think....very similar to the Meadowlands.Job pay is 8 hours straight in both directions. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 20:30:21 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 15 21:16:15 2014. UAlbany gives out schedules for the buses leaving campus to New York City. Its printed to that particular day, but what I don't understand is each time it shows different times but if I go on the actual Trailways website the schedule remains unchanged. Does anyone know why that is? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 29 21:27:55 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 20:30:21 2014. Extra sections not generally available to the public to supplement regular schedules is my guess - College Express. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 22:09:27 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 29 21:27:55 2014. Like all the times for the campus are shown on the public schedule on the trailways website. But on the schedules from campus some trips are disappeared sometimes other times it's not but it's so random even the trips. For example, a schedule printed 7/25 showed the 10:30 am the schedule printed today 8/29 shows the 710am now missing but the 1030am back on. It seems like whenever you get a schedule from the campus it's a different one each time even though the official schedule on the trailways website remains the same. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 29 22:34:46 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 22:09:27 2014. GLI/ADT just went through a system timetable change from Summer to Fall schedule on 8/20. Could be a contributing factor.I cannot speak for the website however.... |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 22:42:12 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 29 22:34:46 2014. Do they change twice every year? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Fri Aug 29 23:02:52 2014, in response to Re: Greyhound/Trailways Runs, posted by BusRider on Fri Aug 29 22:42:12 2014. For the GLI/ADT and GLI/NYT pools, its four times a year:Winter - January Spring - March/April Summer - June/July Fall - August/September Lots of factors go into why the schedule changes, primarily seasonal demand and capacity control. These factors are then boiled down into a public schedule and driver schedules. |
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