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Posted by caine515 on Sat Jun 16 12:51:33 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mci guy on Fri Jun 15 16:16:05 2012. Nope. S6 was what became S66. S112 served Willowbrook. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jun 16 13:06:17 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:29:56 2012. Great pics!And that third one down, the Staten Island one... "To Carteret Fry" ... as in the ferry that once ran between the end of Victory Blvd and Carteret, NJ that stopped running in 1929? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jun 16 19:17:37 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 16 01:03:21 2012. Of course Jamaica Buses kept their's the longest. Those at Queens Surface stayed 'til about '91 or so. The Grummans at GBL and TCC quietly left too, but I think the MCI Classics actually pushed them out. |
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Posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Sat Jun 16 20:38:41 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Jun 14 22:07:42 2012. Got mixed up w/ Command-sorry |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 16 20:43:44 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jun 16 13:06:17 2012. Thanks! Yes, that destination sign was funny...that's like seeing a destination sign saying "69th Street Pier" on the B-9 in Brooklyn in 2012! :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 16 20:44:51 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 16 07:34:37 2012. Oh ok, thanks! |
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Posted by hound on Sun Jun 17 01:23:49 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Fri Jun 15 07:23:54 2012. Hard to believe that sign still read "Carteret Ferry". That ceased running long before the Grummans came out. |
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Posted by hound on Sun Jun 17 01:25:52 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Mr RT on Fri Jun 15 22:39:57 2012. Not anymore! |
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Posted by hound on Sun Jun 17 01:27:25 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Jun 15 23:54:59 2012. Not only that,but I always found the brakes to be mushy. |
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Posted by hound on Sun Jun 17 01:31:49 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 16 20:43:44 2012. Or one saying "Elizabeth Ferry" on the R1(now S40) at the end of Richmond Terrace in Port Ivory. |
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Posted by regent23 on Sun Jun 17 08:44:55 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. Wow. The wapp ad on 277. A whole summer of commercial free rock on 103.5 I remember it like yesterday. |
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Posted by regent23 on Sun Jun 17 08:56:57 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jun 16 19:17:37 2012. Why did the city not.keep them when they seem to have done well for the pals and others |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sun Jun 17 09:55:53 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jun 16 19:17:37 2012. The TCC MCI Classics were for the express as the 870s were used for local service. Express service at TCC was the RTS buses 1979 RTS 03 1985 RTS 04 and 1986 RTS 06. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 10:34:08 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by regent23 on Sun Jun 17 08:56:57 2012. City as in NYCTA?David Gunn, president of NYCTA decided to prematurely remove them from service. The City of New York had no input as MTA, the parent agency, is a state entity. They were no worse than the RTS because some of them burnt up prematurely too. I specificially a 1982 RTS, I believe the # was 1633 a Staten island unit, that was destroyed by fire, stored at Fesh Pond Yard for years, keeping company with older beese that had faithfully served out their careers. David Gunn did not like Grummans, he wasn't in charge when they were ordered, and he wanted them out. He may have bought subway equipment into a state of good repair, but deep down he was a power freak. He is the reason why we have so many superintendants in NYCT, they're a dime a dozen, falling all over each other. I long for the old days when the dispatcher was in charge and he told the trainmaster what he did. But I digress into SubChat territory. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 10:54:06 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 10:34:08 2012. David Gunn did not like Grummans, he wasn't in charge when they were ordered, and he wanted them out.I'm not sure it was a matter of Gunn not liking the Grummans - as WMATA chief about ten years later, he OK'd the ordering of Flxible Metros. I think what it was is that he was new to the NYCT job, he wanted to make a splash coming in, and the Grummans were a convenient scapegoat. The A-frame problem had been solved and the fire that convinced Gunn to pull the fleet was later found to have been caused by deficient maintenance, not a design defect. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Jun 17 16:07:04 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by hound on Sun Jun 17 01:31:49 2012. :-) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:36:54 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 10:54:06 2012. I always thought that was more about politics than anything else. Anyone around New York in those days knows that NYCTA maintenance practices were horrible. The fact that the PBL Grumman 870s kept rolling along with some at MSBA and eventually 620 of the ex-NYCTA/MaBSTOA Grummans at NJTransit is more than convincing that the TA made a moronic move in dumping the Grummans. I still remember the NYDaily News direct quote from (then) Mayor Koch - "Junk The Junk".I think the Grumman 870s (with their issues) were truly no worse than those early NYCTA RTS. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Jun 17 17:40:38 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:36:54 2012. And, like I said in the past, Gunn himself was quoted as saying there are many in the industry that feel the RTS is not such a hot bus.Then came issues with RTS wheels coming off, rear doors opening during runs, and of course, the sealed windows. It was soooo ironic that when Gunn went to DC, his best buses were the Flxibles. jrc |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:40:53 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sun Jun 17 09:55:53 2012. True, but remember... The PBLs regularly used their local buses on express routes, especially the newer buses. In fact with TCC, their 03 series RTS and GMDD fishbowls spent most of their years doing only express service. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:48:34 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by r17-6599 on Sun Jun 17 17:40:38 2012. Agreed. Not to mention a passenger was fatally injured when the rear doors of a WMATA RTS 03 series suddenly opened as the bus rounded a traffic circle. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Sun Jun 17 18:29:19 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:36:54 2012. I remember when Mayor Koch took a trip to Egypt. A news video showed him on a camel at the Pyramids and he stated, "these (the camels) are better than those Grumman buses."I tried searching YouTube but couldn't find this clip. Don't know if it still exists or was ever saved. |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:44:10 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Sat Jun 16 12:48:12 2012. 256-321 and pa24-50 to be exact. also some 400 series coaches for a while. those were lift equipped. |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:50:52 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Sat Jun 16 12:51:33 2012. yea youre right, but where did s112 terminate in those days not at ferry? |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:53:31 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jun 16 13:06:17 2012. i see run sign was being used as a route sign. |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 20:07:13 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 17:48:34 2012. i drove grummans and they SUCKED. the rts had some problems but was and is a far better bus than grumman or otion. gunn was right to pull them. there were loads of problems with them. |
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Posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 20:45:13 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:44:10 2012. Thank you. Because i remember riding PA31,PA33 and #300 series a lot on the B5 and B3 route. There is a picture of them in a Bus World trying to maneuver through a snowstorm in 1983. I was on those buses on the B3. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 22:11:51 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:53:31 2012. That was quite common at OA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jun 18 00:15:22 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 19:50:52 2012. At Jewett and Watchogue, connecting with the S6. |
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Posted by mci guy on Mon Jun 18 08:02:06 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 20:45:13 2012. my grumman got stuck in a snowdrift on the b1 and i spent 12 hours in manhattan beach. |
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Posted by mci guy on Mon Jun 18 08:06:02 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jun 18 00:15:22 2012. thanks. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jun 18 09:10:52 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 10:34:08 2012. Bill, I recall, 1625 burning to the ground out in Staten Island [Yukon]never turned a wheel in service, I have photos of it & it also took 1 or 2 others [ Fishbowls / Flex's] with it. There also was a 9000 series Flex [ 9078 ? ] that burned up while under warranty that sat out at Linden Yard, for many years in the corner closest to the hot dog stand, I have shots of that one as well, in fact that's why 199 Grumman, became the T.A.'s property, it was the warranty replacement for the 9000. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Jun 18 17:04:17 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 20:07:13 2012. I understand that you as a B/O who drove the Grumman Flxibles didn't like them. But, the TA was alleging that the buses were unfit for duty on NYC. I call it BS because the PBLs were able to operate their Grummans (which were an add-on to the TA's order) for years. No one doubts that Grumman was at-fault for the A-frame issues, but that other stuff is on the TA. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 18 17:56:27 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jun 18 09:10:52 2012. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 20 02:36:43 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jun 18 09:10:52 2012. There was a 9300 stored there in Linden Yard also. I don't remember exactly which number but why did they seem to have scrap buses stored there? |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 08:18:43 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 10:34:08 2012. Bill,1625 also burned up at YUK and was stored right next to 1633 in FP Storage. I shot slides of both of them. Other burn-ups were 3293 (took out Blitz 5304 & Flx 9273 with it inside HUD Depot), 3315, 3548, 3702, 4396, 8075 (fire caused by 3548 inside GH Depot), 9656 (twice). If I missed any, feel free to add them! FYI, David Gunn screwed up every transit system he got his hands on! Did you know he is personally responsible at SEPTA for getting rid of any commuter train service that wasn't electric? In 1981 he wiped out the entire ex-Reading line from Philly all the way to Pottsville, PA (via Reading)??? That's why the highways into Philly are so clogged up to this day!!! |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jun 20 17:07:58 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 10:34:08 2012. Correct!Same in buses. He eliminated the Senior Dispatcher title which was an open competitive exam and made the new title of deputy superintendent which was a resume/interview title. And to this day its why every depot and division in buses has so many managers doing nothing! |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 20 17:31:52 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 08:18:43 2012. That's why I never saw 3315 (or maybe even 3293)at FP when 3294-3325 were transferred over. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Jun 21 07:54:06 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 08:18:43 2012. he was nycta president from 1980-1984 at least and i believe he lasted until 1990 so this must have been before then. thats when allan kiepper took over. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Jun 21 09:19:58 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 20 02:36:43 2012. Linden Shop / yard, was a dual purpose place for many years. They did track panels along with bus scrapping & other minor work. Buses were stored in the yard. I have photos of 1000's, 2000's, 3000's & 5000's & the 9000 [9078 ?] that caught fire out in that yard. In fact, I have a photo of now Museum fishbowl # 100 outside in the yard, without windows being stripped because they had decided to make # 1 the Museum Bus, but when they started to work on # 1, they discovered that the chassis was rotted out beyond repair and they went looking for another candidate and the shop foreman @ Linden told them that they had #100 there, it runs & all that we have done is take all the windows out. They reinstalled the windows and the next day # 100 was driven over to ENY base shop. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Thu Jun 21 11:20:35 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 08:18:43 2012. FYI, David Gunn screwed up every transit system he got his hands on!Let's not forget the original 'smart' farebox, maufactured by GFI. It was referred to as "Gunns a F*cking Idiot"!! STILL LOL@G F I |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jun 21 22:45:53 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 16 01:03:21 2012. Jamaica Buses had their Grunmanns until 2001, i think the last one was taken out of service in the Fall of 2001 |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Jun 21 23:14:54 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by R32_3671 on Thu Jun 21 22:45:53 2012. If anything, they were pulled from service at JBL early in 2001. I used to see them while riding the Q3 to JFK Airport, around that time. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 22 08:38:46 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Jun 21 23:14:54 2012. That's impressive. I was in NYC in June 1994, and I saw a Grumman operating for JBL, but I had no idea that they lasted that long afterwards (I did not see any during my 1999 visit).By comparison, SCRTD got rid of their last ones in mid-1993, though the disposition started around 1989 or 1990. Around mid-1990, RTD sold 9 Grummans to Gardena Municipal Bus Lines, who used them solely for school trippers. They lasted at Gardena until 1995. Santa Monica got rid of their 1979 Grummans fairly quickly (mid-80s), but their 1981 models lasted until the early 90s. Orange County had some from 1978 and disposed of theirs fairly quickly as well (saw one used in an episode of "Hunter" around 1987 or 1988, another one (or the same one?) was parked behind the Scientology building on Hollywood Blvd for years. |
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