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Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jul 22 02:14:29 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. Well for starters, the "15" route at 54th St became the M32 I believe.Also, from what I was told some runs on that route branched off to that "16" Elmhurst Crosstown, which became the Q89. That route was a "WTF" route in my opinion but I'm sure someone here would disagree...like anyone from Elmhurst. |
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Posted by Waynejay on Wed Jul 22 09:31:18 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. That sounds about right. Since I was born in the 60s, I didn't really start knowing the routes and depots until the mid 70s at the earliest. I do know some stuff had moved around by then. For instance, M8, M11, M14, M16, M21, M26 were at Hudson depot. I never knew the Bx30 ever operated from AMS. I do remember it being at 146th (OFS) until it was combined with the old Bx31 to from today's Bx19.At Coliseum: The 5A later became Bx54 The 17 (today's Bx26) used to be 15C There was also the 15B which became Bx19 and later eliminated. Also the 15A became later it was extended to Co-Op City became Bx6 (now Bx30). This is how I remember the other Bronx routes when I was a kid in the 70s. Kingsbridge 1 Concourse-138th Street 2 Concourse Hub 3 Prospect Ave (now Bx17) 4 Bainbridge Ave (now Bx34) 10 (now Bx7) 11 20 Bronx Park-Van Cortlandt (now Bx9) 24 Bailey Ave 34 163 Street Crosstown (now Bx6) 35 167 Street Crosstown 37 Ogden Ave (now Bx13 38 University Ave (now Bx3) 41 Webster Ave And of course the Bx55 West Farms 25 Morris Jerome Ave (now Bx32) 26 Boston Rd Morris Park Ave (now Bx21) 27 Clason Point 28 Williamsbridge (now Bx39) 29 Third Ave Willis Ave (now Bx15) 31 Southern Blvd (combined with 30 to from today's Bx19) 32 St Anns Ave (eliminated) 33 138 Street Crosstown 36 180 Street Crosstown Even later when the borough prefixes were added to the rollsigns... West Farms signs had some reading that I could never figured out. They were: 1 Shorehaven, 2 Shorehaven and 3 Shorehaven |
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Posted by Andy on Wed Jul 22 10:03:23 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. This list is not the original MABSTOA assignment sheet, which was in 1962 when MABSTOA was created. This looks like the 1970-72 period when many routes were reassigned from the original Fifth Ave. Coach or Surface Transit depots. By this time most of the buses were GMC 5303s and most of the old look GMs were gone (a few were still on the 132nd St. Depot routes).Nice job on this. I remember these routes and their garage assignments. Was living in Manhattan at the time so I saw these buses every day. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 22 10:52:09 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. Would the 16 from Coliseum be today's Bx41 and the 17 Allerton be today's Bx26?Also, the 23 was later combined with the 8. As for the 18, was that combined with the 49, or was the 49 something else? Thanks, but that list just begets more questions. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Wed Jul 22 11:16:21 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Andy on Wed Jul 22 10:03:23 2009. You are correct. When Mabstoa came into creation in Sept (?) 1962 they still used the old FACC and STS garages.I remember that the FACC routes 15 and 16 used a depot on Northern Blvd and 77th Street (?) near the 82nd and Northern Terminus. I believe that the depot became a car dealership after Mabstoa pulled out. Also they kept the # 15 designation for a while, then it became the M32, now Q32 |
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Posted by Waynejay on Wed Jul 22 12:36:02 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 22 10:52:09 2009. Would the 16 from Coliseum be today's Bx41 and the 17 Allerton be today's Bx26?Also, the 23 was later combined with the 8. As for the 18, was that combined with the 49, or was the 49 something else? The old 16 became Bx16 which had it north terminal at Mundy Ln & Pitman. Later it was combined with the old Bx14 to form today's Bx16. Today's Bx41 is pretty much the same except N/B buses continued on WPR to 241 Street then right on 241st to Baychester Ave. It would layover there and then make a u-turn for the S/B trip. Yes, the 17 Allerton Ave (which was originally 15C) is today's Bx26. Yes, you're correct with the 23 and 8 combining to form today's Bx8. The 49 operated from the old Morrisania Hospital to 161st-River Ave. The service was eliminated. The 18, IIRC is pretty much the same as today's Bx18. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Jul 22 18:44:20 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jul 22 02:14:29 2009. Correct, Fifth Avenue route "15" became the M32 which is now the Q32.As for the "16" later Q89, I never knew this route existed until I seen this route listed in a book of street listings I once had. The only time I recall seeing a bus running the Q89 was around 1980 or so using RTS 2222. I have no information on ridership totals but I can assume it was light. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Jul 22 19:29:48 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. Note: 15B was Baychester Ave.; 49 was called HIGHBRIDGE.jrc |
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Posted by The pipe on Wed Jul 22 19:33:00 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Waynejay on Wed Jul 22 12:36:02 2009. 126st St was a Surface Transit Depot when the city took over. It was the newest Depot they had. I don't know what lines where there. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jul 22 19:54:45 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jul 22 18:44:20 2009. Ridership on the Q89 (From Northern Blvd and 82nd St across 82nd St to Queens Blvd) consisted of 3 regular women in the morning, and the self proclaimed Mayor of Elmhurst, who rode to check up on the line!Other riders were idiots that got on on 82nd St thinking it was an M32, and screamed when the bus didn't turn on Roosevelt Ave! LOL |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Jul 23 22:00:27 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jul 22 19:54:45 2009. Bx-24 (Bailey Ave.) was eliminated due to lack of ridership and horrendous service.First bus was about 7:45 AM, last bus 4:45 PM (M-F). Headway was 36 minutes rush hours, 48 minutes midday. Saturday, first bus 10 AM, last bus 4:30 PM, with headway 48 minutes. No Sunday service. It ran from W. 256 St. - Fieldston Rd. to Fordham Plaza. Bus stop signs stated that the no standing regulation was only in effect Monday-Saturday 7 AM to 7 PM. You were able to park in the Bx-24 bus stops all other times. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jul 23 23:16:21 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Jul 23 22:00:27 2009. Yeah - I rode the Bx24 plenty of times, but it was usually because it just happened to show up. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Thu Jul 23 23:50:22 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Jul 23 22:00:27 2009. I remember taking this bus when I was younger, they should bring it back and run it past the mall on 225 St with better headways. I'm sure more people would use it compared to the Bx20I think it was more so the headways than a lack of riders that did the route in. You can't possibly try and wait for a bus with those headways. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 24 01:12:11 2009, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Jul 23 22:00:27 2009. 4:45 PM in NYC? That one I don't get. Other than the Q89 today, the only routes (local) in NYC running like that today are the S55, S56, and Q79. |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jul 26 00:14:14 2009, in response to Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jul 22 01:12:53 2009. The M18 used to be a variant of today's M3 and used to run the full route. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 18 18:01:29 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jul 22 18:44:20 2009. Fifth Avenue Rt 16 Elmhurst Crosstown was always a remote and lighly used route. It was mainly for residents of Elmhurst to transfer to Rt 15 to Manhattan.When NYC Municipal Airport (now LaGuardia) opened in 1940 it was extended to the airport. It ran ther until 1942 when all service on the 16 was suspended to conserve fuel and rubber for the war effort. When the 16 returned in 1945, the airport extension did not.It, along with the 15 were housed in the Fifth Avenue garage built on Northern & 77 St in Jackson Heights in 1925 when service began.When MABSTOA took over in 1963 it closed Jackson Heights garage and all 15 & 16 buses were transferred to 54 St., causingalot of deadheading for 16.About 1983 the rt designation was change to Q89. It was planned to extend the line to Queens Blvd & 63 Dr, a major shopping area, but it never happened. It was discontinued in 1988, along with other TA bus cutbacks. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Mar 18 19:45:23 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Waynejay on Wed Jul 22 09:31:18 2009. There is one route that you forgot that was assigned to theWest Farms Depot - Bx42 Westchester Avenue (Now Bx4). MWAP |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Mar 18 20:07:21 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Mar 18 19:45:23 2012. Yup - You're right. I'll always remember the Bx42 at Westchester Sq as the sole WF route along with a bunch of COL routes. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Mar 18 21:21:36 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by WayneJay on Sun Mar 18 20:07:21 2012. There was another West Farms route at Westchester Square.The Bx21-Pelham Bay Park. The route was discontined on Feb. of 1970, and combined with route Bx22-County Club. MWAP |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Mar 18 22:23:37 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Jul 23 22:00:27 2009. Yup, that route ran a block from where I live in Riverdale. It was a strange one, especially the loop around Fieldston Rd. I always wondered if it was a successor to a trolley line. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 18 23:41:20 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 24 01:12:11 2009. The Q79? |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Mar 18 23:49:14 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 18 18:01:29 2012. Thanks for the great little history of a nearly forgotten little bus route. Just one little correction - the 16 became the Q89 on July 1, 1974, during the renumbering of many MaBSTOA lines to eliminate duplication (three 15s in Manhattan) and bus routes with letter suffixes such as the M101A (M102), Bx5A (Bx54) and several others. It was also when the 15 became the M32 and the Triborough Bridge TB routes became M35 and Bx21. |
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Posted by hound on Mon Mar 19 02:46:54 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 24 01:12:11 2009. The Q79 actually ran til about 7:30pm. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Mar 19 09:05:59 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Hart Bus on Wed Jul 22 11:16:21 2009. Just for the record, MaBSTOA was formally created by an act of the New York State Legislature this date 50 years ago back then on March 19, 1962. After the City of New York made condemnation proceedings in taking over the physical properies, equipment and fleets of Fifth Avenue Coach and Surface Transit, regular service operations started slowly to begin about four days later.-William A. Padron ["MaBSTOA...Happy 50th!"] |
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Posted by B1bus on Mon Mar 19 17:51:18 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 18 23:41:20 2012. This thread is from 2009. |
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Posted by Transitbuff on Tue Mar 20 23:01:46 2012, in response to Re: Original MaBSTOA Route Assignments Help, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 24 01:12:11 2009. M13 8th St Crosstown- 12th St. Depot, also. |
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