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oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 01:13:13 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 22:53:00 2006.

Remember, the Q60 bus just goes via Queens Blvd, and down Sutphin a little bit, just like the originally trolley did, and yet, it is PACKED. I know it sounds crazy, and it's hard for even me to believe, considering both LIRR and the subway are there, but a reversion of the Q60 to LRT would work(only problem is how to get it to Manhattan, since everyone here says the 59th St bridge can't handle the weight of trolleys anymore).

First off, I don't think an area that already has 2 subway lines is an area where a large, and costly, capitol improvement needs to be made. Second, the Q60 only runs at an 8 minute headway. It hardly qualifies as a line where LRT would be a better alternative.

I would say the only downfall to LRT on the Rockaway ROW is the lack of a tunnel to Manhattan, yes. That's the only reason I would say subway is better. However, if there was some way into Manhattan(such as the 59th St bridge), then I think LRT would be the best bet.

Not at all. The problem with LRT is that if it's going into manhattan, it will become overburdened with riders to the point that it would need to be heavy rail (unless it's fashioned after the useless B51 bus). You would be spending a lot of money on infrastructure, and once your costs get that high, you'd really be better served by building heavy rail. As far as the Queensboro Bridge, Even if it could support LRT (i'm sure that a light weight LRT could be devised for the bridge) it's not likely to happen, as the car traffic on the bridge is already too great to sacrifice a lane of traffic.

And just because you don't think a certain place in a boro isn't practical for LRT, doesn't mean you're right. Look at the bus lines, the ones that have frequent service and run on roads that are wide enough to support LRT.

Most of said buses run on roads not wide enough for such a project. For example, in brooklyn, the most heavily used bus is the B41 (and the B44/46 aren't far behind). None of these buses are candidates for LRT, because of the roads they run on. In some circumstances, it would be better to operate a subway alternative to decrease bus overcrowding.

Maybe the Bronx needs a crosstown line? I believe in Brooklyn, the crosstown buses are packed. If one of them can be converted to LRT, don't you think it'd be worth it?

No, I don't. It would be money wasted that could be spent on improving subway service in Queens or Brooklyn.

Hey, I am all for a trolley around Coney Island. I think it would be a great tourist attraction. I think it could even be tied in with an LRT/trolley line along the Brooklyn waterfront if/when the Gowanus is sunk, and tie that in with the downtown Brooklyn area trolley project.

Such a project would be a GREAT tourist attraction, but I don't think the Gowanus will be sunk anytime soon, and I don't consider tourist type trollies to be transit.

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