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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 16:53:01 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 4 16:24:10 2008. Express trains between Woodside and Junction can get up to about 42mph according to the speedometers in the cabs.Does that speedometer have a calibration sticker? |
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Re:(Handles) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason. |
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Posted by MJF on Tue Mar 4 17:38:44 2008, in response to Re:(Handles) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Mar 4 16:34:44 2008. I generally held the controller with my left hand and guided it with my right, keeping my thumb on the indentation at coast. The nice thing about the R44/46 controller was that you could turn the handle to the left or right and slide it up to take power. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 18:19:38 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 16:53:01 2008. Does that speedometer have a calibration sticker?The R160 Between 25th Street and 9th Street Going northbound on F4 Track can do 50mph .. |
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Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 4 18:26:36 2008, in response to Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Jeff H. on Mon Mar 3 19:36:13 2008. The original BMT model 2s did not have a time release when a train was on the approach circuit. Instead when the train was on the approach, in order to fully normal the signal lever, the Tw/M would have to operate a small hand crank numbered for the associated signal lever on a box mounted on either the top or the side of the machine. After the crank had been turned a sufficient number of times, the signal would be able to be placed in the fully normal position. After the necessary switch movement was made, even though the signal lever was cleared, the signal in the field would not clear until the crank was restored to its original position. This device was referred to as a "screw release" not to be confused with the emergency screw release on model 5 and modified model 2s which ws used to throw a switch in the event of a track circuit failure. Some signals on the early model 2s did have a time release device on the lever itself but this was in effect all the time whether there was a train on the approach circuit or not and was usually on reverse dwarf signals or other signals used for reverse or other irregular moves. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 18:40:27 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 15:39:17 2008. "Trains seldom reach balancing speed; they seldom exceed 35 mph even on express runs."Not to change the subject, but I thank you for your correct use of semicolons. I have seen too many articles in print and letters and other items where commas have taken the place of semicolons. I thank you. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 18:52:59 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 18:19:38 2008. how does that compare with other train types (32s, 38s, 40s, 68s etc)? Are you scheduled to operate the delta? Or is this info from other people? Also, since there are no 160s in service on the Delta, did you run the test train?I imagine northbound is a down-grade in that area. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 18:55:13 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 16:53:01 2008. It is true, it can go fast between there. ride it sometime. 62As can be fast. Though i read about more timers added where they don't need to be by people who have nothing better to do.The installers/signal maintainers just follow orders, i guess. |
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Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 19:19:04 2008, in response to Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Jeff H. on Mon Mar 3 19:36:13 2008. i remember someone relied on those safety features, switching the track early, and causing the last car of an r46 to split in two. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 19:35:31 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 18:52:59 2008. how does that compare with other train types (32s, 38s, 40s, 68s etc)? Are you scheduled to operate the delta? Or is this info from other people? Also, since there are no 160s in service on the Delta, did you run the test train?I imagine northbound is a down-grade in that area. I wouldnt know never worked a R32,R38 on 4th Ave... Did operate a Slant on it 47 Mph Top Speed same area... Info isnt from other people.... Work the November(R160's) 2 days a week... Work the Delta 2(R68's) days a week... Work the Bravo one day a week.. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:31:59 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 19:35:31 2008. Geeze, forgot about that November express there. I am certain that the highest speeds you reached were in the tubes. 65mph? :DBy the way, nice taste in lines. Note that they are all somehow connected with the old BMT. Though they all go over that underbuilt Manny "The Tin Bridge" B. You must have a bit of seniority to run those lines. Maybe i am wrong, just my guess, cause i consider those to be nice lines. Bravo/Delta gets creepy in the Bronx, kind of underused, maybe due to fear of mugging, and the terminal looked like they used a mop made out of feces dipped in vommit to clean. I've yet to see any cleaning in stations by MTA personnel. Only contractors being paid for something which even they don't know about. Do all motormen have 3 or so different lines a week, or is that your choice to mix it up? I Think you MIGHT get some 32's on the November, as the R has gotten a few lately. Might be unrelated though, but a Brightliner might just snake itself into your hands. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 20:45:00 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:31:59 2008. "that underbuilt Manny "The Tin Bridge" B."You're the only one I've heard call it that. "Bravo/Delta gets creepy in the Bronx, kind of underused, maybe due to fear of mugging, " Are you a TA employee or just a wannabe who likes to fantasize and "talk shop?" I rode the D plenty of times in the Bronx, latest trip in 2004, and it was neither creepy nor underused. "I've yet to see any cleaning in stations by MTA personnel. Only contractors being paid for something which even they don't know about." It doesn't sound like you know any better. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:56:40 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 20:45:00 2008. Ron, i get the negative vibe again. Again "fantasize", and now i am a "wannabe". Wannabe what? Wannabe subway rider?You have a BAD attitude. I've ridden the uptown delta in the bronx more than once, and it IS underused, and creepy. You obviously have never been to the last stop either. Oh, and i maybe the only one who you have "heard" call it Manny "the tin bridge", but IT IS. Others can call it that too. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 21:02:34 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:56:40 2008. "i get the negative vibe again"Coming from you. You see lots of crime where there isn't, shit your pants describing what you see... You gotta pick up some social skills so you won't be so afraid of your own shadow while riding the subway. I've ridden the D all the way to 205 - because that's where my friends live who host me when I visit. Obviously people get off throughout the line, but 205 is not only not underused, it gets pretty good attention from cleaning crews (who have to wipe up your diarrhea every time you panic in that station). Nobody calls the Manny B the Tin Bridge except you. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 21:11:48 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:31:59 2008. Geeze, forgot about that November express there. I am certain that the highest speeds you reached were in the tubes. 65mph? :DSpeed limit in under river tubes is 35 mph... You must have a bit of seniority to run those lines. Not at all i just cant get one line with the same job for more than three days yet, lets see what the summer pick brings. Bravo/Delta gets creepy in the Bronx, kind of underused, maybe due to fear of mugging, and the terminal looked like they used a mop made out of feces dipped in vommit to clean. I've yet to see any cleaning in stations by MTA personnel. Only contractors being paid for something which even they don't know about. Not to me used to live on 183rd and Webster ave rode the Delta and the "CC" train a lot when i used to go to August Martin. Do all motormen have 3 or so different lines a week, or is that your choice to mix it up? Seniority based pick the lower your file number the quicker you pick, so you can do what you want the more time you have. I Think you MIGHT get some 32's on the November Unless Coney Island Barn REALLY needs a Jamacia R32(Thats the Barn that services those trains) i dont think that will happen The November is Base out of Coney Island Barn. So the Equipment that gets serviced there is the ones i will operate.. R40M's,R40Slants,R68's,R68A's,R160's.. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:23:14 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Mon Mar 3 22:33:39 2008. Ron, the impact of high speed cars is NOT nil for the passengers. It makes the line FASTER. If you ran 62s on the MFL(broad guage trucks), the passengers would notice hown it took longer to get to their destination. They would also notice how slow the cars are, and how they can't go above 22 miles on an up-grade.The stations ARE close, that is why the RAPID acceleration helps. Its not PCC performance, but still pretty fast. The cars are not "high speed"-they top out at 50-55 miles, they will just get you to 45+ miles between stations consistently, and quickly. PUT MFL stock on the Seven line, and people will be GLAD they arrived at their destination five or more minutes earlier than usual. News will spread that the subway service is faster, and more frequent, so more people will ride. THINK, Ron. Be positive. Stop with your BAD pescimistic attitude. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:28:22 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 21:02:34 2008. Man, STOP with your BAD attitude. What crime did i see? What "shit" in my pants? YOU are the one fantasizing now.What "panic" attacks. People will agree that the Manny B is The Tin Bridge. Ron. When the Moon comes out on a clear night... Look at it. It will make you a better, more complete human. Please, stop the BS. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Mar 4 21:30:50 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 21:11:48 2008. Speed limit in under river tubes is 35 mph...Unless a higher speed limit is posted? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:33:40 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 21:11:48 2008. Wait... you follow that limit, even if you gotta make up time, which is usually necessary with the frequent delays.I've never been on a train that didn't go above 35 miles in the tubes. I hope your answer was a joke. I KNOW you could hit 60+ miles down there. :D I was on a Brightliner that hit 55 recently. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Mar 4 22:42:59 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:33:40 2008. Wait... you follow that limit, even if you gotta make up timeYou can make up time a lot easier by adjusting acceleration just a bit, especially into stops. No need to get busted for speeding, or blow a timed signal. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 4 23:12:09 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 4 21:11:48 2008. Speed limit in under river tubes is 35 mph...1. How many river tubes have posted speeds higher than that? (Including GT signs) 2. How often would you figure that trains in tubes go faster than that? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 00:15:35 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 15:39:17 2008. Emergency braking stopping distance with 35% safety factor: @25 mph - 193.1 ft; @30 mph - 279.1; @35 mph -379.8; @40 mph - 496.1; @45 mph - 627.9. Something is wrong with the math, then. The design number which is ACTUALLY used by NYCT in laying out signals is an actual emergency braking distance of 437 feet on level tangent track. Adding a 35% safety gives 590 feet, not 496. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 00:20:54 2008, in response to Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by randyo on Tue Mar 4 18:26:36 2008. The screw release cranks on the side of a model 2 were forapproach locking release?? I always thought those were the emergency releases for unlocking a switch lever. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 00:21:42 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 15:39:17 2008. I have not measured what I speculate to be the greatest source of operator variability: travel time between stations.That variable is impossible to measure. Even moreso when timers get thrown in. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 01:07:30 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 4 16:53:01 2008. "Does that speedometer have a calibration sticker?"No calibration sticker. But I'll remember to think of that the next time someone gets busted with the radar gun. It's well known by motormen that the 7 express can go over 40 mph on the express run between Woodside and Junction. Supervision has even done radar checks to see how fast the trains were going and clocked many trains in the 40's. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 01:15:57 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 4 21:02:34 2008. 205 is pretty much considered a rundown station by everyone. |
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Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason.(Sorry I was not Home) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 5 01:42:11 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason.(Sorry I was not Home), posted by North-Easten T/O on Sun Mar 2 17:51:19 2008. As a result of CBTC, if the homeball at East 105 Street on Track Q1 is at danger, you can't enter the station at more than 2 MPH, and you literally crawl the entire length of the station until you make your station stop. (You know what I'm talking about.) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Mar 5 02:00:26 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason.(Sorry I was not Home), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 2 17:52:21 2008. Two minutes of overtime just entering a station with a bumping block does sound like TA intelligence |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 5 05:09:19 2008, in response to Re: (interlocking) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 00:20:54 2008. Not on the unmodified model 2s. The emergency switch release on most model 2s was merely a push button identical to the call on button. The switch release button was sealed like the screw release button on the model 5s and modified model 2s. All the Tw/M on a model 2 would have to do is break the seal (with appropriate authorization of course) and push the button. The switch detctor light would illuminate and while hoding the button in, the Tw/M could move the lever to the desired position. The unmodified model 2s also lacked call on buttons on the front of the machine but instead had a trigger operated lever on the back of the interlocking machine immediately behind the associated signal lever. When the trigger was pulled, the lever would extend out from the back of the machine about 6 inches and a call on signal would be displayed. There were intermediate modifications made to some of the model 2s where the call on signal was activated by a button on the front like on a model 5 but which retained the push button switch release. The final modification to the model 2s included an emergency screw release identical to those on the model 5s which required the insertion of a crank handle which was usually found in a designated place in the back of the machine. The specfic machines of this type which I operated were at Pacific St, 36 St, and Bedford Av on the 14 St Line. There may have been others but these were the only ones I was personally aware of. Another unique feature of all the BMT interlockings including those with model 5s was that unlike the IND interlockings, a train was not required to be on the approach circuit in order for a call on aspect to be displayed. In fact on the original unmodified model 2s with the call on levers on the back, operation of the call on lever with the associated signal lever in the clear position would cause the signal to drop to a call on aspect without having to first return the signal lever to the normal position. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 5 07:08:38 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 00:15:35 2008. Something is wrong with the math, then. The design number which is ACTUALLY used by NYCT in laying out signals is an actual emergency braking distance of 437 feet on level tangent track. Adding a 35% safety gives 590 feet, not 496.I used a spreadsheet, not Excel, so I didn't bother double checking. Let's try it using a calculator. At 40 mph and an average emergency braking rate of 3.2 mph/sec it will take 40/3.2 = 12.5 sec to stop. The stopping distance is: ½at2 or: s = 0.5 x 3.2 x (1.47 fps/mph) x 12.5 x 12.5 = 367.5 ft Add the 35% safety margin: 367.5 x 1.35 = 496.125 feet Emergency braking tests were conducted as part of the NTSB Williamsburg Bridge investigation. The results were included in the report. There were 3 tests: north and south on dry track and south on wet track. The emergency stopping distances from 40 mph were: 358.1; 402.0; and 490.4 feet respectively. N.B. 40 mph was the nominal starting velocity. The actual velocities were: 37.5; 39.5 and 39.2 mph, respectively. Despite the discrepancy between my calculations and the TA's design practices, let's not loose sight of the fundamental assertion. Service levels in excess of 30 tph can be achieved without station timers and with the T/O seeing only green signals. These levels can be obtained even with a signal system designed to thwart suicidal T/O's. The only difference between us is whether that maximum service level is 36 tph or 42 tph. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:19:53 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 4 23:12:09 2008. You are missing the point all i posted was the speed limit i never said how fast i went did I?If the rule says the Speed Limit in under the tubes is 35 Mph thats What im doing... Get it? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:24:43 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:33:40 2008. Wait... you follow that limit, even if you gotta make up time, which is usually necessary with the frequent delays.Go back and find out when i said i did 35 mph all i posted was the "rule" of under river tubes.. I've never been on a train that didn't go above 35 miles in the tubes. Thats good for you i dont care what other T/O's do as long they arent in front of me screwing up. I hope your answer was a joke Learn to read between the lines. I KNOW you could hit 60+ miles down there. So i have heard... I was on a Brightliner that hit 55 recently. Double-Nickel on Brighton?? Interesting... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:28:39 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Tue Mar 4 21:30:50 2008. Unless a higher speed limit is posted?From what i remember its still 35 mph now of course you have situations where that isnt the case. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 07:40:40 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:24:43 2008. Just to chide in for giggles ... the RULE is the RULE, good for you on being a good doo-bee. Keeps ya out of the house'o'weenies. Heh. I find it personally interesting though in that it shows how much things have changed since the days of arnines and BMT steels. Nice to have motors you can count on, wasn't always like that.When you had dubious trains and were planning to actually MAKE a grade, and couldn't count on RCI's to take it out of service merely because half your motors had turned into trailers, you were taught to ease off before a climb up the bridge out of DeKalb so as to let timers clear ahead of you and then GUN it once you got your R/10 marker in hopes of having enough "oomph" to get over the top. And on under-rivers, get all the speed you could when hitting the bottom so you could make the climb back out. BAD things happened if you were shy of motors and didn't operate that way. It was particularly acute on the Canarsie with those old beatup steels ... literally called "shooting the timers" since if you didn't run that way, you were boned on the climb back outta there. :) But then again, back then, if you actually FOLLOWED the rulebook, they'd take you out of service for "wildcat strike/job action." Heh. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:56:33 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 07:40:40 2008. I said what i had to say on the subject Kevin im sure my points was clear.;o) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 5 08:02:54 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 07:40:40 2008. I vivdly remember how the BMT standards would build up a full head of steam before bottoming out in the 14th St. tunnel. They would labor all the way uphill, their gear pitch dropping steadily until by the time the train reached First Ave. or Bedford Ave., it would be as low as B below middle C. Any lower and it would be, OK, everybody out and push! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 08:14:41 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 07:40:40 2008. But then again, back then, if you actually FOLLOWED the rulebook, they'd take you out of service for "wildcat strike/job action."Then that would've been a much better idea than the strike strategy, at least from my vantage point, while even relaying an important message. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Mar 5 08:20:34 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:31:59 2008. You must have a bit of seniority to run those lines. Maybe i am wrong, just my guess, cause i consider those to be nice lines.T/Os with high seniority tend to pick jobs that's convenient for them, easier to work and get their weekends and holidays off. While it may be far from what a railfan considers an ideal pick, I was told the rush hour M run to Bay Parkway is a high seniority job. One and a half or two round trips, weekdays only. I heard the old rush-only C/CC BPB to Rock Park was a high seniority job too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 08:36:31 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 07:56:33 2008. Crystal ... but don't mind me if I find it amusing and foreign based on how things were 40 years ago. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 08:38:24 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 5 08:02:54 2008. Lotsa bad equipment back in those days ... :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 08:39:33 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 08:14:41 2008. Back in MY day, if you followed the rulebook, the railroad would be TOTALLY hosed. We all cheated in our own necessary ways, but not to the point of stupidity. At the end of the day, you DID want to go home. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 5 08:40:41 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Mar 5 08:20:34 2008. BOY was it! And amazingly, so was the E ... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 09:55:16 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 21:23:14 2008. "If you ran 62s on the MFL(broad guage trucks), the passengers would notice hown it took longer to get to their destination. They would also notice how slow the cars are, and how they can't go above 22 miles on an up-grade."True, but that's not what I am referring to. Passengers want reliable service, meaning a high frequency of trains, safety, comfortable ride. They are very highly intolerant of accident risks (even sometimes unrealistically so, the same kind of intolerance of risk that they have about a lot of technology issues). Rapid acceleration beyond 3 mph/s is mnot wanted by the public because it is uncomfortable when you have to stand. Railbuffs like it, but railbuffs do not have the same agenda as most passengers. "News will spread that the subway service is faster, and more frequent, so more people will ride." The trains are already packed. SEPTA these days has no trouble at all turning the subways into sardine tinms and it has nothing to do with speed. New York Cty is carrying record loads on the trains and it also has nothing to do with speed. I am optimistic thart one day you will stop confusing foaming with knowledge. :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 09:58:56 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 01:15:57 2008. I would welcome a 205 station overhaul, including full ADA compliance. "Creepy" implies something else. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 11:08:52 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:56:40 2008. >>>>I've ridden the uptown delta in the bronx more than once, and it IS underused, and creepy. You obviously have never been to the last stop either.<<<Well, uh gee whiz. I ride the uptown D to the Bronx to 205 every single day and I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 11:11:49 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 09:58:56 2008. ADA would be quite easy at 205 "north end" and would only require one elevator. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 5 11:13:19 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Mar 4 20:31:59 2008. Bravo/Delta gets creepy in the Bronx, kind of underused, maybe due to fear of muggingHave you ridden the subway since the 80's? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 11:22:47 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 5 11:13:19 2008. lol |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 11:58:47 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 11:11:49 2008. Agreed.Do you mean "east end" -isn't the station aligned west-east? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 12:01:13 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 11:58:47 2008. That's why I put "NOrth End" in quotes. As in railroad north. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 12:03:00 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 5 12:01:13 2008. Right. |
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