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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 5 22:17:41 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 22:08:54 2008. I know he's not one to lie, but it seems kinda odd that the employees would be so blatantly breaking that rule. I mean everyone knows the trains fly through that tube. Unless everyone knows the supervision doesn't care, you'd think these T/O's would all be getting written up. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:22:46 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 21:28:55 2008. That's fine. I was really trying to get at the fact that this rule is unenforced. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:26:43 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 21:07:02 2008. I agree that running the express 50-60 mph on most lines would help compared with 30 mph.if you were able to improve acceleration rates above 30mph, and increase top speed, it's not unreasonable to see a 1 hour train trip turn into 40 minutes. That's a lot of time. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:31:16 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 21:28:55 2008. I'm looking through my rulebook and can't find the 35mph in the river tubes rule. I guess I'll have to look bulletins over again. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:32:20 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:26:43 2008. Even two minutes is a lot of time, when it makes the difference between catching or missin a connection with another train or bus. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:38:35 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 20:58:36 2008. More like a graph than a table. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 5 22:40:18 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 21:07:02 2008. As to the public liking a 5 mph/s acceleration rate, seated, maybe; I'm skeptical in standing situations where you might not be firmly attached to a pole, or you are weighted down with a heavy bag, or with kids...Service acceleration for the MP89's in Paris is 4.9 mph/sec. They have in service for a decade. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:48:57 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:32:20 2008. I ride the G train. I know full well the value of saving even 1 minute. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 22:57:58 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 20:28:57 2008. I had a feeling it wasn't linear at all. Especially when you are going 7 miles an hour, and the T/O (on older SMEES, 32-42s) yanks the handle, you hear the shoes bong against the wheels, a short screech, and stop- all under one second.7 mph/s decel rate? Maybe at those slow, less than eight miles, speeds. Train has a lot les kinetic energy, the wheels are moving slowly, and if the wheels do slip, it will only be for a fraction of a second, so no flats. Also, passengers are moving slowly, so they don't loose much of their balance. NYCTA Cars have no DECEL problems, it is Acceleration where the problem lies, and low top speed. Especially when a train approaches a standard 4 car marker at 30+ miles. BTW, PCC specs called for 9.0Mph/s maximum deceleration at 20 miles. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:58:33 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:48:57 2008. I know. Some people on this board don't, however. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 22:58:55 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 21:21:34 2008. OK; fair enough. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:00:27 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:38:35 2008. The graph is what you look at; the table is what the computer program uses. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 23:01:04 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:58:33 2008. lol, I agree. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 23:01:32 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 5 11:13:19 2008. MAybe i have higher standards. For cleanliness, and good atmosphere. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 23:03:58 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:00:27 2008. ?? I would think the computer program uses a calculation, not a table. That's how our programs calculate stuff. But I don't know this field too well. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 23:05:35 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 23:01:32 2008. Mugging has nothing to do with cleanliness. Just fear. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:07:30 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 23:01:32 2008. Ot maybe you just panic a hell of a lot more. You could always wear Depends on your subway trips. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:09:21 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 23:03:58 2008. "I would think the computer program uses a calculation, not a table"They can. But review Jeff's post. Table lookups are very fast. Microsoft Flight Simulator used table lookups in past versions. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 23:11:07 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 5 22:08:38 2008. yeah, it is, but after the platform, it becomes a slight upgrade, followed by what seems to be a timed downgrade after 86 street, approaching 59, which ruins the run |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 5 23:11:22 2008, in response to Re: Determining braking distance, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Mar 5 20:28:57 2008. But, in fact, the relationship is not constant. Brake rates increase as speed decreases.If anything the NTSB braking tests show the reverse. The average braking rate is a decreasing function of initial velocity. Therefore it is not correct to plug into the equation for constant acceleration. That depends on purpose of the estimate and how accurate it must be. There are different average rates, based on tests, for different initial speed and track condition (wet/dry). However, to find the maximum stopping distance, one need only use the minimum average braking rate from the test data. Is this an adequate estimate? That depends on the application. It should be for the question at hand - maximum stopping distance for a suicidal T/O. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:14:00 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 5 22:17:41 2008. Dont take it personal but no comment from me...Lets leave it at that ok? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:15:33 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 22:31:16 2008. I'm looking through my rulebook and can't find the 35mph in the river tubes rule. I guess I'll have to look bulletins over again.Yes you do that because i seen the bulletin. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:16:20 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:15:33 2008. Do you know the bulletin number? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:20:30 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 23:05:35 2008. I disagree. When the trains were covered with graffitti and the entire system was in worse shape, it gave the criminals a sense of belonging on the subways. It made them feel like they were in control, while good citizens avoided the subways. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 5 23:22:48 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:48:57 2008. WE ride the G...and if you miss a train on THIS LINE..its like the world is coming to an end...you never know when the next train will show up..but you keep hoping..keep leaning over that platform with wishful thinking.."I just Know a train will come..soon... I just KNOW IT.."You lose all hope... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:25:45 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:16:20 2008. Do you know the bulletin number?Looking through them as well got nine years worth ... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 23:27:14 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:25:45 2008. Speaking of workforce efficiency, wouldn't it be easier for some purposes if they had an online database for employees to read and study, and so that it could be clear what's linked to what, etc.? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:27:52 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:25:45 2008. Any bulletin that relates to safety should be required to be reissued at least once a year. None of this TA bullshit where a bulletin comes out four years ago, and you're responsible for knowing that info. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:29:27 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 23:27:14 2008. That's a good idea. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Mar 5 23:30:30 2008, in response to Re: Re :(Speed ) TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 5 22:26:43 2008. I've run "experimental high performance stock" in BVE, and a savings of 20 minutes is to be expected on some lines, like the A. At least Ten minutes or so savings on the E. Ten minute savings on the C.Note: i followed speed restrictions on curves (Went slower than what some operators take curves at to make time), and dwelled in stations longer than necessary on some regularly "unpredictable", or holding light stops. Also, the dwell times(door open) in bve seems to be set to 19 seconds, which is especially long for local stops along the C. I've been on trains that stopped, opend doors, closed doors, and started to move again in 10-14 seconds consistently, saving MORE time. I wasn't gunning it either, being reasonable. I know where curve timers are, and pretended they were there, especially wheel detectors after switches(10 miles). I wrapped around on long, straight express runs though, and hit 60 in tubes, which IS REALISTIC. Though if there were "timers" on straight aways, i would ignore them, but they would add maybe a few minutes all together. Also, i kept the trains with less than 2.5 mph/s accel to 20 miles, which then linearly drops off to about zero at 50-55 miles; no accel at 60 miles. VERY realistic performance. Easy to come by. No 79 mile an hour runs, or PCC acceleration. I ran the "experiments" reasonably. I would save even more time had i used, say, washington metro stock with 80 mile top speed and 3mph/s accel. I kept it more MTA style though. Lots of way to improve efficiency for MTA. CBTC and new cars NOT Required. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:34:49 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 23:27:14 2008. Speaking of workforce efficiency, wouldn't it be easier for some purposes if they had an online database for employees to read and study, and so that it could be clear what's linked to what, etc.?They already do... What you think im looking through 9 years worth of stuff on paper?? I can multi-task got more than one window open.. ;o) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 5 23:37:39 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:34:49 2008. Good man!Otherwise MTA should start paying you rent for all that paper! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:53:12 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:27:52 2008. None of this TA bullshit where a bulletin comes out four years ago, and you're responsible for knowing that info.This as sure a heck looks like it... Cant find that bulletin anywhere and i KNOW i seen it with my own eyes.. Time to ask a TSS tomm... Im going to get to the bottom of this.. Unless Alex L beats me too it.. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 00:07:24 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 5 23:53:12 2008. Obviously, it's not important to the TA if a bulletin regarding speed in the river tubes hasn't been issued in the last few years. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Mar 6 00:27:37 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 5 23:20:30 2008. This is all perception. Think about it. By the early 90s, the graffitti era was over, and the period of upgrading had begun. But crime still existed in much higher levels than today. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:35:32 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 5 23:07:30 2008. Ron. BAD attitude. Assumtion. I was never affraid of being mugged. If i was, i wouldn't ride the subway or railfan. I said people may avoid it because it is creepy, dirty, and they are affraid of being mugged. Stop with your BS. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 00:39:42 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:35:32 2008. "I said people may avoid it because it is creepy, dirty, and they are affraid of being mugged"A few people will. People like you. :0) Like I said, there's always Depends. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:54:43 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 00:39:42 2008. Hopefully the above post was a joke, but:I would not avoid a form of transportation due to a slight risk of being attacked. Why? because it is stupid to be affraid of a transportation system. I WILL try to avoid a group of niggers(white, black, asian, or hispanic) on the street or subway that are obviously up to no good, however. Why? It is stupid to go up to them, unless you are looking for a confrontation, or want to play slap-dick with them, and show your manliness. Be smart. By the way, "a nigger" is a person with no respect for him or her self. Not necessarily black. It has a racist past, but the meaning of words change though time. Niggers go down easiest, unlike people who respect themselves I hope this will end your BAD attitude towards the subject. Negative and trying to insult me or something. I will help you. You need help. By the way, i can protect myself from imbecils, i would, however avoid situations where an unnecessary idiotic confrontation to show "macho" is immenent. If your response contains something about deficatiing in pants, i will not help you on the subject anymore. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Mar 6 00:59:14 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:54:43 2008. I WILL try to avoid a group of niggers(white, black, asian, or hispanic) on the street or subway that are obviously up to no good, however. Why? It is stupid to go up to them, unless you are looking for a confrontation, or want to play slap-dick with them, and show your manliness. Be smart.Who goes up to a group of people when they are by themselves and starts a confrontation? You seem a bit out of touch with reality, and your original statement only serves to further raise some red flags. Especially when combined with these idiotic remarks making use of the n-word. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:01:32 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:54:43 2008. "Hopefully the above post was a joke"It's my assessment of where you're coming from. "I WILL try to avoid a group of niggers(white, black, asian, or hispanic) on the street or subway that are obviously up to no good, however....By the way, "a nigger" is a person with no respect for him or her self." That describes you almost perfectly so far, except "ignorant" also comes to mind. Care to dig yourself a deeper hole? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:14:11 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 00:54:43 2008. You're 100% correct in your argument regarding some stations, and their appearance. Obviously the NYCTA agrees with you, or they wouldn't encourage people to wait in off-hour waiting areas. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:15:34 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:14:11 2008. NYCT encourages people to wait within view of station agents or CCTV. I have no objection to this. Prudence is always a good policy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:15:49 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Thu Mar 6 00:27:37 2008. But it's way down now. It's almost as though the criminal element does not feel welcomed in NYC anymore, and they're moving to the burbs, which has seen huge increases in crime. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:16:30 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:15:49 2008. Yes. The burbs don't havbe as much in the way of resources to combat it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:21:31 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:15:34 2008. But you have to admit, some stations are intimidating, and invite crime. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:23:30 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:21:31 2008. Yes. A few do.Not just the subway, by the way. LIRR's Port Washington branch has the Murray Hill station, which is pretty pathetic by LIRR standards. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:27:04 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:23:30 2008. I remember when a woman was raped at Forest Ave on the M line behind the old staircase exit on the south end of the station.Some of these stations are just dangerous. Dekalb on the L is another rough station. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 01:32:00 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by J trainloco on Thu Mar 6 00:59:14 2008. Guy, i see this on a regular basis. you don't know where i live, and i don't know where you live. Go out on the city streets. You don't have to go up to them, they will come to you... I am not the one out of touch with reality. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:37:02 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 6 01:27:04 2008. 121 St on the J has had a couple of incidents, but I don't know the stats on it |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Mar 6 01:37:13 2008, in response to Re: TA is obsessed with CBTC, and ''New'' tech for no reason., posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 6 01:01:32 2008. Damn. I see who you are. I will not respond to any of your BS posts until you change your BAD attitude.My previous posts were an attemt to clarify things for you and help you. You are getting off at this. Shame. You don't want to learn...Shame. I can only give you some advice: help yourself, you CAN be good. You CAN be Human. Look up at the sky sometimes, go for a walk. |
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