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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 19 13:37:28 2015. The T and w are not totally unused, and the x was used as part of the route name for the NX in 1967. Y is the only one left over and AFAIK was intended for use on the branch of the SAS that would have connected to the Dyre Av Line after it was transferred over from the IRT. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 20 08:32:11 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 01:54:48 2015. WTF |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 15:41:00 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 20 08:32:11 2015. There seemed to be a problem with the site that gave me an error message whenever I tried to either access a post or make a post of my own. Apparently even though my attempts at posting didn’t work, the site must have stored all the tries and posted them when the trouble cleared. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 20 16:32:59 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 14 13:57:02 2015. I remember the MTA travel guide in the 70's mentioned that some QB's went to Astoria even though it wasn't mentioned in the official map. I presumed then that was the reason. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 20 17:37:28 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 15:41:00 2015. Yes, for me early this afternoon, when I tried to check in, I'd get a message "message error, try again later" |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 21 10:57:09 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 20 16:32:59 2015. I like those travel guides. It's interesting seeing routes described in narrative form rather than grid form. That way everything you have to say about a route's peculiarities you can just say without worrying about where to fit it. |
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Posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 11:34:58 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 14 16:21:22 2015. I used to ride the QB and what amazed me is the R42 never had the side signs for them. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 21 12:08:41 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 11:34:58 2015. What would it show? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 21 14:46:35 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 16 20:42:16 2015. When? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 21 14:55:56 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 11:34:58 2015. The R-42s did have side signs for the QB but they were in the Eastern Div group along with the KK, LL, M, and QJ. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 21 15:02:07 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 11:34:58 2015. Various QB alottoments had different signs depending on what their original car barn was.QB was on 2 sets of original R42 signs, one being the ENY ones of about 40 cars which had QJ, JJ, KK, LL, M, QB, RR (might have missed one). |
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Posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 18:06:42 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 21 12:08:41 2015. A blank sign.like the conductor tried to find the sign and gave up. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 21 23:05:19 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by caine515 on Sat Feb 21 18:06:42 2015. Also, the rule at Stl QJ was that if QB were to go BO on the stand, a QJ was to be converted to QB service, but QBs were not to be abandoned. In the event that such an occurrence took place, the road C/R and Plat C/Rs might not have had enough time the scroll through al the signs to get to the proper reading before departure time. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sat Feb 21 23:39:31 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 20 15:41:00 2015. Wrong. You hit post 12 times so it posted 12 messages. It's very simple. I hit post once and so it only posted once. Next time, DON'T HIT POST 12 TIMES!!!!!! Just because after you post you get an error message doesn't mean the post didn't go through. I got an error message as well after I replied to with "WTF" but instead of hitting POST again, I went to the site INDEX in a NEW BROWSER WINDOW and CONFIRMED THAT MY POST DID INDEED GO THROUGH. TRY IT SOMETIME. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 21 23:49:11 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 16 07:06:49 2015. Once again friends in Rego Park had to add 20 minutes to their commute to NYC today because of the GO's on Queens Corridor.It's rough. There was a ton of congestion going Manhattan-bound with three services on the express and yellow flags parallel to the work gangs. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 22 00:45:25 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sat Feb 21 23:39:31 2015. The problem was that at the time I was attempting to make my posts, it seemed there was trouble with the site so I had no way of knowing if the posts went through or not since all I got was an error message. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 22 01:19:16 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 21 23:05:19 2015. Heh. They turned my D train into one once. Up to 57, and back down. Get that thing off my railroad! :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 22 08:24:52 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 22 00:45:25 2015. He's playing moderator and disciplinarian again.Such happens when one has no life. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sun Feb 22 15:50:28 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 22 00:45:25 2015. The problem was that at the time I was attempting to make my posts, it seemed there was trouble with the site so I had no way of knowing if the posts went through or not since all I got was an error message.Did you read what I just wrote to you???? Should I repeat it???? You hit post 12 times so it posted 12 messages. It's very simple. Next time, DON'T HIT POST 12 TIMES!!!!!! Just because after you post you get an error message doesn't mean the post didn't go through. I went to the site INDEX in a NEW BROWSER WINDOW and CONFIRMED THAT MY POST DID INDEED GO THROUGH. Is any of that impossible to do or impossible to understand? |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sun Feb 22 15:52:57 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 22 08:24:52 2015. LOL! What do you know about my life?Sounds like you're taking about yourself! Anyhow, you're wrong, I'm simply posting the truth. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 22 16:59:29 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sun Feb 22 15:52:57 2015. And you proved my theory yet again. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 22 19:14:06 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Sun Feb 22 15:50:28 2015. You should give him a break on this one. The index wasn't working properly either so it was bloody hard to confirm anything. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 23 07:53:08 2015, in response to The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 14 10:28:39 2015. I think what may be causing some confusion is that during the time the N ran on Queens Boulevard, and especially on the 1976-78 maps, it was still officially described as the "Broadway Express".But in fact, it ran local in both directions on Broadway during rush hours, so the only Broadway peak-hour express service was the QB, which (people tell me) only had a few runs. During the time the N ran on Queens Boulevard, it had at least 4 service patterns: 1) Weekends and evenings: Coney island to 57th Street, express on Broadway 2) Rush Hours: Coney Island to 71/Continental, local on Broadway 3) Rush hours: Whitehall St to 71/Continental (basically, the old EE), local on Broadway. (patterns 2 & 3 ran at the same time. I knew people who were confused and got on the wrong train...) 4) Mid-day Weekdays: Coney Island to 71/Continental, express on Broadway. During Christmas break in the 5th grade, I got to ride this with my dad- I was thrilled!! But at no time, was there scheduled express N service on Queens Boulevard. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 23 07:59:53 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 14 11:35:12 2015. And if the rollsigns were busted and/or obscured by graffiti- you could wind up going anyplace... |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 23 13:17:42 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 23 07:53:08 2015. When the N ran to Ctl, it was local on Bway in the peak direction of traffic, but express the other way. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 23 13:23:43 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 23 13:17:42 2015. It was express in the peak direction with respect to Brooklyn and local in the peak direction wrt Queens.Or do I have that backwards? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Feb 23 13:53:57 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 23 07:53:08 2015. (patterns 2 & 3 ran at the same time. I knew people who were confused and got on the wrong train...)Since pattern 3 was identical to what had been the EE, it would have made sense to keep using that designation. But perhaps the cars used for the N service didn't have signs for EE? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 23 14:47:24 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 23 13:23:43 2015. Yes, you have it correct, especially if one looks at it from the prospective of the usual riders of the N-train, and the usual riders of the old EE. The TA was trying to give each group what it usually had.The old EE riders were expecting a local train in the mornings on Queens Blvd to take them to the local stations along the Broadway line, and then in the pm rush hours, again a local service to take them home along Queens Blvd. Thus am rush hour N-trains leaving Queens Blvd was local downtown in Manhattan on Broadway, and in addition some N-trains went to Whitehall Street. The usual N-train riders from Brooklyn were expecting an express train along Fourth Avenue and along Broadway in the am rush hours. Which is what they got in those days, the uptown N-trains were running express along the Fourth Avenue line in Brooklyn, and EXPRESS along Broadway in the am rush hours. The usual N-train riders in the pm rush hours were expecting an express train along Fourth Avenue and along Broadway for their trips home to Brooklyn. What they got was the usual pm rush hours N-trains running express. The N-train running to Queens Blvd lasted for about 10 years or so. From the usual prospective of an "express service" on a four track line - one expects the "express" service to use both express tracks in both directions. One could simply think of it as an local/express set of service on a three-track line. In addition there were a few of the QB usual Broadway-express / Brighton local trains rush hours only trains. While the train maps of those days strongly suggested that these QB trains operated in one direction only, the actual practice was a bit different than what the maps described. It's these kinds of actual practices that add to the mysteries of the subways to unfold. In any case, all of this becomes moot, during the Manhattan Bridge repairs and both N-trains and R-trains in addition to switching terminals become fully local in Manhattan for almost 18-20 years or so. Thus the pattern of Astoria and Queens Blvd local trains traveling local in Manhattan has remained in place for several decades - regardless of the train letters used for the practice. Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 23 15:13:12 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Feb 23 13:53:57 2015. Actually, when delivered, the R-40Ms and the R-42s in the group dedicated for the N had signs for both the EE and GG. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 23 16:35:28 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 23 14:47:24 2015. So very interesting. Brooklyn riders were looking for "express all the way" and Queens was looking for "local all the way" and this was how they made it happen. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Feb 23 22:11:24 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 22 19:14:06 2015. In what world does it make MORE sense to hit post 12 times rather than just wait it out to confirm that your post went through? |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Feb 23 22:13:14 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 22 16:59:29 2015. If telling yourself that makes you feel better, then great. But the truth is that I am right and you are wrong. As usual. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 23 23:29:24 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Feb 23 22:11:24 2015. Because the system was so screwed up it was extremely difficult to just "wait it out"? It was many hours, if not a whole day before the system was back to normal. And since he's probably not a techie, he might not have realized that a) all his posts went through despite the errors, b) that there were tiny windows where he could get the index, if he kept clicking reload enough times and waiting each time until it worked. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 24 06:50:18 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Feb 23 13:53:57 2015. The R44/46 had EE signs.Had the link survived the route change,it would have been using those cars,instead of the extended N line. |
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Posted by TERRApin StaTion on Tue Feb 24 08:16:20 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 23 23:29:24 2015. Huh? The button says "Post Message - Click Once". He violated a direct instruction. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 24 08:44:44 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TERRApin StaTion on Tue Feb 24 08:16:20 2015. Why don't you go back to bed, lowlife. |
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Posted by TERRApin StaTion on Tue Feb 24 08:54:43 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 24 08:44:44 2015. Haha, you can't deal with the fact that I'm right and you're wrong. You're so sad. Such a sad person. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 24 08:55:56 2015, in response to Re: The 70s: N Queens Blvd Express?, posted by TERRApin StaTion on Tue Feb 24 08:54:43 2015. Except NOBODY gives a shit about this except you because you have NOTHING else in your head, because you have NO life. |
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