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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 14:11:50 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Mon Aug 13 18:56:23 2012.

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I just noticed my typo. That time should be 5:11 AM.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 14:18:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 04:09:23 2012.

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Those 22s were unique in several ways. They were the first cars (other than the 10 A/C R-17s) to have the salmon colored fiberglass seats that became the standard for several car contracts. The design of the weather stripping around the side doors was similar to all subsequent NYCTA equipment. The Bulkhead door window was a single drop sash similar to the R-10 side windows rather than the split window of the older cars and the doors had a rigidized pattern in the metal. When I saw them, I figured that the R-26s would be like that but unfortunately that wasn't the case and the R-22s were the last TA car contract to have an openable bulkhead door window.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 14:19:02 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:31:18 2012.

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You probably could, but in the case of that R-40, it just happened to be the train that was on the stand at the time so I took it. A few months later, I was working the QJ and although the line was mostly R-27/30s, the interval behind mine was an R-9 and I couldn't get another M/M to swap with me which was surprising since most of the newbies at that time, except for Big Ed, preferred SMEEs to R-9s.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by CJ on Thu Aug 16 15:45:33 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:31:18 2012.

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I hate to bring this off topic, but how did both the Green R10s and WH R30s ride and were they decent equipment in there last years despite all the issues they had due to the lack of maintenance?

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Re: Automat

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 16 16:09:06 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:26:49 2012.

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The one on 42nd and 3rd was the last one remaining, and actually stayed open until May of 1991 I believe. I actually ate in that one numerous times in the '80s when I was on messenger runs in the area.

Horn & Hardart ought to consider a revival of the Automat, at least for Times Square where it likely would be a major tourist attraction.

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Re: Automat

Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 16:17:46 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 16 16:09:06 2012.

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If I recall, about 2 or 3 years ago someone did attempt to revive the Automat and opened one somewhere in Manhattan. From what I have heard it didn't work out too well and I believe it has now closed. I guess with the proliferation of Mickey D's, BK, KFC Taco Bell etc, there just isn't a demand for the type of food and service provided by the Automats and their associated cafeterias. In fact when most of the Automats closed, Horn & Hardart actually obtained some Burger King franchises and opened up BKs in many of the old H & H locations. Those too, sadly, are gone.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 16:18:47 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:21:24 2012.

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When did the Brooklyn one on Fulton close? I remember that one, as a kid visiting my great-aunt, who lived in the Highland Park section of East NY. We took the Fulton St bus, I think it was the B-25.

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Re: Automat

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 16 16:37:30 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 16:17:46 2012.

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"sadly"??? No, the death of any fast junk franchise is a good thing IMHO. I do miss H&H, having first met them in Philly. I had many a breakfast at the Reading Terminal location on my way to work several blocks away. Later, in NYC, I used the retail shop on Ave A as well as Automats on 6th Ave, 5th Ave W 72nd and the one by GCT.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 17:58:09 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 16:18:47 2012.

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One of the websites dealing with Automat history claims that the one on Fulton St closed around 1970 but I remember it at least until 1972 when I started working in the command center and would eat there when I was working an AM or PM. The Automat was not open all night but right next door to it was a Bickford's diner which was open all nigh and where I ate when working midnights. After the Automat closed, it became a Burger King although I'm not sure of the exact year that change took place but the semi attached H & H retail shop on Pearl St remained open for several years and in the late 1970s when I was working the schedule office, I would often shop there and bring my lunch back to the office to eat. I'm not sure exactly when the BK and the H & H retail store closed since from 1983 to 85 I was out on the road as a trainmaster but When I came back to the schedule office in 1985, I don't recall either of them being there. I didn't exactly pay attention to when it happened but sometime in the late 1970s, the Bickford's next door closed and was taken over as a Wendy's.


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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 18:03:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 17:58:09 2012.

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I think the BK is now a Wendy's - and the 99¢ store is now a clothing outlet. Next time I'm that way (I often eat at Blimpie @ Willoughby & Pearl) I will see if the facade has been redone - erasing the "automat" lettering. Google street view seems to show this change.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:04:32 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 14:19:02 2012.

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Kev preferred the old timers, too.:)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:06:10 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by CJ on Thu Aug 16 15:45:33 2012.

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The R-10s suffered from flat wheels and were even noisier than I ever remembered them being.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Mon Aug 13 18:56:23 2012.

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June 20 was a Friday in 1969. That was supposed to be our last day of school in Jersey, but because of all the snow days we incurred the previous winter (a blizzard hit the area hard in February), we had to make up three days and didn't finish unti the 25th. The Mets were in the midst of a hot streak at that time, too.

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Re: Automat

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:10:33 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 16:17:46 2012.

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IIRC there was a H&H on oen of the bus levels at PABT in the late 60s.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:14:35 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 18:03:21 2012.

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I remember seeing that Automat lettering during one of our lunch stops at Blimpie's.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 21:18:54 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:04:32 2012.

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And so many other motorpeeps wanted ANYTHING but the arnines, those swaps brought a smile all around. :)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:22:31 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 04:09:23 2012.

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Our house in South Bend had speckled white interior walls initially, then around 1964-65 we repainted the entire interior in solid colors: My bedroom was mint green, my sister's azure blue and the rest of the interior was a champagne ivory/antique white hue. At the same time, we painted the ceiling white.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:24:38 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:29:10 2012.

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The blaring F# from the trombones sounds more like it.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:25:36 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:27:15 2012.

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Moe has to keep reprimanding Curly.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 04:08:10 2012.

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IIRC the NX made its last runs on Good Friday, April 12, 1968. Talk about being crucified...

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:31:12 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:21:43 2012.

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IIRC the JJ had a split personality:

AM rush hours: Canal St. - 168th St.; skip-stop Manhattan-bound.
PM rush hours: Canal St. - Crescent St. OR Atlantic Ave. OR Rockaway Parkway; all local stops (much like the old 14)
All other times: 168th St. - Broad St.; all local stops (like the old 15)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:32:22 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 19:19:34 2012.

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Some fancy-schmancy name, I'll bet.:)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 21:33:10 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:32:22 2012.

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Yeah ... "battleship" ... :)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:33:28 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 20:16:12 2012.

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It can't be any worse than that godawful pistachio green, though.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 21:40:53 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:33:28 2012.

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That too was "surplus" ... I suppose it's because they closed the mental hospitals. :)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 21:44:26 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:21:07 2012.

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Pulling out.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 22:25:25 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:01:48 2012.

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When it was fresh, you could definitely see the metallic cast it had. Case in point is the R33 they have in the Train of Many Colours - it still has its "sheen". Even on the R-7a's and R-9s it didn't look bad when fresh. Problem was, it managed to pick up a tremendous amount of track dust and grime, and looked awful in no time. Add graffiti to it and you have a stomachache on wheels.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 22:26:49 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:14:35 2012.

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Yes, it was definitely there. However I think there is new stonework up on that facade. I will examine it more closely on the next trip. It may be partially hidden by the store's new neon signage.

wayne


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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 02:25:34 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 16 18:03:21 2012.

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The BK became a 99 cent store which became a Conway's and If I remember correctly is now something else. The Wendy's is where the Bickford's used to be and hasn't moved.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 02:28:38 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:31:12 2012.

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Not quite correct since during non rush hours midday M - F the JJ didn't run and lcl stops on the Bway Bkln and Jamaica Lines were made by QJs.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 10:08:46 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 23:22:57 2012.

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No, the QJ was definitely gone by 1973. I lived in Urbana, IL from June 1971 to June 1974, but came to NYC in the summers and at Christmas (and one year during Easter). Summer of 1972, QJ still operated to Stillwell "normal hours" (Mon-Fri 6 AM-8 PM), all other times to Broad St. M operated to either Broad or Chambers normal hours, other times between Metropolitian and Myrtle-Broadway. KK ran from 168 St or Eastern Pkwy via Chrystie cut to 57/6 rush hours only. By the summer of 1973, when I arrived from Illinois, the QJ had become the J and ran 24/7 to Broad, M ran via the Montague rat hole to Stillwell via Brighton normal hours, and the KK became the K and only ran from Eastern Pkwy rush hours. The K went away in late August 1976 w/o replacement, the same time that the EE was eliminated, IIRC at that same time, the CC was extended rush hours only to Euclid Av or Rockaway Park, the A now ran express in Brooklyn rush hours, and the E terminated at WTC 24/7. Sometime in the 80s, the M was moved to the West End, ran to Bay Parkway rush hours, other times during normal hours to 9 Av, and evenings and weekends to Myrtle-Broadway only. Hope that clears things up :)

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 17 12:02:11 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:06:10 2012.

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Yeah, those composition brake shoes installed on the green EOH R-10's really did those cars in. Also, the brake valve, if someone can here on this forum, may have been another factor as well (may have been mentioned here previously).

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 17 14:35:50 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:21:43 2012.

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Thanks. Aside from the KK put-ins and layups ar East NY, Atlantic, etc, these service patterns are reflected on the first post-Chrystie 1967 map and the 1972 & 1974 service maps, all of which I have,

Although I was only 4 1/2, looking over how the maps changed, I believe the KK became the K and the QJ the J, and the M extended to Stillwell in 1973.

Unfortunately, I have 1972 & 1974 Vignelli mpas, but no 1973 copy, so I base my estimated date of the changeowver on what others on this board have posted. But it was definitely in that general time period.

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Re: Automat

Posted by almazz on Fri Aug 17 14:41:19 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 16:17:46 2012.

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The Automat you are referring to was the BAMM Automat on St. Marks Place, near NYU. It was started by three recent NYU grads. Unfortunately, the food was nothing like in the old H&H's. It was mostly bar food meant to appeal the the drinking crowd in the area. There was no seating and it was really a giant vending machine.
The operation started out as open 24-hours, but soon switched to an inconsistent schedule. I believe a combination of being under capitalized and a disagreement among the partners led to the operation closing after little more than a year.
Right now the NY Library has a great exhibit going on that features the Automat. It's at the branch next to Bryant Park and runs until February.
Al Mazzone
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Re: Automat

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 14:45:45 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:10:33 2012.

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And one at the Garden State Plaza, in Paramus, NJ.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:48:49 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:26:49 2012.

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That was the one I ate at as a kid in 1984. It was indeed the last one to close. Even by then, most of the food was sold cafeteria style and the little door mechanisms were half empty. My mother still swears they had the best mac & cheese of all time.

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Re: Automat

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:52:15 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 16 16:09:06 2012.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/nyregion/last-automat-closes-its-era-long-gone.html

I worked in the area in 1990-91 and never went inside. Had no idea it was gonna close until it did.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 17 14:52:40 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 10:08:46 2012.

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I remmeber the 1976 service changes. The signs in the trains announcing them remained in place for months. Although the EE & K died, I thought seeing that list of clor bullets was cool.

Actually, I think it would have been better in 2010 for the Orange M to designated as the "K", as it restores much of the old K. Of course, it's actually BETTER than the K was,,,

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by CJ on Fri Aug 17 15:22:03 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 17 12:02:11 2012.

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So the minor overhaul basically made the R10s worse then they already were? If that's the case all I have to say is that is sad. I wonder how the R30s did. I know R27s didn't last long wearing the David Gunn red paint scheme (I read either here or on Subtalk or both that the R27s painted red lasted until 1990 unless someone can confirm that).

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by CJ on Thu Aug 16 15:45:33 2012.

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The green R10's were the loudest cars I ever rode. During the summer they were literally ear-splitting as they sped through the Cranberry St. tubes. The R10 overhaul didn't include much more than a tuneup, some new rollsigns (in B&W and only including 4 routes) and a new paintjob. These cars really went downhill in their last year when they were used all day long, instead of mostly during rush hour.

The R30's ran nicer, much like the R36WF cars. They retained signature SMEE sounds, particularly when the doors closed. Had these cars had A/C they probably would have remained in service another 7-9 years.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 15:41:58 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 17 14:35:50 2012.

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January 1 1973,the M was extended to Coney Island..the QJ was renamed J as originally intended, the KK[renamed K] was shorted to service between Eastern Parkway and 57th st/6th av.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 15:48:02 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:21:43 2012.

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1973,JANUARY 1...The QJ/KK was no more.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 15:48:26 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:28:21 2012.

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IAWTP. Probably up until the 143s went into this service (as the 143s were technically the R-30 replacements, just delayed 8 years).



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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:54:04 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 15:48:02 2012.

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The KK was altered, not retired (cut back to ENY/Atlantic Ave).

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Re: Automat

Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 15:54:26 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:52:15 2012.

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That last Automat was landmarked and although it is now either a Gap or Old Navy clothing store, the exterior is still Automat style.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 15:54:37 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 23:22:57 2012.

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NEVER 4 LINES..QJ,RJ,JJ..1967 TO MID 68..

QJ/KK 1968 TO 73[technically 1972,since the last Coney Island QJ ran DECEMBER 29 1972..the last KK TO FROM JAMAICA to 57th on the same day]

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:55:27 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 15:48:26 2012.

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That's their logical replacements. Remember, the R143's replaced nothing. It would have allowed the slants and half the R40M's in ENY to go south to CI and that 90's car crunch may not have been so bad.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 16:04:02 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:48:49 2012.

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The H & H mac & cheese as I remember it had little bits of tomato in it which I really didn't care for. One of my favorites was the fish cake which did taste good with the tomato sauce on it. There was an Automat on the corner of 33 St and 8 Av where ERA members would go both before and after the ERA meetings when they were held at the RR YNCA in Penn Station. Trolley Museum of NY used to have monthly movie nights at the L (now Bkln) Historical Society on Pierrepont St in Bkln and the Automat on Fulton St in downtown Bkln served the same purpose for the buffs who went to the TMNY movie nights.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:06:13 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:54:04 2012.

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Like I said..the "KK" was NO MORE..

There was no more direct service between 57th st 6th avenue and 168th st Jamaica..that the KK provided.

The replacement service,"K",operated from several terminals during the morning and evenings..

Metropolitan ave..first 4 trains early AM..lay ups
Atlantic avenue..AM LAY UPS..PM LAY UPS..
Eastern Pkway..Main Terminal.

So..they were really not the same.

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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards.

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:09:16 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:55:27 2012.

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All the R40M left for the south when the 143 came in.

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