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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 19:42:24 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 14 16:15:13 2012. IIRC the Triplexes split their time between the Brighton and Fred's line. For a time they provided base service on the Sea Beach, then migrated over to the Brighton. They would wind up on the West End in their final days. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:15:14 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 14 11:12:25 2012. Even with the fans on?:)I remember going to an Automat once in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:16:24 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 13 22:45:02 2012. Moe, I think I'm gonna be sick.Huuuuurrrrrkkkkk!!!!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:17:54 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Aug 14 11:02:33 2012. "Ronan stinks."I'd like to know who the paint dealer was who made the deal with the TA. He probably had all that paint in his warehouse for who knows how long. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:19:30 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 14 15:09:38 2012. I remember that olive drab, too. Didn't have a problem with it, but it was dull compared to the R-32s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:21:07 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 14 11:08:32 2012. Was it panting? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:23:08 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 14 12:35:09 2012. The R-7/9s first appeared on the Three Stooges Division when the KK was introduced on 7-1-68. The first time I saw them on the Lonesome Larry was on January 5, 1969 - going in the opposite direction, of course. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:24:43 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 14 14:18:45 2012. There's a photo or two on Dave's website of an R-16 Ralph with #2-4th Ave. signs on the front end. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:26:08 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 14 15:18:19 2012. IIRC if a blizzard bore down on Brooklyn, the R-16s were sent underground on the Larry and BMT standards battled the elements on the Curly and Moe lines. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 14 20:28:15 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:17:54 2012. U S Navy. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 05:01:42 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 14 12:54:51 2012. One small caveat about that: they hadn't looked green in YEARS. Unless the dirt was colored green... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 05:06:40 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:23:08 2012. When I was very young, I always associated the LL with old, R7/9 equipment, with the occasional R42 thrown in. It made me associate the LL and KK with junkers at the time. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 05:12:32 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 13 20:29:35 2012. Or the blue-and-white MTA scheme. :-) |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 15 06:19:26 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 05:01:42 2012. I always thought they were brown. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 06:45:22 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 15 06:19:26 2012. I always considered "dirt" color to be blackish, myself. :-) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 15 11:56:39 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 15 06:19:26 2012. They were milk chocolate brown! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Aug 15 13:54:08 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 14 13:04:41 2012. NONE of them looked good in that scheme (IMO) |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:15:55 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 14 11:12:25 2012. your bringing back memories. i remember that automat. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:18:23 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:15:14 2012. the last one to close i believe was 45 and lex or maybe 42 and 3rd.in philly they lasted till the 70s just like the pccs. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:27:10 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:19:30 2012. 2390-2392 are out of service for about 35 years. its a damn shame nyct doesnt finish the job and put them back as a nostalgia train again. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:31:44 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Brighton Private on Mon Aug 13 19:40:08 2012. i also grew up there. i got on at parkside. the day chrystie st loop opened me and a friend got off a forth av local and got the first r1/r9 run there. it was my first time riding them. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:21:12 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 15 11:56:39 2012. The R-1/9s were an olive drab color like the R-16s, 21s,22s, 26/28s and 27/30s. The BMT steels, D types and Multis were originally milk chocolate brown and sometime in the late 1930s it seems that they were painted a sort of dark khaki color. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:24:44 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:24:43 2012. There was a small number of R-16s that had Southern Division signs and I had one of them the week I worked the Culver shuttle in 1969. I displayed the 5/Culver end sign. I would imagine that the destination signs read "95 St Fort H'ton" rather than "95 St 4 Avenue." |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:27:54 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:23:08 2012. The R-7/9s appeared on the Eastern Div in Nov 1967 as soon a s Chrystie went into effect. They were used on the Bway Bkln Lcl renamed the "JJ" and had white JJ stickers over the route sign boxes. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:29:55 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:27:10 2012. I believe they are actually owned by the Transit Preservation Corp and they are being restored although very slowly. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:38:30 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 14 16:19:29 2012. Actually, as far as yard assignments, they were assigned to ENY Yd which had the responsibility for inspection and maintenance. If a train on any of the Eastern Division lines went bad in its own yd, it would be sent to ENY Yd for a replacement. Actually, the only line in the Eastern that did not have its own layup yard was the Jamaica Line so J Line layups and put ins are made from/to ENY Yd and prior the 1956, the Fulton St el lacked its own yard and had to use ENY Yd for its layups also although Fulton had a middle track for layups which the Jamaica Line lacks. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 18:57:16 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:27:54 2012. The only JJ I ever rode on was an R-27/30 consist in March of 1968 from Elderts Lane to 168th and back. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:00:34 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 14 20:28:15 2012. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:01:48 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 05:12:32 2012. For the record, it was platinum mist and blue. The graffiti epidemic hadn't hit yet when it was first applied to the oldest cars in 1970. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:05:56 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:18:23 2012. 45th and Lex sounds right. This was in December of 1977. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 19:19:05 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:00:34 2012. I remember reading back in the 60's that the MTA bought a LOT of "surplus paint" that was to be used on both cars and els ... so that was definitely in the mix ... and that gray ... agggh. BARNACLE gray. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 19:19:34 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:01:48 2012. Platinum. LOL! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:21:24 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:15:55 2012. The building is still there - a 99¢ store now, but on the Willoughby Street side, you can still see "AUTOMAT" etched in the concrete facade.wayne |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:21:43 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 18:57:16 2012. When the Chrystie reroutes first went in effect, the Jamaica line ran between Jamaica and Brighton Beach ad the Brighton local and the Ds ran as Brighton expresses till the locals stopped running, Since the D ran to Stl full time, this presented Xover problems N/O BBC. Back to the Jamaica Line, the Jamaica/Brighton service was called "QJ" and terse were certain jamaica intervals that operated between Jamaica and 95 St which carried the designation "RJ" and operated only during the rush hours. Both rush hour Bway Bkln lcls and Jamaica trains operating to Broad St after QJs stopped running daily and on weekends carried the designation "JJ." When 57/6 opened, the JJ was eliminated entirely and Bway Bkln lcl service was provided by rush hour KKs operating between Jamaica and 57/6 with some putins and layups originating and terminating at E/Pky, Atlantic and Canarsie. Qjs were extended to Stl when they operated on the Brighton Line and Ds were terminated at BBC when they operate express and ran to Stl, when they ran lcl on the Brighton. At the same time, RJs were eliminated and selected RR rush hour specials operated between 95 St and Chambers St where they laid up midday with some RRs also being laid up N/O Chambers overnight. Although the Chambers St specials carried "RR" route signs, employes in the field continued to refer to them as "RJ Specials." Jamaica trains were removed from the Brighton Line circa 1972 and replaced by Ms, the Jamaica service was simply changed to "J." |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:26:49 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 15 19:05:56 2012. The one at 42/3 in Manhattan was open at least till 1985 because I ate there on the way to the closing ceremonies for the Statue of Liberty that year. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:27:15 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 18:29:55 2012. Takes time to find the blueprints and make the parts.-w- |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 19:29:10 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 14 20:16:24 2012. (the last chord of Catacombae [Sepulchrvm Romanvm] sounds in the distance)... |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 15 20:07:33 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 19:19:05 2012. Barnacle Gray the Sailor...:P |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 20:16:12 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 15 20:07:33 2012. Heh. Banned in 57 states. ;) |
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Posted by Handbrake on Wed Aug 15 22:34:05 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Fisk ave Jim on Tue Aug 14 13:14:01 2012. Imagine if the BRT A types had been repainted in the MTA silver and blue!!!Fifty or so BRT A type car interiors were repainted the same interior color scheme as the R9's just before being scrapped. I can't recall the original intent of why the cars were repainted. I recall seeing a three car train of repainted BRT A/B types holding on track A3 at the IND 23rd Street station one night as I got off a R40 inbound from queens. First time that I ever saw a BRT A/B type on the IND main line outside of the Q/B line. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Wed Aug 15 22:42:05 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 13 18:01:06 2012. Consider volunteering to do restoration work to the A/B's on Tuesday nights.If you want to see them ever run again, now is the time to act before the salty Coney Island air finish's what the scrap dealer did not do in 1969. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Wed Aug 15 22:45:40 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:27:10 2012. Volunteers are doing the restoration work, not the MTA as many believe. The same hold true for the IND cars that ran on last Sunday's trip. Volunteers got those cars going. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 15 23:18:25 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 15 15:31:44 2012. The "B" was full of R-1s and R-4s in the early Post-Chrystie days. Some of the lowest-numbered cars ran there before being scrapt. They were in bad to awful shape.wayne |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 23:22:57 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Wed Aug 15 19:21:43 2012. I think you missed a couple of stages. The JJ, RJ, NX, etc. lasted for a little while after Chrystie St. At one point, 4 lines called 168 St-Jamaica a terminal. As for QJ, it lasted until '76 or '77, when the big shakeup which got rid of the EE, shifted the M to Coney Island via Brighton, and the N to 71-Continental, happened. I believe that's when they also got rid of the last of the R-9's. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 04:03:38 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Handbrake on Wed Aug 15 22:34:05 2012. By the time the MTA interior paint scheme was developed most of the BMT steels were gone and there certainly weren't enough single A cars left to paint in that scheme. I worked the BMT Eastern in the last years of the steels and non were painted in the R-9 paint scheme. Other than the 2390/91/92 unit which was restored to its original pre unification paint scheme, the remaining steels were painted in a speckled green interior scheme similar to the last 10 IRT R-22 cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 04:08:10 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 15 23:22:57 2012. The JJ, RJ and NX were products of Chrystie and the M started operating via the Brighton Line long before the EE was eliminated which was in the summer of 1976. The RJ and the NX were eliminated at about the same time as was the JJ. I was a BMT towerman at the time and was well familiar with the service patterns as they evolved. When the EE was eliminated, I was the T/D at Church Ave. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 04:09:23 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 04:03:38 2012. Never realized there were so few 22's painted that way. Encountered them often on the 3 of all places and thought it was pretty neat. Saw it on some standards on the upper Myrt as well. I liked it. :) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:31:18 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Mon Aug 13 18:56:23 2012. Were you able to make requests from dispatchers back then or did it just fall into your putin that way? I got my hands on the second to last green R10 and the last WH R30 that way by asking for a swap on the stand if it happened to be there. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:37:11 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 15 06:19:26 2012. As a kid I thought so too. All the Concourse stations were lit with incandescent lighting so all of them looked dirty brown to me until I rode my first Nostalgia Special out to the Rockaways and saw the light |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 16 14:10:39 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:31:18 2012. You probably could, but in the case of that R-40, it just happened to be the train that was on the stand at the time so I took it. A few months later, I was working the QJ and although the line was mostly R-27/30s, the interval behind mine was an R-9 and I couldn't get another M/M to swap with me which was surprising since most of the newbies at that time, except for Big Ed, preferred SMEEs to R-9s. |
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