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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Sat Jul 11 20:25:42 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 11 12:24:43 2009. That would mean, though, that the A and the C would not be able to share fleets in an emergency due to the different car lengths. If some situation happened right now, you can just attach 2 R32s to a C train to make service, but you can't do that with the R160s. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 11 23:39:06 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 11 13:40:05 2009. YOU were the person who said the 32's were heading over to the east...Eric only speculated the skuttlebutt..YOU STATED IT AS FACT. FACT..the 42s will retire from the east. FACT..the ONLY CAR REPLACING THEM will be the 160a. FACT..the 42s are in pretty good shape,and should last untill replacement equipment is available... |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 02:28:49 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 11 23:39:06 2009. 1:The R32s are way better than the 42s in shape2:Eny will get 32s because they can't afford more R160 sets 3: I Rather a 32 over the 42. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 12 07:02:35 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 02:28:49 2009. You have no proof, correct? This is 100% your opinion with absolutely no basis for your ASSumption!Who in a position of power at MTA/NYCT has informed you or anybody else of YOUR decision? If you have kept up with the posts of widecab5, who KNOWS exactly what's going on, he has stated for a fact that 32 cars of 8/4 car sets of R160's are replacing the remaining R42's at ENY. 18 cars "short?" Sure, via better equipment utilization. I'll submit this to you: ENY has had a higher spare factor ever since the first R143 was delivered. With the upcoming retirement of the remaining R42's, the reality of service requirements vs. the spare factor will be bought back to a realistic level. Don't forget the 4 car R143 set that has been o/s for 2 years will also be bought back at some point. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 12 16:59:33 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 02:28:49 2009. you response was MORE "railfan nonsense"...Fact...because YOU like the 32's..it doesn't mean JACK to the TA.. FACT...The 42 are in good shape..that could be the reason why they held on to them..instead of taking the 60 160a-2 cars from C.I. FACT...ENY will NOT get 32s...EVER..NEVER..EVER. FACT..YOU can keep wishing. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 18:39:21 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 12 16:59:33 2009. 1 yes I belive that the 32s will be@Eny and not more R160A. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Jul 12 19:02:02 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 18:39:21 2009. Place your bets!
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 12 22:04:30 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 18:39:21 2009. You don't give up too easily don't you?Keep dreaming! |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 12 22:25:27 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 12 22:04:30 2009. must be some good stuff he's smokin there... |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Mon Jul 13 00:18:14 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 18:39:21 2009. It has been clearly stated in the second option order that 32 cars will specifically be built into 4-car sets for the Eastern Division (which is exactly what Bill said...). You can continue on believing that R160As won't go to ENY, even though 32 have already been slated for just that. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Mon Jul 13 14:07:49 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 12 22:25:27 2009. No I don't and I don't smoke but I'm hopin that it will happen. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Mon Jul 13 15:21:52 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 12 16:59:33 2009. I won't say nothing Nomore but Lets just see, Because I do have freinds that work with the TA and Anything can happen, But If this does happen, It would be funny because All of you will fell stupid.And the R42's are Not in good Shape, They look Like a Peice of shit on Wheels. |
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Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Bzuck on Mon Jul 13 17:30:30 2009, in response to 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Widecab5 on Sat Jul 4 22:57:44 2009. I have read there was consideration of an option III to be somewhere around 230 additional cars. Is this still under consideration or is it dead? |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 13 17:43:17 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3671 on Mon Jul 13 15:21:52 2009. You have that right, I rode a mixed R40M/R42 consist on the V today and it looked ready for Weeks 297 (a/k/a the Barge of Death). |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jul 13 19:50:06 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R160 8818 on Sat Jul 11 20:25:42 2009. Agreed, the C should be a full 600' train otherwise it won't be compatible with the A anymore. [Unless they were to send the C to ENY... lol] |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Jul 13 19:59:05 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jul 13 19:50:06 2009. The C line needs to be full length already. I rode on a crush loaded C from 34th to 59th Street this morning. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 13 21:30:35 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3671 on Mon Jul 13 15:21:52 2009. Your post alone states more about you than you know..You and everybody else here knows someone who works for transit...so what are you saying?I managed to catch an 42 this evening,on the J,and it was "in pretty good shape"..at least the car I was in..so I was fine with it. Also,son...I could care less ABOUT what MODEL train pulls into a station..as long as it takes me where I want to go...UNDERSTAND? So in the long or short run..I doubt if your predictions will EVER COME TO PASS...and YOU will feel[fell?..what that got to do with anything?] stupid. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jul 13 21:33:21 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by 33rd Street on Mon Jul 13 19:59:05 2009. It's mainly Brooklyn that doesn't need that many cars though. Could they turn back a few C trains at WTC? |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 13 21:33:46 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by 33rd Street on Mon Jul 13 19:59:05 2009. The C needs to run more frequently, not use longer trains. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 13 21:35:14 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Mon Jul 13 14:07:49 2009. Confirmed.... |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jul 13 22:28:00 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by R32_3672 on Sun Jul 12 18:39:21 2009. Stappies foam LOL |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jul 13 22:37:34 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 13 21:33:46 2009. The C will need longer trains when all the R32's are gone. Otherwise the A and C won't be able to borrow trains from each other. But I still say the Brooklyn side doesn't need that much service. All the C does is take ppl to the A and the C becomes empty along the Fulton St stations. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Jul 13 23:22:46 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jul 13 22:37:34 2009. I don't understand how that should warrant less service even if it's true. The C would still be the only line serving many local stops which Brooklyn passengers use and it is the only line serving Franklin Av w/ a transfer to the Shuttle. I wonder if WTC could even terminate anymore trains than it already does at most times. |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Tue Jul 14 08:22:05 2009, in response to Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Bzuck on Mon Jul 13 17:30:30 2009. Il est mort.Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Jul 14 08:23:32 2009, in response to Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Bzuck on Mon Jul 13 17:30:30 2009. It was never under consideration. Stop listening to Chipper10 |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 14 16:19:48 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jul 13 22:28:00 2009. "Strappies Foam..."For sure.... |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 15 00:03:37 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Jul 13 23:22:46 2009. I'm just 'wondering' if maybe WTC can turn back maybe 1 extra C train per hour. I mean this way the same total number of cars will still serve Brooklyn, but just one less train. |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 15 00:09:16 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 15 00:03:37 2009. Why don't you 'ask' the applicable Line Manager? |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Wed Jul 15 16:41:43 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Jul 14 08:23:32 2009. Whom is Chipper 10?There certainly was an "Option III" under consideration before Option II was finalized. Had they been undertaken as originally proposed the final tally on the R-160 order would have been 1,900. Advice of that proposal came from several sources within the MTA over the second half of 2008. MTA finally expanded the second option a wee bit and finalized it in November. If you'll recall the original order as placed in 2002 was expected to top out at 1,700 with all options undertaken. The actual grand total will be 1,762. Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Bzuck on Wed Jul 15 17:31:22 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Widecab5 on Wed Jul 15 16:41:43 2009. Chipper 10 is someone who posts less than accurate information. Enough said.If you have the breakdown of the 1,762 that would be interesting? I think the number I have seen is something like 1,664 (I may be a bit off). |
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Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jul 15 17:54:54 2009, in response to Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jul 15 00:03:37 2009. In most cases for E service at WTC when a crew brings in a train they take back the next E to Parsons. If you have one C per hour terminating there, if the same C crew takes the same train out, you delay E service (or you need an uneven headway because of the C being in the way. If you also have a C drop back crew, it's not productive to have them sitting there for an hour.As it is there are more A trains than C trains. By occasionally turning one at WTC, it makes uneven C headways and you are screwing Fulton St. local passengers with a missing local train. |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jul 16 08:00:04 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Widecab5 on Wed Jul 15 16:41:43 2009. >>The actual grand total will be 1,762.<<Oh, WOW! As one might think about it, that 1,762 total for the R-160's will a bit more than the combined total of R-1 to R-9 subway cars originally built over a ten-year period numbering at 1,703. -William A. Padron ["(C) 8 Avenue Local"] |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jul 16 23:04:39 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Bzuck on Wed Jul 15 17:31:22 2009. 340 for the East470 for Coney Island 820 for Jamaica 32 more for the East ------ 1762 total. |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 16 23:27:37 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jul 16 23:04:39 2009. why so many for Jamaica? |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Chipper10 on Thu Jul 16 23:30:10 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 16 23:27:37 2009. The order is 1,662 R160 cars. |
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Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942) |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Thu Jul 16 23:51:26 2009, in response to Re: Option III - Re: 9123-9162 and the Option II R-160B's (9807-9942), posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 16 23:27:37 2009. They're retiring the R42's out of Jamaica and bumping the R46's to 207/Pitkin to kill the R32's IIRC. |
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