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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 09:00:37 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Oct 16 02:48:14 2016. The Illinois Central had the S-Bahn idea back in the 1920's. High platforms, fare control in stations, electric MU trains. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 09:05:15 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Hamilton Express on Sun Oct 16 08:18:39 2016. In the 70's NYCTA ran 24/7 service and provided shuttle buses when work was being done. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 16 09:26:42 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Hamilton Express on Sun Oct 16 08:18:39 2016. In terms if disrepair yes, but WMATA also thinks of themselves as a commuter railroad, like PATH, and doesn't give a rat's ass how they crowd and serve infrequently its weekend customers, who are essentially pains in their asses. They'd love to be able to shut down until Noon on Sundays. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 16 13:17:19 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 15 06:36:01 2016. Most fans with jobs don't want day games. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 14:50:02 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 09:00:37 2016. The IC Electric, to me, was the gold standard of commuter operations; fast, punctual, frequent, rush hour "specials" skipping local stops, high level platforms, sliding doors. They were just the best.Sadly, Metra trains on the same tracks today from my grandfather's 'hood are few and slower. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 14:52:59 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 16 13:17:19 2016. shows your age and locus. Day games were heavily patronized in cities with a large cohort of shift jobs. The exodus to the suburbs and the death of manufacturing ended that. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 16 15:17:19 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 15 00:53:41 2016. Well, from what I know, the WMATA system is in serious trouble. As most of us know, the late-night service, though a nice thing, can't resume until things are reasonably fixed.It would be best, I think for WMATA to coordinate the Nats schedule with MLB. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Oct 16 15:55:04 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 09:00:37 2016. Except they wussed out and maintained a stub end terminal... |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 16:27:48 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 00:55:07 2016. NY is about the best of them although with the number of GOs taking tracks or sometimes entire lines out of service overnight, owl service is not as reliable as it used to be. I thought the the “new” systems would have learned from the mistakes of the old systems but apparently incompetence knows no state boundaries. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Oct 16 16:37:33 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 15 06:36:01 2016. That has always been the case and I acknowledged that.As said, the real problem is if you did have the game start at 6:40 to accommodate the Metro situation, you would have had executives and even heads of school districts on the west coast scream about people leaving (or wanting to leave) early to get home to watch first pitch at 3:40 Pacific Time. It appears a big part of the problem is ad buyers seem a need to cater more to the west coast, figuring us in the east will stay up all night regardless (and I'm one who has watched a lot of late night sports over the years). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Oct 16 16:42:11 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 15 01:02:49 2016. The problem here was MLB having to cater to FOX. FOX knows if you had say had the game at 6:40 to best assure those riding Metro of getting home, FOX would have had to deal with both advertiser make goods from ads not seen by viewers in LA who would have been still at work at first pitch as well as execs on the west coast who would see a mass exodus of people leaving work early (or threatening to) and screaming at FOX and MLB it's not fair to them (and it appears on stuff like this, networks are more inclined to listen to people in LA than New York). |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 16:43:10 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 00:34:32 2016. That may be true, but as I alluded to in another post, considering that WMATA should have learned from the mistakes and limitations of the older systems, it is a bit disappointing. Since the designers chose not to have a four track system with express service, the least they could have done is provide more Xovers between tracks at strategic locations so that functional single track operations could be done overnight for maintenance and allowing for all night operation. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:13:29 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 15 00:28:32 2016. Who would be the one issuing that order? A lot of people seem to have forgotten that when the Nats made the playoffs in 2012 and 2014, the team refused to pay for extra service beyond closing and third parties had to foot the bill. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:15:05 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 16 09:26:42 2016. Where do you come up with this stuff? WMATA does not see its weekend customers as a thorn in its side. The reality is that there are many more people using the system at rush hour. The noon opening on Sundays is simply a proposal for the sake of creating another option for the late night hearings, it isn't going to go anywhere. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:18:08 2016, in response to Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by andy on Fri Oct 14 18:46:57 2016. For those of you who forget, as Sand Box John said elsewhere in this thread, typically event organizers have to pay for expanded service, in this case the Nationals. The Nationals have refused to pay for such expansions of service, most notably when the team made the playoffs in 2012 and 2014. Third parties (Groupon and American University IINM) offered to pay to cover the extended service if necessary. The Wizards, Capitals, and Redskins all have paid the fees to expand service when WMATA provided the option to do so. I've seen no indication that the Nationals were going to pay this time around if WMATA agreed to extend service for the game.Instead of criticizing Metro for closing at midnight, people should criticize MLB for having 9 inning playoff games that take over 4 hours to complete and start at 8 PM local time. The game ended that night at about 12:30 AM. Regular season games start at 7, start the playoff games then too as well. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:19:59 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 15 17:26:24 2016. Who is going to be ordering the WMATA GM to keep the system open? You?Reportedly very few people left early. Max Scherzer already tried to lobby Metro but offered none of his own money to keep the system open longer. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:21:52 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 15 01:08:18 2016. The Nationals have never paid for extended service when they've made the playoffs. Let's not forget that fact. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:22:33 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 16 15:17:19 2016. MLB sets the playoff schedule. They seem to not consult with anyone except their TV partners. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:23:13 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 16 13:17:19 2016. Most fans with jobs don't want games starting at 8 PM and going until well past midnight either... |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 18:35:24 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 16:27:48 2016. NY is about the best of them although with the number of GOs taking tracks or sometimes entire lines out of service overnight, owl service is not as reliable as it used to be. I thought the the “new” systems would have learned from the mistakes of the old systems but apparently incompetence knows no state boundaries.They learned and in most cases designed in provision for it. In WMATA's case they haven't learned how to properly exploit those provision. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 18:49:49 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 16:43:10 2016. That may be true, but as I alluded to in another post, considering that WMATA should have learned from the mistakes and limitations of the older systems, it is a bit disappointing. Since the designers chose not to have a four track system with express service, the least they could have done is provide more Xovers between tracks at strategic locations so that functional single track operations could be done overnight for maintenance and allowing for all night operation.A 4 track railroad is in my opinion a BS argument. WMATA is only exploiting roughly 60 percent of the train control and signaling systems designed capacity. The only reason why they can't do better then 60 percent is they don't have the rolling stock. As to the crossovers WMATA has more per mile then most of the legacy systems. Sure there are a few that in hindsight that were improperly located. Problem is WMATA has not learned how to properly exploit the crossovers they have to keep things moving. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 19:01:29 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:13:29 2016. Anybody who had some sort of oversight over the agency which probably includes the President of the US if he were even interested. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 19:10:51 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Oct 16 16:42:11 2016. Catering to FOX, are you kidding, MLB has been scheduling Pennant and World series games in prime time sense the 1970s.John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 16 20:20:10 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:18:08 2016. If there's one thing I've learned from this board is people are entrenched in their opinions, which is fine, but when anybody tries to present the other side of the coin it is difficult to have them change their stance. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 16 20:22:33 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 15 06:36:01 2016. Bump. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 21:52:27 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Oct 16 15:55:04 2016. There is ariver just north of the terminal. What other design would you propose? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:05:56 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 16:27:48 2016. My analysis is that BART and WMATA deliberately ignored most of the lessons from NYC and Chicago. When the IND was built,, they planned for bigger crowds, allowed for (sadly) never built branches, and designed in flexibility which allows reroutes in emergencies or major changes in ridership patterns.BART built stations w/inadequate stairs/escalators/faregates which retard passenger flow. Both systems deployed escalators as if rain (snow in DC's case) had been abolished which costs millions in otherwise un-necessary repairs. Incompetence and counterproductive design are rampant. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:11:39 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:21:52 2016. nor should they. WMATA exists for the "public necessity andconvenience". |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 16 22:41:19 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:11:39 2016. That makes sense. Asking the public to build the stadiums is one thing, but asking a public transit system to pay for the cost of its own operation is not at all unreasonable. While NYRA was cajoled into assisting with the upgrade of the Belmont Park LIRR station for essentially one day a year, the government also somehow found the money to kick in its share when push came to shove. It's all a matter of will. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 16 22:43:52 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 19:10:51 2016. FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC... it's all network television. Just substitute "network television" for "FOX" and the statement is valid. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sun Oct 16 22:50:01 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:22:33 2016. Sadly aLll the MLB cars about is the TV broadcasts. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 23:10:31 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:05:56 2016. My analysis is that BART and WMATA deliberately ignored most of the lessons from NYC and Chicago. When the IND was built,, they planned for bigger crowds, allowed for (sadly) never built branches, and designed in flexibility which allows reroutes in emergencies or major changes in ridership patterns.BART built stations w/inadequate stairs/escalators/faregates which retard passenger flow. Both systems deployed escalators as if rain (snow in DC's case) had been abolished which costs millions in otherwise un-necessary repairs. The issue with escalators in WMATA's case had to do with their decision to allow competitive bidding on contracts for later segments. The initial competitive escalator bid had multi segment options in it and went to Westinghouse. Many of those Westinghouse escalator are still in use to this day. Most of the stuff that's giving WMATA problems today was from later vendors. As example the east entrance escalator at Georgia Avenue - Petworth installed in 1999 are being replaced as I right this. The Westinghouse escalators in the north entrance of Dupont Circle were installed in 1976 and WMATA has made no announcements as to when they might be replaced. The same applies to the Westinghouse escalators at Rosslyn installed the same year. WMATA paid a premium price for those Westinghouse escalators that had patented technology in them. Most are sill running reasonably reliably well past the expected end of their service life. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 23:34:06 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:11:39 2016. nor should they. WMATA exists for the "public necessity andconvenience".In my opinion providing public transportation to sports venues does not fall into the category of 'public necessity'. WMATA spent some bucks upgrading the east entrance to the Navy Yard station to accommodate the spectators going to Nationals Park, however that same entrance is being used daily to accommodate the occupants of the hundreds of thousands of square feet of new commercial and residential development that sprung up around the station. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 00:37:51 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 23:34:06 2016. Whether sports events which I have no interest in or music, the point is we citizens/taxpayers fund the transit system to transport us to/from these venues. When the remnants of the Dead played the Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, (San Jose) VTA laid on express buses from the venue back to BART and Caltrain. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 00:59:59 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 16 20:20:10 2016. When you start agitating to discredit Local 100 and praising TA suits and the pols...Some of us have had sufficiently long life to have formed attitudes which we think are correct. OTOH, I always welcome factual corrections. I spent a bit of time today looking at/walking thru early production models of BART's "fleet of the future". Three Directors were there as well as many staff including the General Manager. The Dir. who represents my district (we elect them) and I disagree on many policy issues, but when he contradicted my interpretation of stations usage stats, I immediately asked him to email me the data he claimed validated his position. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 01:10:46 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 00:37:51 2016. Whether sports events which I have no interest in or music, the point is we citizens/taxpayers fund the transit system to transport us to/from these venues. When the remnants of the Dead played the Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, (San Jose) VTA laid on express buses from the venue back to BART and Caltrain.In my opinion VTA was under no obligation to do so. As a kid I went to A's, Chefs and Royals games at Municipal Stadium and Blues games at the American Royal. Most of the time we carpooled. On a few occasions we road a bus to Municipal Stadium chartered from KCATA that one needed to purchase a tickets in advance to ride. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Oct 17 01:52:53 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 21:52:27 2016. What other design would you propose?The alcohol fueled idea with a former Chicago based friend was a deep bore tunnel with two tracks aiming for 90 second headways* connecting to the stuff that normally goes to Ogilvie. This map was the third rate sketch we came up with for our design. I suspect that with a bit more research, what goes into that tunnel could change... *Like RER A which moves 4 times what Metra moves. Signals are your friends. :-) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 17 03:23:12 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 18:49:49 2016. A dedicated blue line through downtown would help this tremendously. Instead of single tracking, they could send all three lines in one direction over it. The current shared blue/orange/silver line is basically crippled whenever there is single tracking. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:23:17 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Bzuck on Sun Oct 16 22:50:01 2016. Well, if that's the case, WMATA just needs to make it very well known that under present conditions, they can't operate late service- no matter what.Making the system safe ASAP has to take priority. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:29:35 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 00:55:07 2016. I agree with your point that transit service should, well, serve the public, LOL. I think it's great that NYC has mostly 24/7 service!!The late-night service on WMATA was also a very good thing, and I hope they bring it back. But getting things fixed quickly, for the benefit of peak-hour users and ultimately everybody, has to be job #1. That's why I said that NYC's is "mostly" 24/7- we close major segments when necessary (although I'll admit that we do often re-schedule GOs if there's a major event going on). Just look at the plans for the L and the M lines. And how long were the Manhattan Bridge "H" tracks out of service? 13 years, I think! |
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Posted by Bzuck on Mon Oct 17 07:33:13 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:23:17 2016. Won't change the greedy minds of MLB. They don't care about local fans. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 08:56:36 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 17 03:23:12 2016. A dedicated blue line through downtown would help this tremendously. Instead of single tracking, they could send all three lines in one direction over it. The current shared blue/orange/silver line is basically crippled whenever there is single tracking.Preforming routine preventive maintenance on the railroad and a fleet that is of a proper size for the demanded service would be a hell of a lot cheaper then building the M Street subway. The object of the game is to put the effort into making single tracking rare not routine in the daytime. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Oct 17 10:06:02 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 16 22:41:19 2016. Asking the public to build the stadiums is one thing, but asking a public transit system to pay for the cost of its own operation is not at all unreasonable.Staying open past regular operating hours does not constitute "its own operation." |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 12:50:41 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Oct 17 01:52:53 2016. Okay, I thought you were referring to the 1920's buildout.There are Chicago area folks lobbying for some sort of connection. Ofcourse I would want to electrify whatever gets built. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 12:51:26 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by fdtutf on Mon Oct 17 10:06:02 2016. SERVE YOUR MARKET |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 17 12:58:21 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 15 00:28:32 2016. That is outlandish. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 14:20:03 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:21:52 2016. Al this talk about who should pay for what seems to miss the fact that were additional service operated, the passengers exiting from the sports or concert venue will be paying part of the additional expense by simply paying fares to ride the system. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 14:26:36 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 01:10:46 2016. clearly we have different views of "public service" and "the public necessity and convenience". I would add that guaranteeing public transit both ways for an 80k seat venue does reduce the likelihood of massive trafficjams, which is also of benefit to the citizenry in general. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 14:27:14 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 14:20:03 2016. true that. |
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Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 14:38:39 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 14:27:14 2016. To amplify. A couple decades ago when Sir Paul wasn't yet a knight, he was giving a concert at the Cal Berkeley football stadium. BART was so jammed with riders that they were running 10 car trains on a Saturday, and when I got to Fremont (going opposite for dinner w/ friends) I saw they hard card tables staffed by office staff manually selling tix for cash. (guarded by BART PD). The system was swamped.I then thought that all large venue events should be surcharged a couple bucks to facilitate the extra service, but with the event tix serving as a "day pass" for transit to the event. While this could have been easily done in the hard ticket past, it seems to me that a "splash dot" on one's cell could be used now. The principle remains the same, the attendees pay a bit more for the show in trade for transit access including the guaranteed ride home. Because many of us would already have monthly transit passes, the agencies should make out because with electronic fare registry actual usage could be easily sorted out by agency for distributing the funds. |
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