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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010 Commuter rail stock was on the "siding" at Fern Rock. Note the SL V's have a "full dome" on the roof instead of the 2 short domes. Rides during the event were rejected by the union. Regional Rail had all 4 types of Silverliners on display. Legend 269 SL II:  SL III 233 with 2/2 seating that is not fixed:  SL IV 280 with a nasty looking LED sign:  SL V 801/802:  801 has a half cab w "railfan seat":  802 has full width bulkhead w window:  According to SEPTA reps on site the SL V's "are quick on throttle & break response" & nothing major has been revealed during testing. The full vs. half cab issue is still not resolved. ALP44 2308:  And Genset 2GS14B #70:  All equipment had very good technical data handouts (except the SL V's):  |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 11:51:14 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Thank you again :) These are more great gems :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 26 12:02:21 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Great shot of 802 with the controversial full cab. That's a keeper, the shot, I mean. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 26 12:07:56 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. According to SEPTA reps on site the SL V's "are quick on throttle & break response" & nothing major has been revealed during testing. The full vs. half cab issue is still not resolved.The BLE is fighting about the cab.It's going to be a long fight. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 12:17:39 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 26 12:07:56 2010. It will be a fight. Maybe they should do what MNR & LIRR does it when there is an operator in that car the cab is full cab, and when the car is behind the lead it is a 1/2 cab. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 26 12:37:36 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Great stuff again, K!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 26 12:38:05 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 12:17:39 2010. That will still take away seats and I don't think SEPTA has the money to make the change. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 26 12:39:08 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 26 12:07:56 2010. In this economy SEPTA can tell the BLE to go fornicate itself with a rusty pole. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Sep 26 12:40:17 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 26 12:39:08 2010. I hope you are right. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 12:53:26 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 12:17:39 2010. That's how it works on the M7s?Anyway, that's what the "full cab" would be on the Silverliner Vs if the engineers get their way. I can understand where they are coming from, though, after sitting in the cabs of the older Silverliners for a little bit. That cuts down on a lot of space, daylight, and you wouldn't even be able to look out the left side of the car (it may not matter, but still...). I don't like the "full cab version" because it looks cheap and I feel that the third window should be longer and could even provide a "railfan view" while giving a better view of the display. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 12:54:40 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Fantastic photos! I was there too (my first time) and definitely enjoyed the event. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 12:58:46 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Are they going to install those bus style LEDs on all the trains? Are the trains now carrying new signage without the R designations?Thanks for the photos in this post and the others too. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 12:58:55 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 26 12:38:05 2010. True, but you can leave the seats there like MNR & LIRR did and when the cab is a half cab then pax can sit there.From the pic with the full cab, it looks like they'd just have to put in a door latch on the other side so the door can be secured in 1/2 position when not in use like LIRR/MNR. But, yeah they'd still have to convert the other cabs that haven't yet been done, but since so few are on property it should be possible and tell Rotem to do it before they deliver the rest. We will see, but think this will make everyone happy (I hope). |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:01:37 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 12:17:39 2010. It is my understanding that engineers want a full permanent standard bulkhead....no window like 802 has. The kicker is revealed below....there is a seat on the other side! This setup appears to be some sort of test/compromise. When I was inside 802 during the display at Suburban Station in April it didn't have the full bulkhead:  Also from what I understand SEPTA's position is they don't wan to lose the capacity the full width cab takes. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:02:27 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 12:53:26 2010. Well, I think the engineers should have the option to have the full cab. Maybe SEPTA can design a better look to it, but from the pic it looks like the same space as the M7s. The silverliner cabs I've seen on the older stuff looks ok to me. We will see only time will tell. BLE will fight, SEPTA will fight. I suspect not saying I know but suspect engineers may refuse to take out the SLVs. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:08:00 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:01:37 2010. Ok, given that I would side w/SEPTA. It should be a convertible cab like MNR & LIRR has. The engineer's should have a full cab IMHO. But, when a cab is not in use it should be a 1/2 cab just like MNR & LIRR. Then the train loses only 2 seats per train no big deal. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Sep 26 13:13:30 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Nice! Esp the ones of the Sliverliner Vs! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:17:48 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 12:58:46 2010. Are they going to install those bus style LEDs on all the trains? Are the trains now carrying new signage without the R designations?Yes & this one is HIDEOUS! Let's see how they handle the push/pulls:  Yes....all Regional Rail service will have blue/gray signs like this one. Complete sets of "R" signage were on sale at the rodeo for about $70: 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 26 13:20:06 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. Nice shots. I've never seen an SL III with that kind of interior. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:22:03 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:08:00 2010. Then the train loses only 2 seats per train no big deal.No. Take a, say 6 car SL V train. With 3 bride & groom sets that is 12 seats. There was a thread on this earlier this week. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:26:57 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:17:48 2010. Cool shots :) I understand the elimination of the numbers, but will miss them anyways :( |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:28:06 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 26 13:20:06 2010. I've never seen an SL III with that kind of interior.They were supposed to be for dedicated Airport sevice. They have oversized luggage racks at each end & less capacity. Another point aboout the III's is the controls are on the left side of the cab. They were purchased for the Harrisburg service & the idea was to have the ability to load without the engineer needing to move. According to the SEPTA guys on hand they also ride much better than the SLII's & IV's. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:29:08 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:22:03 2010. Yes, but if they go with the idea of having the cabs convertible like MNR & LIRR has, it would only be the 2 seats as the rest of the cabs should be half cabs, but not sure if SEPTA can change now :(12 seats is not THAT big of a loss, but I would still object. Maybe I will write a note to SEPTA with my idea, doesn't hurt I guess. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 14:08:18 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:17:48 2010. If I had known, I would have made arrangements for someone to buy a set for me. Any idea if they are on sale anywhere else? |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 14:11:32 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 14:08:18 2010. Ditto |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 26 14:22:38 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 12:58:46 2010. the led seems like an improvement. The little plastic signs weren't always easy to spot or missing once in a while.I recall there was always a sign for center city anyway with no R designation. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 26 14:23:37 2010, in response to PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 11:43:51 2010. "Rides during the event were rejected by the union."Protecting the employees from those pesky riders while maintaining fiscal discipline. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:07:49 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:02:27 2010. Why should the engineers or other crew members have the option or even a say in the matter? Frankly, the front cabs are notoriously the "hiding place" where crews distract the engineers with conversation, etc. All of the reasons given for full width cabs are pure nonsense. In addition, I recently was advised that the FRA has suggested to SEPTA that they retain the half-width cabs to eliminate this ongoing and dangerous situation.Further, SEPTA has come out publicly {in the Philadelphia Inquirer} and announced that the cabs will be half-width. Luther Diggs is directly quoted as saying that it would elimitate too many seats and that SEPTA found no really good reason to do it. For once, I applaud SEPTA for taking a stand and doing the right thing. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 26 15:19:41 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 13:02:27 2010. A full width cab would facilitate OPTO. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 15:33:28 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:07:49 2010. If SEPTA does it right, it would only take up 2 seats per train, as designed now it takes up 12 seats on a 6 car train. Either way not too many compared to rest of capacity. If SEPTA were to change the design which at this early stage can be done as the majority of the cars haven't been delivered, they can design it like MNR & LIRR where only 1 cab per train is a full cab. I never heard about the FRA telling SEPTA that so cannot comment on it. But RR's have had it for years there is no danger to it AFAIK. In fact I think what is wrong is the engineers had full width cabs there and now it is being taken away but I can be wrong on that as I have not ride in the head cars. The crews should have a say as they have to operate."Frankly, the front cabs are notoriously the "hiding place" where crews distract the engineers with conversation, etc" Sorry, that is pure BS. If a crew member is distracting an engineer then the engineer should tell the crew member to shut up. Maybe not like that. We have a resident engineer here who does that. A crew member will honor the engineer's request to shut up. They have the right to their own space which should not be cramped, remember that area is their office. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 15:34:16 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 26 15:19:41 2010. Not on commuter rail, someone still has to punch tickets. Even Caltrain still has c/r's despite POP. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 15:45:27 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 14:08:18 2010. The old signs are being sold in the Transit Museum store. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:58:54 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:01:37 2010. Yep, they want no bulkhead window....so passengers can't see what they're doing up there. If for some reason SEPTA sadly caves in on this issue and there is a bulkhead window, you can bet it will be painted black in short order. Or a shade {always closed} will be attached to it under the excuse of glare, etc. The RiverLINE is a perfect example of that. The shades in the operator's cabs are shut tight even in daylight, when there is no glare from the interior lights. That, my friends, it total B S !! And mark my words, the same situation will exist if there are bulkhead windows on the Silverliner V's.In the top photo, I'll bet the crews would love that seat. Unfortunately, they have to stand while shmoozing with the engineers on the present Silverliners. This new layout, with two comfortable seats, will give them a great place to sit and lounge while not doing their job. If SEPTA falls for this....I give up !! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 15:59:15 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:07:49 2010. Why should the engineers or other crew members have the option or even a say in the matter?SEPTA blew it by not even asking for employee input. Sure, they don't have to, but with their labor history that gesture would have gone a loooong way. All of the reasons given for full width cabs are pure nonsense. You need to have a conversation with some troops in the field. Do you know some SEPTA engineers carry a "pee bottle" with them? Further, SEPTA has come out publicly {in the Philadelphia Inquirer} and announced that the cabs will be half-width Notorious SEPTIC grandstanding. If that is the case, why even do the 802 retrofit? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 16:00:38 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:58:54 2010. If SEPTA falls for this....I give up !!Give up anyway :o) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 16:16:58 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 15:45:27 2010. Thanks Brandon. Do you know if it is the whole set or are they individually sold there? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 16:21:46 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 16:16:58 2010. IIRC $7.50 each.... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 26 16:22:10 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 26 16:16:58 2010. Even if individually, I remember they cost about $8 each (I got R5 Parkesburg, R2 Baldwin and R6 Ivy Ridge). So it wouldn't be that much to get a full set, maybe $72? |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 16:23:04 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 26 12:39:08 2010. In this economy, those crews should be glad to be making the money they are. Millions of people are out of work or struggling to meet ends in a low paying job at a fast food restaurant. They'd gladly trade places with those complaining SEPTA crew members.For example, the new Sugar House Casino in Philly just hired 800 people. They stated that 20,000 people applied for those 800 jobs. Does that tell you anything? The local Philly T V news reporters interviewed stock brokers, real estate agents, etc., now working in casino jobs. So my point is that these SEPTA crew members shouldn't object to doing their jobs for what they're getting paid. Sure, we'd all love to lounge in a comfortable seat, do nothing and get paid for it. Who wouldn't? I ride on SEPTA trains where crews don't even bother to call out the stops on the P A and in some cases even collect tickets. If you want to find them, just open the front cab door !! I've even seen many cases where two crew members will be "up front" with the engineer while a third crew member will be working the doors, etc. Great job if you can get it...... I expect rail crew members who read this to scream their heads off, but they know I'm right. And you guys know I'm right too........... |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 16:33:08 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 15:59:15 2010. Exactly. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 16:33:40 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:07:49 2010. Why should the engineers or other crew members have the option or even a say in the matter?Why not? They are the ones running the equipment day in and day out. Besides, the most important aspect about this is employee morale. A happy employee tends to be a good employee, as well as an employee that can be more easily retained. SEPTA listens to the gov't regulators in regards to ADA accessibility (for those sideways flip up seats), advocacy groups for the 2x2 seating...but fights against the very people who have to spend the day operating the railcar? Besides, aren't these supposed to be the type of cabs that WMATA's Metrorail and SEPTA's Broad Street Subway have? Where, when not in used, the cab door can be used to just seal off the engineer's compartment and allow access to those seats for the riding public? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 26 16:36:18 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 16:23:04 2010. I've even seen many cases where two crew members will be "up front" with the engineer while a third crew member will be working the doors, etc.I have seen that as well (usually just 1) but the extra guy in the cab could just be off duty and going home for the day. I still think the cab should be half-width, especially for the extra seating capacity. SEPTA trains are too short for a crew lounge in the front cab. It works for the M7 because the trains are usually quite long anyway. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 26 16:42:15 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 15:33:28 2010. I never had any trouble with corner cabs on anything I operated on NYCTA. IRT M/M could very well have had a similar issue when the deck roof Hi-Vs were delivered with corner cabs instead of the full cabs that the Gibbs cars had. Also I don't recall any LIRR or M/N engineers making a stink when the M-1s ,2s and 3s came in, although that could be the reason that the M-7s and 8s have the convertible cab. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 26 16:45:46 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 16:33:40 2010. Although the BSS cars have convertible cabs, the M/F cars have corner cabs and are OPTO besides. While the trend on MTA seems to be toward transverse cabs, the trend on SEPTA seems to be towards corner cabs and I wouldn't be surprised if the next order of cars for the BSS comes in with corner cabs and closed circuit TV like the M/F cars. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 16:45:49 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 16:33:40 2010. Excellent post."Besides, aren't these supposed to be the type of cabs that WMATA's Metrorail and SEPTA's Broad Street Subway have? Where, when not in used, the cab door can be used to just seal off the engineer's compartment and allow access to those seats for the riding public?" That is what MNR & LIRR have. But, from my understanding SEPTA did not design it that way, but IMHO I think they should change the design to match that way. It shouldn't be too hard as not all the cars have been delivered. Actaually, they just need to put a latch on the vertical 1/4 wall. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 26 16:45:49 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by kp5308 on Sun Sep 26 13:17:48 2010. Wow, it's been confirmed that the LED sign is sure to go on all of the Silverliner?I still wonder why they couldn't make it fit in the above the engineer in that "blank window", inside of the car body. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 26 16:46:49 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 26 15:19:41 2010. M/F does fine with corner cabs and closed circuit TV on OPTO. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 26 16:47:36 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 26 16:36:18 2010. "It works for the M7 because the trains are usually quite long anyway."The M7s and M7As are only full cabbed when an engineer is operating, when the cab is not being operated from, it is a half cab. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 16:49:30 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 26 16:36:18 2010. Trust me, they're on duty. Every now and then the spirit moves them and they punch a few tickets, open a door, etc. It seems like the senior employees do the lounging while the junior employees do the actual work. And I might as well go all the way here while I get slammed by disgruntled employees.... Have you noticed the appearance of some SEPTA crew members lately? In my opinion {they're not working in a boiler factory} they could at least be neatly dressed in a clean uniform {and hat}, for what they're getting paid. And a cheerful, polite smile or hello would be a nice gesture too. Many act like they're doing the passengers a favor. Sure, working with the public can be difficult at times, but they chose the job. Without the passengers, they wouldn't have a job. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Sep 26 16:51:26 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sun Sep 26 15:58:54 2010. If SEPTA goes for a full cab, the bulkhead and door windows can be fitted with the same type of glass as the NYCT NTTs have. That way it will be a sort of RFW but the passengers would not be able to see the engineer and there would be no glare issue. |
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