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Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view! |
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Posted by Think twice on Mon Feb 22 14:32:52 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Now that is really cool. Marine Park was mostly farm land and marshes. And I could see the remnants of the old race track that Nostrand Avenue would run through. Plus it was nice to see the city before Robert Moses's highways carving everything up. If Google ever gets this aerial map, I'd love to superimpose my IND Second System Map on it.Thanks for the heads up N6 Limited! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 22 15:23:11 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. OMG...this is so awesome....you can see the old Whitestone Branch as it use to be....back in the day.... |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 22 15:31:11 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Great find. It's nice to have all that imagery connected like that page has it. Thanks for posting.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 22 15:46:54 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Nice....I checked out the NYW&B (Dyre Ave) line. Good stuff. Thanks, Lee |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Feb 22 16:00:49 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 22 15:23:11 2010. I did the same for the SIR...and the house where I grew up... |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Mon Feb 22 16:33:05 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Brooklynites will enjoy an aerial view of the NY & Manhattan Beach line, especially Manhattam Beach Junction in its last year of passenger operation.Note the tennis courts, the extra tracks for sidings (apparently with some passenger cars lined up). Then follow the line south to its terminal in Manhattan Beach. Great stuff. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 22 17:33:36 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Great to see Sands Street in all its glory! |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 22 17:44:22 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 22 17:33:36 2010. Queensboro Plaza and Broadway Jct too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Feb 22 18:22:55 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Think twice on Mon Feb 22 14:32:52 2010. Plus it was nice to see the city before Robert Moses's highways carving everything up.No kiddin. Just looking at the Van Wyck sout of Jamaica avenue and you can see the massive amount of houses that was destroyed in its creation. To stay on topic.Parsons-archer appears to be a few blocks short whrn you superimpose it on the 1924 map. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Feb 22 19:27:43 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Feb 22 16:00:49 2010. hey guys,do me a favor and see if you can pull up willis ave&132/3 st.circa 1922&post it. my library pc can`t do it thanx in advance. |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Feb 22 19:34:35 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Feb 22 18:22:55 2010. It clarified for me how the Norton's Point Line met the el structure. My memory was way off base. |
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Posted by Think twice on Mon Feb 22 20:45:30 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Feb 22 18:22:55 2010. "To stay on topic.Parsons-archer appears to be a few blocks short whrn you superimpose it on the 1924 map."Better and better. I'd love to get my map more true to life. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Feb 22 20:54:23 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Think twice on Mon Feb 22 14:32:52 2010. Its amazing to see the area around the Flushing Line in 24 - there's really still nothing much past QBP - especially north of Roosevelt - looks like there are a couple of farms in Jackson Heights! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 22 21:59:45 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 22 17:44:22 2010. Ooh and OT, but 108th St in the process of being carved through Corona! |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Feb 22 22:18:21 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 22 17:33:36 2010. Sands St. LIRR Flatbush Ave. Terminal  Chestnut St. connection  East NY 
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Feb 22 22:52:57 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. You rock dude! Great find! Told my other friends about it :-P |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 22 23:24:44 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Feb 22 20:54:23 2010. Yeah. There wasn't much in Sunnyside in those days. That would be later in the decade. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 00:04:43 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Feb 22 18:22:55 2010. To stay on topic.Parsons-archer appears to be a few blocks short whrn you superimpose it on the 1924 map.Speaking of which, I was looking for the Union Hall St LIRR stop (which doesn't appear to be there?), and it looks like they destroyed several blocks of development to build York College. Furthermore, it looks like the LIRR was at grade from Guy R. Brewer Blvd(New York Blvd) to Hollis Ave, and the streets that currently cross under it to the west to just before Sutphin Blvd actually used to cross over it. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 23 00:12:39 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Cool! I'll have to explore this in depth later (time for bed), but the last place I lived in Brooklyn was 1 1/2 blocks east of Ebbets Field (when I lived there, the park was gone and the apartment houses were up). So I click on the map, and of course the current views had the apartments, then go to 1924 and a baseball field appeared by magic :) Thing is, most of the houses on that block (Sullivan Pl) were there in 1924! (I think they were built some time in the teens). |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 00:32:57 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Feb 22 22:18:21 2010. So Flatbush LIRR Terminal was elevated?Broadway and Fulton St lines together, very interesting. What were the service patterns then? I'm sure Broadway express utilized. A few Observations, the only way to Manhattan from Northern Brooklyn and Southern Queens was via the Fulton St and Broadway Lines. It seems as if the Queens Blvd and 14 st lines siphoned their Trunk Status away. Before the Brighton Line extension under Flatbush Ave, full service ran up the current Franklin Shuttle route, and along the Fulton St Elevated? Wow, OT but, Tillary St didn't exist. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 23 03:20:30 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. I'm having a blast tracing the EXACT path of the Whitestone Branch, then phasing over to the 2006 view, and seeing the little hints in today's landscape that shows the path of the ROW, such as the size of some houses' backyards, and the curves of warehouses that are still standing today.The very beginning of the Cross Island Parkway just off the Whitestone Expressway follows the ROW. Whitestone Landing, the final stop of the LIRR, and its train yard, are now a large shopping center in Whitestone off 154th Street & 10th Avenue, with a Waldbaum's. It makes sense that today's larger commercial developments were able to use so much land thanks to the abandoned railways. Also, take a look at where the White Plains Road Line and Third Avenue El meet in the Bronx, near today's 3 Avenue - 149 Street Station. Now compare it to today's structure where the (2) and (5) enter the portal. Doesn't it look like the portal was moved, and the (2) and (5) now take the "diverging" tracks that used to connect to the el, except now they go underground after turning southwest? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 08:22:28 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 00:32:57 2010. The LIRR passenger terminal was underground. The elevated tracks you see are those leading to the elevated freight terminal.See Arrts-Arrchives |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 23 11:51:24 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 00:32:57 2010. Broadway and Fulton St lines together, very interesting. What were the service patterns then? From this awesome defunct site. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Feb 23 13:11:09 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Takes my breath away! This map is just short of orgasmic! |
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Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:01:13 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Feb 22 22:18:21 2010. Look at what seems to be an old ROW to the right of the Culver El in the middle of the picture. Given that the line was elevated in 1919 (I think) and this is from 1924, it seems likely that it would still be visible.
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:04:24 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Glad to hear everyone's enjoying those 1924 photos. I could look at them for hours! When I started at DoITT back in late 2005, the first project I did was to register those photos (originally from DCP) using ArcMap. Despite some seams and other mismatches, it proved not too difficult to line them up with newer photos. Considering that these were taken when aerial photography was in its infancy, and certainly long before computers and GIS, I was able to get good results. Enjoy!Bob |
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Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Feb 23 14:15:09 2010, in response to Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:01:13 2010. Could that have been the McDonald Ave trolley before the road under the El became McDonald Ave? If you follow it straight down to the Brighton Line, it does seem to line up where that line ran before it got to the West 5th St terminal. (The change in the girders can be seen today, in fact).Wow, no Belt Pkwy, no Coney Island Yard and I can see where my grandmother's house was on Brighton 3rd St. --Mark |
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Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Feb 23 14:18:01 2010, in response to Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:01:13 2010. Is there a ROW W of Stillwell??!! |
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Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 23 14:18:05 2010, in response to Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:01:13 2010. IIRC,thats the trolley row into W8th st. |
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Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated? |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:35:11 2010, in response to Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Feb 23 14:18:01 2010. Yes, the Norton's Point trolley ROW is clearly visible.Bob |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:41:34 2010, in response to Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:35:11 2010. You can also see some of the old ROW of the Brooklyn, Bath and Coney Island RR (now the West End) closer to the water. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 23 15:07:01 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. It is fascinating. I watched the Queens neighborhood where I grew up change from a swampy field in 1924 to rows upon rows of houses in 2006. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 23 16:36:33 2010, in response to Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Feb 23 14:41:34 2010. And the old ROW into the Sea Beach terminal. |
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Posted by Think twice on Tue Feb 23 18:33:43 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Feb 23 13:11:09 2010. Hear, hear!Instead of some static sketch symbolizing what was, this is what it actually was, accurate and exact, frozen in time, with actual people down there doing actual things. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Tue Feb 23 21:37:17 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 23 00:12:39 2010. The 1924 map shows the remains of Ebbets Field's predecessor, Washington Park, on between First and Third Streets and Third and Fourth Avenues. The field is gone, two of Con Ed's current buildings are standing in left field on the corner of Third and Third, but the grandstand is still there. Pretty amazing website! |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 21:43:49 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 23 11:51:24 2010. Wow, that Broadway Express was really utilized. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 23:29:48 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:04:24 2010. Thanks! Great job! Will they possibly be adding more years to that map between 1924 and 2006? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Feb 24 01:42:06 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:04:24 2010. It's incredible, and I can spend hours looking it over. |
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Posted by Bill West on Wed Feb 24 06:31:30 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Feb 24 01:42:06 2010. NYPL Digital Gallery has also had these pictures individually available for a few years. Unfortunately I’ve seen no mention of other years.Bill |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Feb 24 09:43:55 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:04:24 2010. THANK YOU!!! |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Feb 24 11:22:06 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 23:29:48 2010. We have plans to do that, but no ETA so far.Bob |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Feb 24 11:32:15 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 23 23:29:48 2010. Thanks! Great job! Will they possibly be adding more years to that map between 1924 and 2006?In the meantime, there are NYC aerials dating back to about 1954 at HistoricAerials.com. |
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Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Wed Feb 24 21:28:47 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Nice find! It was interesting to see how the block I lived on in Jamaica, Queens for the first 25 years of my life looked like in 1924 (it certainly didn't have a big apartment building on it back then!).Koi |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Feb 25 10:28:05 2010, in response to Re: Was the ROW of the Culver Line moved when it was elevated?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 23 16:36:33 2010. And part of the Cedarhurst Cutoff.
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Feb 25 10:59:58 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by GIS Man on Tue Feb 23 14:04:24 2010. Thanks. These are amazing. Great work! |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Feb 25 11:43:34 2010, in response to See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 22 14:14:51 2010. Take a look at the area north of Grand Central. You can see through to the tracks on three lots that had not been built upon, the New York Central Building (1929) site straddling Park between 45th and 46th and The Barclay Hotel (1926) site on Lexington between 48th and 49th. The hotel, like the New York Central Building, was built by the railroad. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Feb 25 11:47:55 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by GIS Man on Wed Feb 24 11:22:06 2010. I would be curious what years might be available....something in the 1940 range would be a perfect intermediate time period, as it would show the growth from 1924...not to mention the 39-40 WF.....Again, this is amazing....and VERY addictive! |
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Posted by Think twice on Thu Feb 25 12:49:23 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Feb 22 20:54:23 2010. "Its amazing to see the area around the Flushing Line in 24..."Do you think we'll find George Wilson's garage and the "eyes of T.J. Eckleburg" in the Valley of Ashes. :-) |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Feb 25 12:52:57 2010, in response to Re: See the elevated lines from 1924 from an aerial view!, posted by Think twice on Thu Feb 25 12:49:23 2010. Wow, what a very well read bunch of rail fans we are. My complements to your taste in literature, TT. |
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