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Posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 18 17:01:55 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 14:08:59 2009. And you know, Why the hell is he taking a damn sneak shot of a child!? (I was 12 in that photo) |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Wed Nov 18 17:04:13 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 18 16:51:27 2009. It's not quote unquote "instant" but somewhere in the area of 1-2 seconds typically. Since operators almost always coast for at least a second or two before grabbing brake, the use of the spotting wire takes care of the setup time while coasting rather than when brake is grabbed = quicker response once the handle is actually moved to service brake range. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 18 17:07:52 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 10:53:30 2009. The problem with current NYCTS operations as opposed to traditional service patterns is that most of the NYCTS lines operate as a combination of local and express operations. At the present time, the only lines that operate as true locals during their entire hours of operation are the #1, C, G, L, M, R and W. Even the R shuttle is not a complete local 24/7 since N/B R shuttles operate express between 59 St and 36 St in Bkln to facilitate turning at 36 St. The rest of the NYCTA lines vary between being locals in one borough, and express in another and operate in different patterns depending on the time of day. It used to be that at a station designated as an "express" stop it was assumed that all trains stop there. In the outer boroughs stations served only by express trains operating as local trains were still designated as "express" stations since there were trains operating there which operate express in Manhattan. This was originally the case with the IND N/O 168 St where the AA terminated at 168 St and the A express continued to 207 St making all stops and in Brooklyn until the Fulton St Line opened to Euclid Ave in 1948. At that time A trains ran express during rush hours and E trains were extended from Hudson Terminal to Bway/ENY running local. At that point the stations on Fulton St had to be designated as local and express and even then an express station was considered an "all stop" since AFAIK, there are no stations on the NYCTS where express trains stop and local trains bypass. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 17:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 18 17:01:55 2009. I really wonder why SpiderPig won't call Terrapin a scumbag for clearly posting a picture he took surreptitiously low behind a girder which is NOT posted anywhere on the net. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 18 17:14:42 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by straphanger9 on Wed Nov 18 17:04:13 2009. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 18 17:15:37 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 18 16:33:45 2009. AFAIK, there is a switch in the T/O cab that allows for the field shunting to be cut in or out as needed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:21:22 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 18 17:15:37 2009. no, AFAIK field shunting has been disabled on all trains that once had it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:45:24 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 18 16:25:59 2009. Actually, #2 is not entirely wrong but just a bit inaccurate.No, SelkirkTMO was 100% wrong with his answer (as is often the case). The answer is, in simple terms, EXACTLY as I stated it ("it goes faster because PATH allows it to go faster. NYCT subway trains could go faster too if they were allowed to..."). Nothing in SelkirkTMO's post was a relevant answer to the question being asked. The NYCTs doesn't have any artificial speed restriction on the entire system but just in certain areas where limited speed is required such as sharp curves and over switches and PATH has these also. See, you just showed how SelkirkTMO was completely wrong. The principal reason why NYCTA trains are usually slower than those on PATH is that there are few places on the NYCTS where trains can attain such high speeds before having to slow down for the next station stop. No, that's not the principle reason. And it's hardly any kind of reason. The real principle reason is that NYCT management have chosen to artificially restrict the speeds as compared to how fast the trains used to run, and also as compared to other subway/rapid transit systems. And how have they artificially restricted the speeds? By disabling field shunting on the cars that once had it, and by adding more and more timers, speed limits, and other such similar devices and rules. I don't believe that the distance across the flats enroute to the Rockaways is as long as the distance between JSQ and NWK so it would be highly unlikely that NYCTA trains would even be able to achieve their maximum speed potential there although they come close. I disagree 150%. On so many levels. 1. Long distances are not necessary to achieve high speeds - only strong and lasting acceleration rates are. And it helps to not be heading up a relatively steep grade. For proff, see PATCO, SEPTA's MFL and BSL, and many other subway systems. 2. It is about 3.7 miles from Howard Beach to Broad Channel. That's miles further than it would take to reach top speed if allowed to. For comparison, JSQ to Harrison is roughly 5 miles. And PATH reaches 60 MPH after only about 2.6 miles, and that includes the first 1.2 miles of the journey, which is flat, and then up and over a bridge. 3. Speeds between Howard Beach to Broad Channel are possibly limited because of posted speed limits or timers (if any exist), but they are definitely limited by lack of field shunting on the older cars, and for when R-160s run in revenue service down there, likely software-level restrictions on acceleration rates. ----- Take Pride,
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 17:53:45 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:45:24 2009. Google what ":)" means ... in the meantime, you'll need this. Only slightly used by Olog ...
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:59:22 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 17:53:45 2009. Your post was 100% incorrect, as I've clearly already said. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:05:40 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:59:22 2009. Heh. Jerry Lewis send you your check yet? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:07:54 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:05:40 2009. And your post was still 100% incorrect, as I've clearly already said. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:12:07 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:07:54 2009. pwn3d! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:13:49 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:12:07 2009. And your post was still very much 100% incorrect, as I've clearly already said. |
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Posted by rr4567 on Wed Nov 18 18:23:15 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:13:49 2009. And your brain is 100% incorrect |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:15:34 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:13:49 2009. Congratulations, most formidable opponent! You have won. You can now rest your sticks of victory! :)
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:26:46 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:15:34 2009. And your post was still very very much 100% incorrect, as I've clearly already said. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 20:11:42 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by lrg5784 on Wed Nov 18 15:01:54 2009. The problem is the trains themselves are still signed with the same circular bullet. It's better if the diamond is used only for distinct services. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Nov 18 21:08:18 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by randyo on Wed Nov 18 16:42:17 2009. And any "safety" streetcar is technically, according to WABCO,of schedule "SME". But the equipment is different. Safety cars typically with an M28 brake valve and a K-1 emergency valve. SME cars with various valves include M13, M18, M20, and an A1 or D1 emergency valve. The difference being that SME was typically used where it was desired to haul one trailer car. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Nov 18 21:17:05 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Nov 18 09:10:48 2009. The R9 does not keep up its brake cylinder pressure in emergency while a crew istroubleshooting or layed up and will begin to roll away when the leak is found and corrected as they charge in release where SMEE charges brake pipe in full service. Not 100% true. On AMUE systems using the UE-5 universal valve, the "high pressure cap" on the emergency portion of the UE5 keeps Main Reservoir air applied to the brake cylinders until the valve is recharged and comes out of emergency. This is an improvement over triple valve systems where the emergency cylinder pressure comes only from the auxiliary and supplmentary reservoirs, with no input from MR, and thus will eventually bleed down due to brake cylinder packing cup leakage. But, in terms of starting up a car or train which is "dry" AMUE comes up with no pressure in the cylinders. The quick action portion is initially in the non-emergency position because there is no air pressure in the quick action chamber to force the piston over against the spring stop of the quick action slide valve and piston assembly. The SMEE system has a charging protection valve which ensures that as MR pressure is coming up from 0, the emergency slide valve is moved to the emergency position, and air immediately flows to the cylinders. On AMUE, like any automatic air (brake pipe) system, release and charging are the same position. So in recharging after an emergency application, the brakes want to release immediately. But with the electric brake plug or key inserted, one can put the valve in Electric Holding to recharge the system but hold the air in the cylinders. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:32:01 2009, in response to Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mike W. on Wed Nov 18 00:49:34 2009. 1) Google is your friend !!!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:36:53 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by The Queen on Wed Nov 18 04:02:38 2009. It wasn't childish. There was nothing wrong with his response. It wasn't even rude. Questions of fact should be researched first IMO. I mean everyone here has access to google. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:43:10 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 17:21:22 2009. Wrong as usual |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:46:55 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:36:53 2009. It was typical whineberggy snobbish style. He could simply answer the question but chooses to be a little shit about it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:46:56 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:36:53 2009. It was typical whineberggy snobbish style. He could simply answer the question but chooses to be a little shit about it. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 21:47:30 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:43:10 2009. Mr Railfan.com who loves cars is wrong?PLEASE DON'T SAY SO!!! 
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 21:48:34 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:36:53 2009. This is a discussion board. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:49:07 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 21:47:30 2009. Since some field shunting is needed in the dynamic brake mode, I don't know how he could be correct. Do you? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:53:05 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by Jeff H. on Wed Nov 18 21:17:05 2009. Thanks for that! We were instructed to ALWAYS apply handbrakes before stepping off a set of arnines, and to NEVER release the handbrakes until we had a charge up from a dry start and confirmed that brakes were applied. Noted the same rule at Branford with the wood chocks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:55:35 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:46:55 2009. Actually, he DID ... the google link was preloaded with the correct form of a question. Doesn't excuse his typical behavior but at least THIS time, he did attempt to answer the question before swinging the bat. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:57:41 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 21:48:34 2009. Yes, I know. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 22:01:58 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:55:35 2009. I always provide the correct info in the link you fucktard. get with the program old man. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 22:02:31 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:36:53 2009. Exactly, thank you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:04:43 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:55:35 2009. Wow, you give him props and he calls you a fucktard and an old man. You must have really pissed him off. Even I like you better than that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:06:55 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 22:01:58 2009. Oh wow ... one of "Jerry's kids" called me a fucktard. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:07:24 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:04:43 2009. Heh. No good deed goes unpunished! :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:08:19 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:06:55 2009. Wrong again. Jerry disowned him. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:09:22 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:07:24 2009. To turn a phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 22:11:16 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 22:01:58 2009. Terrapins blow out, LOL!
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Posted by lrg5784 on Wed Nov 18 22:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 22:11:16 2009. Lol!!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:13:38 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Nov 18 22:11:16 2009. A typical terra-pinhead meltdown |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:14:56 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:08:19 2009. Heh. :)Actually, if I'm on his shitlist, AND on the LOL over on the other board, my job here is done. (grin) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:16:02 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:14:56 2009. Maybe he's bi-polar or bi something or other. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:16:46 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:09:22 2009. Nah ... that trick NEVER works!
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:22:40 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:16:02 2009. That would suggest the ability to change states ... ummm ... no. That would be an improvement. Ever notice how he always bites into a decent thread and humps it until it gets reefed? It's quite deliberate. And so, since this was the first thread in a while that actually had something chewy, I'm going to ignore the rest of this subthread and PRAY that everyone else here gets the hint and just ignores the little putz ... |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Nov 18 22:31:20 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:43:10 2009. Much as I hate to say this, I think Terrapin is right. randyosaid AFAIK, there is a switch in the T/O cab that allows for the field shunting to be cut in or out as needed. and of course that "ENERCON" switch has indeed been disabled. But the field shunts are still active in two other ways: During switching to cushion the starting torque, and during coasting to reduce the generated EMF and allow for a low spotting current to be maintained. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:38:52 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:53:05 2009. EXCELLANT-WE-44 |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Nov 18 22:40:42 2009, in response to Re: Questions from the eager & curious, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Nov 18 12:28:29 2009. I believe Baltimore Metro is OPTO as well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:43:18 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:38:52 2009. When one works with known escapees, one must keep their powder dry and their gun clean. :) |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:46:15 2009, in response to Re: SMEE (Re: Questions from the eager & curious), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 22:43:18 2009. Whos that Train Dude?WE-44 |
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