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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009 The R44 also set the world speed record for a subway car. On January 31, 1972, a consist reached a speed of 87.75 mph(141.2 km/hr) on the Long Island Rail Road's main line between Woodside and Jamaica. With two motors per car disabled, the train still reached 77 mph. The cars were capable of even higher speeds, but the length of the test track was insufficient to allow further acceleration.The question: has this record ever been broken? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:51:59 2009, in response to The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009. By an R-44? No! And from what I've read, I doubt that the test could be called a success. Several of the traction motors reportedly "bird-caged" during the run. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Nov 18 21:59:55 2009, in response to The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009. What kind of world speed record? Did it make the Guinness Book of World Records? |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 22:01:37 2009, in response to The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009. The entire article is from Winki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R44_(New_York_City_Subway_car) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:15:08 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 22:01:37 2009. By the way, that article is not 100% correct. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:35:48 2009, in response to The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009. The R44 westinghouse-P wire (orginal-100-399) was one (1) of the BEST cars I've ever operated. I don't recall this ever being broken by a NYCT subway car.The R38 (orginal-3950-4149)was first. AMUE= AB Standards (Steels) S.I.R.T.-MUE's WE-44 (G4B) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 08:10:35 2009, in response to The R-44 speed record, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Nov 18 21:47:20 2009. Was it true that that train was still accelerating when it hit 87.75?Just think - another quarter-mile per hour and the flux capacitor would have been activated resulting in a temporal displacement.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 08:11:16 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:35:48 2009. If there ever was a subway car that deserved beefier motors, it was the BMT standard. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:17:05 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:35:48 2009. A lone R9 at pueblo,colorado,with special field shunting hit 98MPH.this was reported in[iirc]trains magazine apx 10 years ago.NO,I don`t have the issue. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:23:31 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:15:08 2009. The PA`1`s reached 80mph on the jersey flats.this was told to me by THE engineer who operated the test train. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:48:17 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Nov 18 22:35:48 2009. Hey fatso.me-n-irene will not be staying for the buffet at bera.we`re going to slbc,care to join us? we`ll be going with mr&mrs JJ. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Nov 19 16:37:16 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 08:10:35 2009. If that happened, he would be runing next to a penn station to Ozone Park local.. I think the 44's would beat the MP's. (I Think that was the end of the rockaway line in Sept 1955). |
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Posted by WestCode44 on Thu Nov 19 16:42:11 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:48:17 2009. FATSO? you MUST be refering to BMTguy or Lord Vader. And NO I am staying for the beautiful buffet--copper.WE-44 |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 19 17:01:03 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:51:59 2009. This test was well documented, and it did achieve 87.75 MPH without any reported problems, and then they cut out some motors to simulate a heavy ridership load and the train still reached 77 MPH. The R-44 holds the record and no model of equipment in NYCT has surpassed it since. In every reference to this test, no mention was ever made as far as I have seen, about anything out of the ordinary. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 19 17:04:59 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Nov 18 21:59:55 2009. I don't know about Guinness, but I did a search titled "World Speed records For Subway Cars", and sure enough all you see is R-44!!!! Google it!!I can tell you, I enjoyed working on the R-44s, while many others didn't, and the best reason for me was because they were mainstays, especially during my NYCT tenure, of the A Line!! My A#1 Favorite all time run!! :-) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 19 17:27:11 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 19 17:01:03 2009. The burned out motors I think was more of a function of 650v verses 600, not going 87MPH. The same thing happened to an identical test of PA1's in 1965, which were made to go fast. I think the R32's had similar difficulties on their New York Central press run into GCT in 1964. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 17:42:27 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Nov 19 17:04:59 2009. Originally though, the R-44 assignments were equally divided among the A, D, E, and F lines. As late as 1976 when I was the T/D at Church Av there were still a number of R-44s on the F and after the EE was eliminated and replaced by the N in Queens in 1976, a few R-44s even showed up on the N. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 17:51:41 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 08:11:16 2009. The problem with the steels was not their motors but the fact that unlike most conventional 2 motor cars that have 2 motors on one truck and a trailer truck, the steels had maximum traction trucks with only one motor per truck and no trailer truck. This was done to spread out the weight for,operation on some of the older el structures that the steels would operate on. The problem was that since the axle loading was light the cars didn't have the pulling power of other cars. It is also the reason that only one BX (3 car MTM) unit could be used per train and single BX units were not to be operated. BXs were also banned from the Manny B although some old timers claim that an occasional one slipped through. That is also the reason why the Qs were so slow in late years. The received the maximum traction trucks removed from the IRT composites when they were transferred to the 3 Av El and retained those rucks when they were assigned to Myrtle in 1958. Composite trains were all motors so maximum traction trucks were OK in that case but wit 2 trailers per 6 car train of Qs their performance was less than desirable. |
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Posted by WestCode44 on Thu Nov 19 17:59:31 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 17:42:27 2009. I don't recall ever seeing R44s in the southern section, are you sure they weren't R46's?WE-44 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 18:13:34 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by WestCode44 on Thu Nov 19 17:59:31 2009. I'm absolutely sure because this was before the R-46s were delivered. In fact a D train composed of R-44s derailed in the vicinity of Kings Hwy on the Brighton line in the early 1970s and there was a photo of it in the Daily News. Also when I lived in uptown Manhattan and was a T/D I had occasion to ride an R-44 on the D and as I mentioned before it was before the R-46s were delivered since the R-46s didn't come in till after I moved to Brooklyn in 1974. |
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Posted by WestCode44 on Thu Nov 19 18:25:48 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 18:13:34 2009. Ah yes the airbrake compressor fell off..I remember now.WE-44 |
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Posted by David on Thu Nov 19 19:46:35 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 18:13:34 2009. Unless there was another R-44 derailment at Kings Highway, I believe the date of the incident in question was January 16, 1981. That was the death knell for 75-foot equipment on the Brighton Line until the R-68s started entering service in 1986 (people along the line had beeon complaining for years that vibrations from the cars were causing damage to their retaining walls -- I don't know if it was ever proved).David |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 21:39:54 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:17:05 2009. You wouldn't be able to hear the gear pitch at that rate of speed.:) If I had to guess, it would be close to two octaves above middle C. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 20 06:03:34 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 19 14:17:05 2009. A lone R9 at pueblo,colorado,with special field shunting hit 98MPH.this was reported in[iirc]trains magazine apx 10 years ago.NO,I don`t have the issue.What would the purpose be of speed testing a retired car class ? You're not pulling our leg are you ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Fri Nov 20 10:18:50 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 21:39:54 2009. :D so it would be...
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 20 11:11:32 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Nov 20 06:03:34 2009. I have no idea,no i,m not pulling your leg,this is what I read. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 20 13:21:50 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 18:13:34 2009. I remember the 44 operating on the D...It was weird..I ALWAYS got pissed when one of them showed up,cause I couldn't see out the front window! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Nov 20 14:26:35 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 19 18:13:34 2009. I remember riding an R-44 on the D during Christmastime of 1973. This was during the brief experiment w/ carpeting on the 44s (very brief; I was living in Illinois at that time and had come to NYC for the holidays, by the time I moved back the following June, the carpets had disappeared) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Nov 20 16:07:27 2009, in response to Re: The R-44 speed record, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Nov 20 14:26:35 2009. Dame 12/73. I was onlt 10 mouths old. LOL |
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