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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 03:28:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 02:44:58 2009.

Sorry, I don't feed trolls people who actually admit in their handles that they are trolls.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 03:35:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 03:28:11 2009.

Lame copout. That would be like me saying I don't feed trolls whose handle indicates imaginary railroads . . . (which indicates a failure to face reality)

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 04:27:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 03:35:50 2009.

Sorry, you admit in your handle that you're a troll.

Also: Lol. A right-winger accusing me of being unable to face reality? That's funny!

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 5 06:19:00 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 02:46:00 2009.

It's not ironic but expected that the rectal subchatter assigns a political label to a group of yups playing after the fact NIMBY. I'll bet your ears stay warm with your head up your ass like that, Olog. As someone who's worked with land for over 30 years let me clue you in on a small fact of life: NIMBYs come in all political flavors, but vote NIMBY every time.

your pal,
Fred



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Re: LIC Yuppies get dieseled

Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jul 5 06:21:39 2009, in response to LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Doctor B on Sat Jul 4 09:07:32 2009.

Subject corrected.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by kp5308 on Sun Jul 5 08:39:28 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 04:27:27 2009.

Oh. My. God. I didn't know what his handle alluded to. That's the friggin' greatest!

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:16:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 23:01:28 2009.

Same difference.

Obama and his administration are filling their roles EXACTLY.

ROAR

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:17:49 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 4 23:00:14 2009.

Bush II was nowhere near the right. Maybe he wanted to be, but no he really didn't, and he did not even try to reign in the leftist Rockefeller Republicans. He let them do their same old stuff.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:19:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 00:07:41 2009.

Right Wing Obama came out and declared that we needed to deny due process to anyone he accuses of being a terrorist.

Sounds about as far left as Joseph Stalin to me.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:20:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 03:26:39 2009.

Um... SHIT!

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jul 5 12:00:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 4 11:48:42 2009.

Thanks. Karl M

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 5 12:40:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by d_mind on Sun Jul 5 02:37:42 2009.

10 bucks says this ends in 20 pages of "Nope" and "False".

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by QM18Express on Sun Jul 5 15:32:49 2009, in response to LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Doctor B on Sat Jul 4 09:07:32 2009.

This is messed up however I did not know that it's that hard to turn off a diesel engine! Always thought that there was a requirement to turn off the engine @ the yard!
Let's see how this plays out! This is going to be FUN!!

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:37:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:16:10 2009.

What I'm getting at here is that since you think the abuse of power described in said book is a good thing, you can't really understand what it was about.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:42:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:17:49 2009.

Based on this post, it's pretty clear that you have little to no idea what the terms "left" and "right" actually mean. As such, anything I have to say about the matter will go completely over your head. My tendency to suffer from SIWOTI Syndrome notwithstanding, I'll do my best to ignore your future posts.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 21:14:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by QM18Express on Sun Jul 5 15:32:49 2009.

It is EASY to turn off a locomotive.

The LION has done it several times out here on the BNSF.
They also start at the touch of a button, PROVIDED IT IS WARM.

Diesel Locomotives do not use anti-freeze and so they must be running or drained in cold weather.

ROAR

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 21:19:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:37:31 2009.

No. Abuse of power is a BAD thing.

That is why I am pissed with Obama and the Dimocraps.

First a Stimulus bill and now the House version of the energy bill,
BOTH PASSED while NEITHER one was READ by any member of the congress.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:11:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 21:19:39 2009.

 Believe me, I don't much like the Democrats either.

First they passed a stimulus bill which was way too small, and then a climate change bill which didn't crack down on polluters in any meaningful sense, and now they seem poised to "compromise" on a public health plan which is itself a compromise from single payer.

And Obama is apparently either too cowardly or too corrupt to prosecute Bush & Company, and has apparently decided he's having too much fun playing with all the illegal powers Bush seized for the White House. :(

That's the problem— conservative policies have proven to be utter failures, yet there are no adults in Washington who are ready to admit it and try something that works. Sure, it'll be tricky trying to get out of this mess, but it doesn't take much more than basic common sense to reinstate Glass-Steagall and bring back the 90% top marginal tax rate (policies that were successful in America's past), institute a public health plan or single payer (policies that are successful in every other modern democracy), tax polluters and provide incentives for clean energy (policies that will be necessary to our long-term economic health) and ban torture, prosecute those who ordered it, did it, and covered for it, and reaffirm that anyone accused of wrongdoing is entitled to a fair trial (policies so obvious that anybody who opposes them is almost certainly an idiot or malicious).

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:13:47 2009, in response to LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Doctor B on Sat Jul 4 09:07:32 2009.

They have some valid points. I have noticed trains at atlantic yards area running air conditioning all days with the doors open

Can anyone on this board tell me why it takes and hour to shut off an engine? It is a big waist of fuel and pollution.

"Also, the feds mandate a full inspection of each passenger coach's brake system "if a train is shut down for more than four hours," Arena added. "This, in itself, is a labor-intensive process."


Is this the real reason. The management at the yard found it easier to leave the trains running than doing a break inspection. That makes me beg to ask the question are all these extra break inspections really needed if the mta has been leaving trains on not to do them

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:19:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 21:14:36 2009.

"Diesel Locomotives do not use anti-freeze and so they must be running or drained in cold weather."

It is a rare event in NYC where it is cold enough that an engine could not stay a few hours without anti-freeze mid day. this is just another example out of many hundreds where the mta takes the easy way out and has an utter disregard to the money it entrusted to spend.


If the mta was an unsubsidized private company this type of BS would not happen.

If you look at the level of innovations that took place at the irt and bmt and the utter lack of any innovations since the city and mta took over it is crazy. The rider and the taxpayer is secondary to what is easier for the management. Line workers just take there cues from management.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jul 5 22:24:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:11:27 2009.

First they passed a stimulus bill which was way too small......

Stimulus bill ? How about a stimulus pill! LOL



Bill Newkirk

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 22:35:43 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:13:47 2009.

Can anyone on this board tell me why it takes and hour to shut off an engine? It is a big waist of fuel and pollution.

It does not.

A diesel locomotive can be turned off in a matter of seconds. There are fuel cut-offs on both sides by the fuel tanks, there is an emergency cutoff on the rear bulkhead of the operating compartment, as well as inside of the engine compartment.

Finally, you can just shut it down by pulling the throttle out and then pushing past idle into stop.

All it takes is a second.

no problem at all.

But... if it is cold out side, then you have to drain all of the cooling water and domestic water on board the locomotive, and don't forget to drain the batteries too.

Locomotives and other large diesel engines cannot use anti-freeze.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 22:38:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:19:09 2009.

Ahem...

BNSF, CSX, NS, UP et. al. all leave their locomotives idling.

There must be an ECONOMICALLY SOUND reason for doing so.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:40:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 22:38:12 2009.

I'd say it's economically sound to not convert from water cooling to antifreeze cooling.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:42:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:19:09 2009.

If the mta was an unsubsidized private company this type of BS would not happen

Hmm . . . NY&A, CSX, NS, NYSW, UP, BNSF, KCS, you name it; they all do it. Costs more to shut the locos off than to leave them on. (How much do you know about industry?)

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 22:43:06 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:40:31 2009.

I forget the reason, but big engines cannot use anti-freeze.

But then again, in a terminal they *CAN* switch to shore power to heat the water, fuel, etc. and shut the engine down.

Why they do not do so, only Dutchrailnut can enlighten us.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:43:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 04:27:27 2009.

A right-winger accusing me of being unable to face reality?

I'm not a "right-winger", so that's you not being able to recognize reality, never mind face it. (You must label anyone who disagrees with you a "right-winger", eh?)

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:44:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by kp5308 on Sun Jul 5 08:39:28 2009.

Some people get it. Some don't. Noylet Wailwoad is in the latter category.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:47:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 5 06:19:00 2009.

It's not ironic but expected that the rectal subchatter assigns a political label to a group of yups playing after the fact NIMBY

Why must it be "expected"?

NIMBYs come in all political flavors

Yes, I agree. In fact, that's been my stance from the beginning, and if you weren't suffering from crainiorectal inversion, you would have seen that.



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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:50:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by kp5308 on Sun Jul 5 08:39:28 2009.

 Heh. That's why I try to avoid responding to his obviously provocative posts. Unfortunately, I seem to be especially prone to SIWOTI Syndrome, so my success rate is less than perfect. :(

I should really talk to an internet doctor about that.

Oh, wait, RonInBayside got banned. Any other internet doctors? :D

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:51:42 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 18:42:02 2009.

No, I'd say he knows far more what "left" and "right" in the political arena mean than you do. Bush leaned towards the left. As such, anything you have to say about the matter will be flawed by omitting the facts.

And if you start ignoring posts just because they don't fit your preconceptions (because that's what they are), you'll miss out on some vital information, not to mention a clear view of reality.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:52:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:17:49 2009.

Correct, in light of his record.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:54:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 5 06:19:00 2009.

 Uh oh! Fred G. is joining in! When a flamewar becomes so pervasive that Fred jumps in it's serious! I sense a reef in the near future for this thread. :(

Fred always was the rational one.

Your pal,
Big Cat

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by d_mind on Sun Jul 5 22:54:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:50:15 2009.

Oh, wait, RonInBayside got banned.

That's a shame. :( Perhaps he had misspelled someone elses handle.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:55:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by d_mind on Sun Jul 5 22:54:41 2009.

What-a-what now?

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:56:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:50:15 2009.

I try to avoid responding to his obviously provocative posts

Provocative? You're the one that posted the "provocative" stuff.

I seem to be especially prone to SIWOTI Syndrome

Actually, what you're afflicted with is SIROTI syndrome; you seem to not want to be corrected when you post unfactual stuff, and challenge facts by calling opposing fallacies factual. (Heh, maybe I've caught the SIWOTI fever . . . nah.)

Oh, wait, RonInBayside got banned

He did?

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:57:38 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:54:27 2009.

Nonsense. He's been a long-standing troll and jumps in randomly.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:58:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jul 5 22:13:47 2009.

They have some valid points

No they do not.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 5 22:59:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:56:29 2009.

He hasn't posted in a while. He's either banned or dead and since he just graduated from Reno Citizens Institute that can't be it. And he certainly can't be tired of our company. ;)

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 5 22:59:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 22:35:43 2009.

Why can large diesel engines not use anti-freeze?

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jul 5 23:24:01 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:11:27 2009.

You speak about the 90% marginal rate. What is the incentive to invest in income producing ventures at that point?

It existed but virtually no-one ever paid it. Don't forget that the high marginal rates also came with a lot more deductible items. Things like credit card interest, car loan interest, medical expenses in excess of 3% of AGI, full casualty losses, full deductibility of miscellaneous deductions, etc.

On the income side all passive losses and real estate losses could offset other income classes, social security and unemployment was not taxable, etc...

If you restore the high marginal rates then it will be only fair to restore all deductions and the tax-free status of such things as social security and unemployment.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:03:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 5 22:11:27 2009.

"it doesn't take much more than basic common sense to reinstate Glass-Steagall "

The only problem is that a full reinstatement would mean the end to NYC as the financial power.

"bring back the 90% top marginal tax rate (policies that were successful in America's past)"


But as another poster mentioned you could deduct so much stuff you pay less tax then you do now. The average folk like yourself does not know that and the liberal people who are using that as a reason a 10 or 15% increase in marginal tax would kill the economy. It will!!! Every extra dollar sucked up into the gov web means a dollar that is not spent and a job that no longer exists. basic economics. Our gov spends money on nonsense that helps the party stay in power not in a wise way.

"institute a public health plan or single payer (policies that are successful in every other modern democracy)"

Just take a look at medicare which still pays for full tanks of oxygen each months even for people who needed it only once and a while at a cost of $800. 3 years back when congress acted to end this huge waste of cash and reform the system to be on par with modern needs the oxygen tank lobby phoned thousands of seniors and scared them into calling thier congressman . We are paying though the nose for oxygen companies to pick up virtually full tanks and replace them with new tanks while the local drugstore sells mini tanks for 1 tenth of the cost that are perfect for most people.

Without penalties for people who abuse their bodies such a a system does not work. DOCTORS IN europe are substandard to us doctors. We need to PUT CAPS ON MALPRACTICE LIABILITY and PUNISH LAWYERS WHO bring fake suits that drive up cost. OBOMA does not want to do this.
"tax polluters and provide incentives for clean energy (policies that will be necessary to our long-term economic health)"


Only problem is that many of these "polluters" are industrial companies such as steal mills which have already cut emissions big time. these tough rules you are calling for put them out of business and steal mills in other countries like china who pollute far more win the business. I am all for cutting pollution but the policies you are calling for just don't work. Allow off shore drilling off florida and california but tax it at the same rate the the arabs do and use that money to fund research on batteries and money for apartment houses and coops to install electric meters, install charging stations for electic cars

They need to go after low hanging fruit to pollution savings such as the lirr shutting off thier diesil locos in afternoon, nyct running short trains overnight and no artics after 10 pm. Pollution savings that don't drown the economy


50 years ago the US had no compition

Europe was still recovering
Asian was not industrialized

We were the only game in town. not any more and we need to remember this when we make changes


and ban torture, prosecute those who ordered it, did it, and covered for it, and reaffirm that anyone accused of wrongdoing is entitled to a fair trial (policies so obvious that anybody who opposes them is almost certainly an idiot or malicious). "

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:08:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 4 22:24:52 2009.

Here is a solution to the problem

1) shut the engines off during the day and save the cost of fuel
2) SELL development right over the train yards, build condo's or office buildings and presto the Yard is not there anymore

No reason the train need to run all day

FYI the lirr Atlantic yards have the Air conditioning units on all day . What a waste of money

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:10:00 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Jul 4 09:39:53 2009.

It is not the tracks it is the train running and polluting all day when there is no reason for them to be on.

REAL SIMPLE

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:14:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:17:49 2009.

BUSH II was not right wing. He was GREEN WING as in money

First thing he did when he was put in office was increase farm subsidies. The farm states all voted bus

Second he put in the 10% ethonol manadate to once again pay back the farm states

Third he started the iraq war and awarded no-bid contracts to all his big campaign contributers

Forth He pandered to the religious right only because they got him elected.

BUSH II was the biggest crook we ever had in office. Well maybe secound to his great great grandfather who was the worst president of the 19th century

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 00:22:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:08:56 2009.

2) SELL development right over the train yards, build condo's or office buildings and presto the Yard is not there anymore

Can't sell anything if the interest isn't there to buy it at a satisfactory price.

Someday. Not yet.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 6 00:38:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 4 22:02:07 2009.

I do recall seeing a track pit or two there, so maybe some light work is done there.

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 00:54:11 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 6 00:38:12 2009.

It's possible - I don't know.



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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 07:43:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 5 22:43:44 2009.

Well, he is just so far to the left that everybody else on the planet is on the right.

ROAR

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Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 6 07:54:19 2009, in response to Re: LIC Yuppies get steamed, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 6 00:14:08 2009.

The Ethanol plan worked. It provided jobs and a resurgence in farm economy. American farmers could feed the world AND fuel cars if somebody would PAY them to work. When the income from crops do not cover farm inputs then they cannot work.

Many of those "farm" programs pay money to take land OUT of production, a sop to the environmentalists. When fuel prices went up FARM PRODUCTION ALSO WENT UP because there was money to be made in fuel crops. But by how much *Really* did your food prices go up? Not much,eh? most of the costs at your end of the food chain come from packagers shippers and sellers.

NOW as for bid-free contracts with HALIBURTON. You are full of bovine by-product. THOSE contracts were bid and signed in the Clinton years. When Bush needed to ramp up support services for troops overseas, Haliburton already *had* the contingency contract for such services, and while they were new services, it was an old service agreement that was already in place.

ROAR

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