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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 16:35:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 16:35:05 2009. Shelter Island is vey cool. Even without a train. :0) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 16:40:23 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 16:35:05 2009. Didn't the RR once run to Orient Point? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 13 18:34:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:16:42 2009. Yes I know that. But when the Main line is shut down between Hicksville and Jamaica, they won't have to use diesels to get to the Ronkonkoma Branch. It would add some flexibility when there is a major diversion like when they were replacing the Roslyn Rd crossing in Mineola recently. The diesel equipment could be better used elsewhere. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 18:35:37 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:08:41 2009. Deer Park may have shifted too, as it's one of the last "affodable" yet good and stable working class neighborhoods that far west.Nassau County Bias: There's always that bland central area of Nassau County East Meadow/Levittown/Hicksville/Salisbury where you're not near an LIRR station, and the closest stations have "No You" parking... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:37:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:26:00 2009. Stony Brook students aren't the only people that use the station, I am not talking about them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:40:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:14:52 2009. It wouldn't be needed, but it certainly is a lot more efficient than third rail. When the LIRR began electrifying east of Mineola, they should have been forward looking and looking to catenary for those expansions. In the long run it would have been cheaper and easier. In the interum, they could have ordered "New Haven Branch" like M3's that could operate on both catenary and third rail. They would have saved in the long run on the cost of electrification (all those substations wouldn't have been necessary), and they would have been able to expand much further and easier. They also would have saved money on the disasterous FL9 experiment, as well as the, at best, lemon DM30 purchase. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:42:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:13:44 2009. Riverhead is where the population is and a long of blue-collar folk that want to save money on gas would take the railroad there.Where would these "blue collar folk" be traveling to by train? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 18:44:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:30:30 2009. It should have been built with an island platform for instant transfers.Which complicates the piecemeal electrification approach. Not only do you add the headache of dealing with electrifying the line, you also need to re-align the line and the station for an island platform at each new electric service terminal. BTW, if anything, the LIRR should really contemplate advancing some of the third track work around Mineola to build an island platform to allow for Oyster Bay shuttles in lieu of running to Jamaica off-peak. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:00:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:42:45 2009. These days, it would be to all those Manhattan train-related construction jobs...and the WTC. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:08:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 16:11:38 2009. Correct. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 19:09:10 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:01:46 2009. I always thought "Southeast" was constructed only as a place to act as a transfer point for diesels and electrics, like MSU on the Montclair-Boonton line. There's not much around Southeast, it's a glorified P&R.It's also more convenient for traffic coming off I-84 than driving thru downtown Brewster. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:10:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:37:39 2009. Good, just making sure. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:14:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 14:45:05 2009. Riverhead could be a huge ridership generator, a lot of Manhattan-bound commuters already live there or could be attracted there by the LIRR service, it's an Employment Center, it's a Suffolk Transit hub, and it's home to the Riverhead Aquarium, the Tanger Outlet Center, and the Splish Splash Water Park. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:16:23 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 14:47:33 2009. Exactly, people are upset that illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, while the truth is that even illegal immigrants are now having problems finding jobs. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:17:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 15:55:21 2009. That's not surprising, the closest African-American communities to Mount Sinai are Mastic-Shirley and Riverhead, and they're both not that nice. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:18:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 14:48:04 2009. It seemed like you said that Brewster is the end of the "commuter zone" on the Harlem line. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:19:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:55:43 2009. You're right in that a lot of people from Wassaic also go to White Plains. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:22:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 14:54:09 2009. Huh? It was said earlier on in this thread where the yard would have been built by "Hart Bus" I believe. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:23:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 16:35:05 2009. My mistake, I meant Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:24:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 16:35:58 2009. There should be a bus from Greenport to East Hampton via Shelter Island, but that's another discussion. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:27:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 13 18:34:02 2009. I would also suggest building wye tracks on both ends of the branch so trains won't have to reverse ends at Farmingdale and Babylon, but it seems like there are too many developments in the way, and that would probably be very costly. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:30:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:42:45 2009. I'm surprised that you're asking that, if you look out the window at almost any point on the Ronkonkoma branch west of Ronkonkoma you'll see various construction sites. But they'll probably get off at Central Islip, Deer Park, Hicksville, and Bethpage. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:31:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 18:40:56 2009. That's true, it would have also allowed the LIRR to provide direct Secaucus-Long Island service like Metro-North. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:39:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:24:30 2009. OK. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:45:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 16:40:23 2009. I don't believe so. Greenport was always the end as far as I know, but it did once pull onto the dock past the station. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:45:51 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:16:23 2009. Ilegal immigrants have trouble finding jobs AND are coming under increased scrutiny.The bad part of that is when illegal immigrants work, they are willing to feed information to local police about bad actors, that is, the minority of illegal immigrants who commit robbery, burglary, extortion, arson, vandalism. Then the police get them off the street, and after they do time, ICE deports them. Kansas City has had a lot of success doing that and NYPD knows all about it as well. But if local police are busy acting as immigration officers, that cooperation goes away. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:47:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:16:23 2009. The real issue is said immigrants should not even be here, and that no one arrests them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:48:51 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:14:36 2009. Great reasons to run more diesels. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 19:49:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:31:17 2009. That's true, it would have also allowed the LIRR to provide direct Secaucus-Long Island service like Metro-North.And cats & dogs will mate, and we might have the evil thru-running... Port Jefferson to Long Branch! Dover to Ronkonkoma! Raritan to New Haven! :-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:51:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:40:58 2009. How would Speonk be an "attractive option for commuters in the Hamptons"? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:51:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:45:41 2009. Any further east and the next stop would be some port in Ireland. I guess the train would have to run express...:0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:53:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 19:49:41 2009. The old lady in Blazing Saddles now turns to the camera and says, "Have you ever seen such cruelty?" |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:53:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:47:27 2009. Are you doing something about it yourself (i.e. reporting anybody that you reasonably suspect to be an illegal immigrant to the police)? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:54:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:48:51 2009. And even better reasons to extend the juice there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:55:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:51:05 2009. Frequent, direct, and fast service to Manhattan, and it's cheaper than driving and the Hampton Jitney. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:57:46 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 19:49:41 2009. With the occasional Farmingdale-Jersey Ave oddball run.We are not SEPTA. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:59:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:48:51 2009. Yup. A GREAT reason to run many more diesels to Riverhead (on par with what Speonk gets), but electrification? No. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:59:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:53:48 2009. The NYPD has no jurisdiction to enforce immigration laws. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 13 20:00:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:38:25 2009. Latin people? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:01:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:18:43 2009. That's not how I meant it. it's only the "end of the commuter zone" to the extent that Patchogue or Ronkonkoma are. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:01:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:30:42 2009. Unless they work in the city, they'll most likely drive. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:02:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:59:53 2009. He was talking about you not NYPD. Did you call ICE and turn in a bunch of illegals, give ICE their descriptions, licese plate number of the cars they ride in, addresses, places of work? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:02:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 13 15:27:02 2009. Grand Concourse from 149th to 161st is a very pleasant neighborhoodThat's not the area I would be talking about. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 13 20:03:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 14:52:04 2009. I haven't been on a train since last August. Subway, LIRR, or otherwiseI've been away from trains for longer than that. It's quite a strain on me . . . |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:04:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 15:55:21 2009. I've seen and heard prejudice about blacks living in ghettos from middle class WASPS and Jews living in places like Mt. Sinai.That same one family sample you mentioned in the Port Jefferson electrification subtrhead I see. A great scientific sample of a very large county. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:05:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:47:27 2009. Yup. That is the problem. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:05:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:47:27 2009. Yup. That is the problem. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:06:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 16:40:23 2009. I don't think so either. Maybe Bob Andersen can confirm this. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:11:00 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:17:50 2009. Mastic Shirley is NOT an "African American" community. You apparently know about as little about Suffolk as Ron does. And Coram Hill, Gordon Heights, etc are much closer to "Mt Sinai" is even if Mastic/Shirley was an "African American" commnunity.Shirley is 90% White, and 3% Black. Mastic Beach is 88% White and 5% Black. Mastic is about 50% White and about 30% Hispanic, which doesn't even have a presence in Mastic Beach and Shirley. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:16:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:11:00 2009. Well, the few times that I've been to the Mastic-Shirley area I mostly saw Black people so I'm basing what I said on that. Maybe the "Whites" and "Hispanics" don't leave their houses lol. |
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