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Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008

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If I board at any station where the F train stops, is it true that I can leave the system and then re-enter the IRT/BMT complex at 59/Lexington at no additional charge within two hours? And does it work in reverse as well - that is if I board at any station where the 4/5/6 and N/R/W stop, can I leave and then re-enter at 63/Lexington?

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Railfan_7_40st on Thu Dec 11 23:51:05 2008, in response to Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008.

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Welcome to NYC MTA system first of all.
And about the transfer between 63st/lexington (F) to 59st/Lexington (4,5,6,N,R,W) you have pay another ride.
Its a free tranfer if you doit on LEXINGTON AV/53ST (E,V) to 51st (6)..
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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 12 00:03:08 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Railfan_7_40st on Thu Dec 11 23:51:05 2008.

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And about the transfer between 63st/lexington (F) to 59st/Lexington (4,5,6,N,R,W) you have pay another ride.

????

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Dec 12 00:05:25 2008, in response to Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008.

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Yes. I have done it.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 12 00:09:01 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Railfan_7_40st on Thu Dec 11 23:51:05 2008.

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It's a free transfer if you have Metrocard. It works in a fashion similar to the Court Sq/45 Rd metrocard transfer.

It's also a time-consuming transfer, even compared to the transfer between E/V and 6 at Citicorp. The 63 St transfer is probably the most roundabout one in the system. Track levels at Lexington Av-63rd St are in the bowels of the Earth, and the transfer involves getting up to street level only to go back down below ground again.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by gbs on Fri Dec 12 01:03:21 2008, in response to Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008.

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The amount of mis-information posted here is amazing, considering that people here presume to be experts.

I believe the "Metrocard transfer" available between Lex/63 and Lex/59 works like the one at Court Square: it doesn't matter where you originally boarded or swiped, but the transfer uses up the free transfer that is always posted on your Metrocard when you first pay. If you first use your Metrocard on a bus, and then transfer free to the subway, you no longer have the free transfer to use between the two Lex's.

Of course if you have an unlimited card, the transfer is always "free".

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:36:22 2008, in response to Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008.

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You can board ANYWHERE and still get the free transfer at 63/Lex, 59/Lex,, 23/Ely, Court Square or 45/Court as long as it's within 2 hours of your first swipe.

For example you can board at Greenpoint Ave, take the G to the E and get off at 53/Lex, spend an hour and a half Christmas shopping on 5th Ave, and then walk up to 63/Lex and get your free transfer....you'll have to do a little bit of backtracking to get back to Greenpoint, but at least you saved $2. If you're still under 2 hours from your first swipe, you'll also still have a bus transfer left too.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 12 01:03:21 2008.

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Wrong again. The OOS transfer does NOT eat your bus transfer.

You can do:

Roosevelt Ave to 63/Lex
OOS to 59/Lex
and then take the 4 train anywhere and once you get off the 4, you'll still have a valid bus transfer, assuming it's within 2 hours of when you swiped in at Roosevelt.


You can ALSO do:

any bus to any subway station

and then still have the free transfer into one of the 5 OOS stations.


However, if you do subway, bus and THEN a OOS station, the card will know you're cheating and charge you a new fare.


I also seriously recommend NOT sharing the same metrocard when doing OOS with multiple people (nor do I recommend sharing when doing ANY transfer, as it tends to be faulty with remembering how many free transfers to give).

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 12 06:23:36 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 12 01:03:21 2008.

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The amount of mis-information posted here is amazing

No, I've been saying this for years.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Charles G on Fri Dec 12 14:01:19 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008.

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If I understand correctly, the OOS transfer has nothing to do with an actual transfer.

Realistically, I could take the 1 train from 86th to 66th Street. Then I could walk across the park to 63rd/Lex and I should get free entry into the subway (the card doesn't know that I didn't go down to Times Square and then take the Shuttle to the Lex) and still have a bus transfer available when I exit.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 14:54:32 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Charles G on Fri Dec 12 14:01:19 2008.

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Exactly. The card is basically programmed to give you a transfer rather than deduct a fare if used at 63/Lex, 59/Lex, 45/CHS, 23/Ely or Court Square if it was last used at any other subway station within 2 hours.

In another year or so, 63/Lex & 59/Lex will be the only stations left, as the LIC complex is getting an in-system staircase built.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by andy on Fri Dec 12 15:10:11 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:36:22 2008.

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Tried it today....R from 34th 59/Lex at 12:45, exited, got back on at 59/Lex at 1:30, got free transfer, N to 42nd St, got off, then got on bus at 2:10 - did not get free transfer, another fare was deducted. Not a big deal but just wanted to let everyone know.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Aq Arcticson on Fri Dec 12 16:09:16 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008.

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It eats my bus transfer everytime, that's why I try to avoid using that transfer unless I have an unlimited.

Ex: 125th to Lex/59th [4/5], OOS Lex/63rd [F], 169th St, Q30. I'm always within the 2 hour limit but I never get that bus transfer because apparently it's used on the OOS.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by B1bus on Sat Dec 13 01:52:16 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 14:54:32 2008.

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Also, I believe I read that the G to 7 transfer does NOT have an additional bus transfer.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 01:58:15 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 12 01:03:21 2008.

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You are correct..it has happened to me more than enough times to know.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 02:09:38 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 12 01:03:21 2008.

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If I understand correctly then in theory I can board in Astoria - get off at 59th Street/Lex to do some shopping and re-board at 59th for the return trip home - all for one fare? Provided of course I can do all that within the two hour window...

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 13 02:22:32 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 02:09:38 2008.

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Transit authorities in Kansas City and Reno issue transfers that are good for round trips. You can change buses and go in any direction, or use the same line as a return trip. The only restriction is the transfer is good for two hours only and an express bus costs extra.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 13 07:22:17 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 02:09:38 2008.

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If I understand correctly then in theory I can board in Astoria - get off at 59th Street/Lex to do some shopping and re-board at 59th for the return trip home - all for one fare? Provided of course I can do all that within the two hour window...


Absolutely, I've done that many times. It's only if you try to add a bus into the picture that issues arise.



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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 13 09:21:12 2008, in response to Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Andy on Thu Dec 11 23:30:33 2008.

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Oh my, I've done that many times. There's even time enough for something cold to drink:



your pal,
Fred

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 10:44:49 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 13 02:22:32 2008.

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When I worked on the East Side I decided to take the M34 across town to do some shopping in Macy's. I got on the M16 to return to work and was surprised that it was counted as a transfer. That's how I discovered one of the unintentional benefits of the system. I wonder if that still works though...

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 13 10:52:53 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008.

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Wrong again. The OOS transfer does NOT eat your bus transfer

It did when I tried it a few years ago

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Dec 13 11:39:52 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 13 02:22:32 2008.

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Transfers in Philly are not good for round trips, or getting off in one direction and using the same route for the other direction.
And then the story about the girl who tried to give the trackless operator the transfer he gave her the trip before, for the same direction. He said, "didn't I pick up the trip before"?

I've seen a lot of fare abuse on transit systems, I'm not surprised.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 13 11:57:20 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 10:44:49 2008.

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Well, it was a different line. I would not expect a restriction on "looping" - that is, take Bus 1 to destination, then transfer to Bus 2 which brings you back to your start place by a slightly different route, thus creating a "loop."

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 13 13:13:19 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 10:44:49 2008.

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While M16 and M34 routes overlap across 34 St between 2nd and 8th Avs, the routes go different ways otherwise, so it makes sense to allow a transfer.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 13 13:34:47 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008.

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The OOS transfer does NOT eat your bus transfer.

It does and you can't use a Single ride Metrocard for the OOS transfer either.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by aem7ac on Sat Dec 13 13:35:39 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 13 13:34:47 2008.

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Who uses Single Ride Metrocards anymore?

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 13 14:37:20 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 12 01:41:29 2008.

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As a practical matter, I have heard several reports that it does occasionally "eat" the bus transfer that should theoretically be left on the card.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 13 14:42:41 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by aem7ac on Sat Dec 13 13:35:39 2008.

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Beats me but I see enough of them thrown on the floor after use.

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Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 13 14:52:03 2008, in response to Re: Walking transfer between 63d/Lexington and 59/Lexington, posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 13 10:44:49 2008.

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I wonder if that still works though...

Yes. There are specific pairs of lines that travle very similar routes that are not a free transfer, like 101 to 102, but other than that any transfer from one numbered line to another is free.




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