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Re: Police Officer Misinformed: This PROVES What Has Been Suspected From The Beginning. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:12:39 2008, in response to Police Officer Misinformed: This PROVES What Has Been Suspected From The Beginning., posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 21:07:11 2008. Exacly what I have been saying all along. I am beyond blaming the individual officers now. The City of New York, MTA, MOFTB, and the NYPD all need to be hit with major class action lawsuits - money is the only punishment they will understand!!! As many photographers as are being harassed on the subway an equal number or more are being harassed on the streets of New York. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 21:12:59 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 13 20:59:53 2008. Hiding your camera only makes you MORE likely to get arrested, not less likely. So... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:14:03 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 13 20:59:53 2008. You shouldn't try to hide the camera. I thinkk i know the feeling, maybe you are shy about it, but just act normal in that situation, and just casually take photos. It can be hard, but you just have to do it, and you will see it is no big deal. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 21:14:11 2008, in response to Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 33rd Street on Mon May 12 17:47:16 2008. Hell, I met more misinformed police officers than that just today! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:16:22 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 21:14:11 2008. Oh? Another incident? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 13 21:17:45 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:14:03 2008. I usually take phone pictures so I pretend I'm on my phone and usually take the shot quickly before putting my phone back down, although that obviously failed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 21:20:19 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:16:22 2008. Yep. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:29:36 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 13 21:17:45 2008. guy, don't do that. Get the camera, and DELIBERATELY take a real, and GOOD photo. You have absolutely nothing to fear. Don't be afraid of someone seeing you do something legal. Think about it, who is mor suspicious? A guy with a camera, or a guy who quickly snaps a shot with his camera pretending to be on the phone. Just take the photo, pretend you are the only one on the subway, and it is just you and the train. Nobody cares if you take a photo, if an idiot gives you trouble, you give him trouble, and tell him he is misinformed.I once read that nilet got his memory stick taken away or something, how he didn't deck those cops, i don't know, would i deck them, i don't know, but it wouldn't stop me from taking photos. guy...BE GUY, be SOLID, and good. Be positive. Are you affraid to stick out or something? I can sort of relate, i don't like sticking out in a flashy way by wearing flashy clothes, but guy, take the photos normally. |
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Posted by error46146 on Tue May 13 21:50:10 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 15:31:16 2008. i know i feel nervous when i get photos of anything, don't know if the feeling shows on my face...that's not a good way to judge good from bad looking at someone that's nervous |
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Posted by error46146 on Tue May 13 21:52:43 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 00:43:19 2008. the NYPD has a secret plan to ban photography, that's how i see it...as much as i don't want to say this, there will be a day where cameras will be illegal thanks to NYPD hopefully i am wrong |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:56:18 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 21:20:19 2008. Tell us - or email me and let me post it on the photo rights boards on Flickr - this really needs to be publicized otherwise it will just keep getting worse. |
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Posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 21:58:35 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by error46146 on Tue May 13 21:52:43 2008. as much as i don't want to say this, there will be a day where cameras will be illegal thanks to NYPDI hope so too. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:59:29 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 21:58:35 2008. You hope cameras will be illegal? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 22:06:55 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by error46146 on Tue May 13 21:52:43 2008. Error, read the book by George Orwell 1984, he predicted all of this nonsense, and the sad thing is that in some ways, it is worse than what Stalin was doing. Least he pushed for construction of transit systems, schools, science, and even the arts, while in america, we were dismantling our great systems, and our educational system has been margianalized, like transit, and healthcare. But we have highways and ipods now, big deal. This state of fear is a shame. If you read 1984, you will see some striing similarities with our current situation. I won't let Big Brother win. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue May 13 22:14:08 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 21:58:35 2008. I hope you are not serious about what you just posted. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 22:16:08 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 21:58:35 2008. This is a hopefully poor and tasteless attempt at humor on your part...right? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 22:18:22 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:56:18 2008.  I'm afraid I can't post any details unless I consult with my lawyer first, since I may very well end up suing over this incident. Besides, my cop incident threads just combust into massive flamewars and then get reefed! :D Sorry to tease you with a reference. I'll post details if/when my lawyer says it's OK. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 22:23:21 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Nilet on Tue May 13 22:18:22 2008. Fair enough and glad to hear you might sue - if the city loses enough money it may finally end the harassment!!!As for the flamewars - F***K those who hate photography!!!! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 22:39:19 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 22:23:21 2008. Amen! |
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Posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 22:39:39 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 21:59:29 2008. no way...I hope that law never pass,lol.sorry for the confusing.BJC |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 22:44:48 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 22:39:39 2008. No problem.My apologies, also. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 13 22:45:26 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:29:36 2008. You cannot deck a cop under any circumstance.OTOH he is not permitted to touch you or your property without first arresting you. Tampering with the drives would be destroying evidence. You might want to point that out to him, but he may belt you in the head with his nightstick. Of course then you could sue the city for a Million Dollars. ROARING |
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Posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 22:46:29 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue May 13 22:14:08 2008. Don't worry about it...I wasn't clear in my post(I'm a photography too)of course that will never happen in our lifetime.BJC |
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Posted by 3440 on Tue May 13 22:47:02 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 22:44:48 2008. Cool. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 22:48:52 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 22:23:21 2008. Praise be! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 22:51:14 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 22:48:52 2008. Check this outPhotographers everywhere are starting to speak out - it isn't just about transit photography any more. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 22:57:55 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 22:51:14 2008. Excellent.Thanks for sharing this. Contact the blogger if so inclined with moral support. |
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URL to The War On Photographers blog site. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 13 23:39:20 2008, in response to Police Officer Misinformed, posted by 33rd Street on Mon May 12 17:47:16 2008. http://nycphotorights.com/wordpress/Here is an excellent blog site. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 14 00:38:39 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:29:36 2008. "BE GUY" to a cop THESE DAYS will get you 50 shots!Sorry son..I'd rather not deal with them PERIOD...even though my Brother in law's not like that...I don't trust his ass either! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 14 00:47:31 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 00:43:19 2008. Officially..They are saying its PERFECTLY and LEGALLY PERMITTED to take picture...UNOFFICIALLY..they are saying HARASS.. BADGER...ALL PHOTOGS..Perhaps it will curb the pictures.. Hide the dirt that they MIGHT CATCH US DOING. Hah..who to say someone won't be caught THIS time dropping light bulbs full of deadly microbes on to the subway tracks...? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 14 00:53:58 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 14 00:47:31 2008. Officially..They are saying its PERFECTLY and LEGALLY PERMITTED to take picture...UNOFFICIALLY..they are saying HARASS.. BADGER...ALL PHOTOGS..Perhaps it will curb the pictures.. THAT is the problem in a nutshell which is why a major class action suit is needed to bring the city to its knees on this issue!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:58:26 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 14 00:47:31 2008. UNOFFICIALLY..they are saying HARASS.. BADGER...ALL PHOTOGS..I disagree. I have had plenty of policemen not harass me over photography. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Wed May 14 01:10:01 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 13 07:28:50 2008. Quote"I stand corrected i have to add something else to clarifyThe where and when applys here also."QuoteFalse.you have a lot of not so bright t/o's who will call in and say someone is taking pictures at van siclen on the 3 line and he looks suspcious...if they are so worrried about terrorism underground, then why is nycsubway.org still around. The pictures there are extensive and are posted by EMPLOYEES themselves! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 06:40:59 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by rtype3995 on Wed May 14 01:10:01 2008. Railman is not incorrect. He later amended his statement. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 14 07:10:44 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 19:42:25 2008. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 14 07:13:52 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 13 17:28:19 2008. You can just use your eyes, but I would just imagine that it would be way easier to just take photos, as if you forget the right spots to put the bomb, you can just look at the photos. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 14 07:15:33 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 21:29:36 2008. I hear you, thanks for the advice, but I mean c'mon lol, deck a cop? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 07:18:21 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 14 07:13:52 2008. No. How would it be way easier if it involves doing something that could catch the attention of the police or the public or MTA employees and blow your whole plot? And I don't see why you need photos to decide where to put your bomb. You just go to the station, check it out, and make your decision! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 14 07:47:35 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 00:58:26 2008. Its not that all cops will hassle you - I took some shots while cops were around and not a word was said (perhaps they were too busy staring at the model) - but the problem is so pervasive above the street as well as below the street. The NYPD is fully aware of the situation and the complaints yet they outright refuse to do anything to rein in the rogue cops. In spite of being put on notice by the NYCLU - NYPD has stated outright that they refuse to issue memos or training guidelines to officers regarding photographer's rights. That is what the pending lawsuit is trying to force them to do. Therefore it can be said that unofficially the NYPD is either tolerating or condoning the actions of those overly zealous cops. It is more an act of omission rather than of commission on the part of the brass.The Mayor's Office of City of NY is also on notice - in the MOFTB public hearing on the proposed photo restrictions groups like PictureNY as well as the NYCLU and others repeatedly mentioned police harassment as a pervasive problem. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed May 14 09:25:22 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 14 00:47:31 2008. I see you are referring to the Army's 1965 experiment... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed May 14 09:39:12 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 14 07:47:35 2008. (perhaps they were too busy staring at the model)You're a very strategic thinker! (I mean that genuinely, and I laugh too, of course, at what works. Then again, pretty women have been deployed strategically for a very long time now). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 09:49:14 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 14 07:47:35 2008. ok |
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The ACLU/NYCLU is on the case... |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 14 18:54:14 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by BMTLines on Tue May 13 00:43:19 2008. They haven't dropped the ball, and this will be resolved. I am confident of that.The wheels of justice move slower than the wheels on the rails, but they DO move. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 14 20:02:01 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 07:18:21 2008. You seem to know these things very well.I will be saving this message so that when I catch you taking pictures on any of my properties I will show it to the MTA police. Thanks! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:20:12 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 14 20:02:01 2008. lol, and they'll laugh at you. Reread the post. Slowly. A few times. Maybe you'll understand it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:22:58 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 14 20:02:01 2008. and btw, since you work for NYCT, you should know this, but it seems you don't....the MTA police don't patrol "your properties". They patrol LIRR, MNCR, and SIR. The NYPD would cover "your properties". Good thing I cleared that up before you would have gone and called the wrong police agency in a real emergency... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 14 20:26:09 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:22:58 2008. Wrong again. The MTA police have a terrorism unit and all supervisors have been given this number in a pamphlet with safety tips and instructions.You would know this since you are a supervisor with NYCT also like I am. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:29:35 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 14 20:26:09 2008. Yeah, you would call the special terrorism unit to come check out a person who you know is not a terrorist. You're really bright. And even so, I bet they'd get there oh so much quicker than the NYPD would, in order to not let me escape. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 14 20:36:44 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:29:35 2008. Hey Terrapin maybe you should look at what he said..I catch you taking pictures on any of my properties I will show it to the MTA police. Remember a bus depot isnt for just anybody to just walk into if they arent MTA employees.. Just pulling yer coat there.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 14 20:38:58 2008, in response to Re: Police Officer Misinformed, posted by Railman718 on Wed May 14 20:36:44 2008. Huh? He said of. OF. Get it? |
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