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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 21 09:48:33 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 04:39:45 2005. Monorails are impractical toys. How long did that accident TOTALLY konck out the Vegas monorail?If monorails were as prevalent as the two-track RR, then resources would exist to get them repaired faster. Unless and until they are all over the place and there's a standardized form of them, repairing monorails will be like putting new cylinder-head gaskets on a Ferrari from the 60s . . . |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:01:45 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 02:48:09 2005. Monorails are impractical toys. One little accident brought down the whole Vegas monorail system for MONTHE. If you like monorails, go to wally world. Theme parks and other novelty applications are the only place they belong. I and other members of the Srracuse railfan community lobbyied a local mall developer not to build a monorail as part of a mega center project he is building in Syracuse. I pray to god that stupid monorail isn't built. it would thke tens of millions of dollars away from an existing rail system while costing the developer hundreds of millions of dollars. It is a TRAGEDY when ANY monorail is built outside a kiddie park. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:11:11 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jan 13 23:58:30 2005. I'd like to see a monorail on the I-80 route towards Penssylvania instead of the $ 250 Mil + for a Lackawanna rebuildBut the Lackawanna Cutoff rebuild could connect with the rest of the rail system allowing for expanded transit possibilities. This boondoogle would be the worst tragedy in US transit history. National City Lines would LOVE monorails. Laugh at monorails. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:13:05 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by monorail on Wed Jan 19 03:57:18 2005. Still UGLY and IMPRACTICAL. Take the CARNIVAL RIDES to OT Chat. |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:14:09 2005, in response to Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 17 15:18:56 2005. I agree with your post about TOY monorails. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:15:32 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by willD on Tue Jan 18 09:13:58 2005. Monorails are ANTI TRANSIT. Whenever one gets built, it is a tragedy. |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:18:57 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Jan 18 15:33:00 2005. view flatRe: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out Posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Jan 18 15:33:00 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by willD on Tue Jan 18 09:13:58 2005. A monorail in NYC would face two seemingly unsurmountable problems: elevated structure and incompatibility. If NIMBY opposition to elevateds could be overcome, then why not build an El compatible with the rest of the system? And if incompatibility issues could be ignored, why not build light rail? Light rail would be more appropriate than a monorail for replacing bus routes. Building a monorail also precludes the oppurtunity to extend the SAS to hook up with an existing line in another borough (such as the LIRR Atlantic Line, or the 4th Ave, or the SIR, or the Concourse, etc, etc...) IAWTP. This is why those of us who support transit MUST BE ON GUARD to protect the citizens against ANY consideration of monorails. Monorails deserve RIDICULE. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 21 17:19:42 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:01:45 2005. John, you think that way because you've never seen a real monorail. The Tokyo monorail has served Tokyo CBT - Haneda Airport for more than 40 years without a major problem. It's probably easier to maintain than the Roosevelt Island Tram.There are three other commuter monorails in the greater Tokyo area and they all work well, especially the ones that run in hilly areas where conventional rail would be difficult if not impossible. I'll take a monorail anytime if I can avoid riding the M15 and M34. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Jan 21 17:25:12 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jan 20 00:49:31 2005. I thought it was the Kennedy Airtrain that killed a TO. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Jan 21 17:33:52 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 21 09:48:33 2005. good point. |
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NCL and Monorails in LA (Was:Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?) |
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Posted by willD on Fri Jan 21 18:35:55 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 14:11:11 2005. National City Lines was by no means a friend of the monorail. Remember, NCL was out to kill the trolley, replace them with buses made from conspiring companies, and ensure that people bought cars from the companies which had a stake in NCL. By no means was NCL out to make new fixed guideway rapid transit lines, undoubtedly SOME people would use them, and the last thing NCL wanted was to have some line of theirs either turn a profit or prove to be popular with the customers.Indeed NCL, along with Standard Oil, succeded in getting two very serious proposals for monorail systems pigeonholed in the 1960s. Alweg, the maker of the 1962 Worlds Fair monorail in Seattle, proposed monorail systems in both Los Angeles and Seattle, as well as potential plans for systems in Dallas, Atlanta, and Phoenix. Sadly both systems were shot down, but the Los Angeles system made it closest to becoming a reality, as is chronicled in an article on Monorails.org. In what would likely have been one of the first Turn-Key transit systems, Alweg would have designed, built and then turned over a fully operational 43 mile long monorail rapid transit system for the city, with 105 million dollar construction cost to be repaid out of the profits made in running the system. This was shortly after NCL had liquidated both the LARy and the P&E lines, so it's likely that people in the Los Angeles basin weren't completely car dependent yet, and a heavy fixed transit solution would have found it's market and perhaps made a profit. Unfortunately Standard Oil and the operators of the Los Angeles bus system involved themselves in the process and the entire plan went down the drains with so many schemes which big oil and the auto lobby find competitive. You may ridicule the monorail as your experience with them dictates all you want, but surely clean, quiet, electric powered trains gliding 1000 passengers apiece into the city at 70mph must hold more in the way of attraction than 20 buses doing the same in rush hour traffic at 35mph tops. Just imagine how the Los Angeles basin would be different today if in 1965 Standard Oil and the remains of NCL had minded their own business and kept out of Alwegs plans. Undoubtedly by now a few more lines would have been added, and Los Angeles would potentially have a world class transit network comprised of monorails. As Ray Bradbury said in 2001: "...let us pour 10,000 tons of cement into our never-should-have-been-started, never-to-be-finished subway, for final rites. Its concept was always insane, its possible fares preposterous. Even if it were finished and opened, no one could afford to use it. So kill the subway and telephone Alweg Monorail to accept their offer, made 30 years ago, to erect 12 crosstown monorails--free, gratis--if we let them run the traffic. I was there the afternoon our supervisors rejected that splendid offer, and I was thrown out of the meeting for making impolite noises. Remember, subways are for cold climes, snow and sleet in dead-winter London, Moscow or Toronto. Monorails are for high, free, open-air spirits, for our always-fair weather. Subways are Forest Lawn extensions. Let's bury our dead MTA and get on with life" |
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Re: NCL and Monorails in LA (Was:Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 21 22:34:02 2005, in response to NCL and Monorails in LA (Was:Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?), posted by willD on Fri Jan 21 18:35:55 2005. ......?.." proposed monorail systems in both Los Angeles "...??thats like saying AIR AMERICA is coming to los angeles !! ..........>>>lol! where didja gett this scoop ? .......! |
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Re: NCL and Monorails in LA (Was:Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?) |
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Posted by willD on Sat Jan 22 00:55:13 2005, in response to Re: NCL and Monorails in LA (Was:Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 21 22:34:02 2005. This was proposed and rejected 42 years ago, you didn't miss any major transit developments recently. I thought I gave the address in the post, but here it is: http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/LA1963.html |
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