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Monorail On Second Ave ? |
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Posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005 Why not a monorail on Second Avenue or Third Avenue ? There are some new technologies that address the traditional limitations of monorails such as switching. It might be cheaper than a subway and a lot more fun. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu Jan 13 22:30:18 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. I thought it's hard to get Monorails underground. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 13 22:54:23 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. Is there a chance the track could bend? |
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Re: Monorail On Second Ave ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 13 22:55:56 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu Jan 13 22:30:18 2005. I hear those things are really loud. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 13 22:57:17 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 13 22:54:23 2005. Not on your life my hindu friend |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Series on Thu Jan 13 23:51:21 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 13 22:55:56 2005. It glides as softly as a cloud. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jan 13 23:58:30 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. As a child, I grew up with monorail transportation traveling all over the country on vacation trips with my mother. The monorails I rode upon were primarily built as tourist attractions rather than mass transit (like the system recently sold from 'Dutch Wonderland' in Pennsylvania.) There were the 'Worlds Fairs' of the sixties...I don't remember if 'Freedom Land' had one...slow speed local transport.Easy to build with I-beam construction straddling medians of interstate highways...light rail at medium speed unobstructed by anything. Switches are no problem as most are never designed for high speed approach. The 'trick' was that the monorail was cost-effective and easy to construct. The 'treat' was that monorail compeated with existing transportation systems and would become a victim of more modern 'transportation holocausts.' Why did Montreal build a subway using rubber-tired cars when they could have spent more money laying tracks? (The HVAC systems in-car had major Freon leaks...so much that they were shut down and perforated stainless steel sheets replaced some windows.) Montreal, If I remember correctly, had monorail at Expo 67. Poking a steel I-beam up in the air is far cheaper than laying tracks. Just look at Bombardiers 'JFK plane to the train.' What's in those concrete tubes??? I'd like to see a monorail on the I-80 route towards Penssylvania instead of the $ 250 Mil + for a Lackawanna rebuild. Gimme a Redbird anyday. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Fri Jan 14 00:07:25 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Thu Jan 13 23:51:21 2005. Wanna check out NYC monorails??? Bronx Zoo routes East 180th yard, home of the FAMOUS #5 |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jan 14 03:12:10 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jan 13 23:58:30 2005. Montreal still has one of the Expo 67 monorails running. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Jan 14 09:06:05 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Fri Jan 14 00:07:25 2005. Wanna check out NYC monorails??? Bronx Zoo routes East 180th yard, home of the FAMOUS #5I don't get it, but the Dyre Line is SMOOTH. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 14 16:50:57 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. 34th St. and 42 St. are good candidates for monorail. Crosstown buses are often slower than walking. Second and Third Aves are too residential(NIMBY) for anything elevated. |
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Posted by R33 9139 on Fri Jan 14 16:52:58 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Thu Jan 13 23:51:21 2005. Is there a chance the track could bend? |
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Posted by thetzar on Fri Jan 14 16:59:20 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by R33 9139 on Fri Jan 14 16:52:58 2005. I present this thread as evidence as to why there will never be serious monorail transit in this city. If the RAILFANS can't take it seriously, how do you think the general public will react? |
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Posted by R33 9139 on Fri Jan 14 17:04:43 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 13 22:57:17 2005. What about us brain-dead slobs? |
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Posted by Metropod on Fri Jan 14 17:07:08 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. i actualy have a desing for one on my computer. i call it "METEOR METRO" |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 14 17:21:42 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by thetzar on Fri Jan 14 16:59:20 2005. I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook! Sorry, but you're right. The Simpsons have killed the monorail. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 14 17:22:18 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by R33 9139 on Fri Jan 14 17:04:43 2005. You'll be getting cushy jobs. |
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Posted by L Train on Fri Jan 14 19:14:35 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. If the people of the Upper East Side didn't want an El what makes you think they'd want a monorail? |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 15 00:31:30 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Jan 14 09:06:05 2005. The only fully operational semi-automated monorail in continous use in NYC of record is the the one that travels about the perimeter of the Bronx Zoo. It 'homes' directly behind the East 180th inspection barn. The public assumes mass transit means getting you to your destination FAST not understanding headway or passenger discharge/access. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 15 01:09:25 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by monorail on Fri Jan 14 03:12:10 2005. AND gee whizz why? BECAUSE it works with its exising passenger loadand maintainance is at a minimum. No crappy trackage, no wheel cutting in the yard, no busted shock absorbers or anything. Just an elevated I-beam with a enclosed 'third rail.' It's really simple tech not too much beyond my post-war Lionel setup. |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Series on Sat Jan 15 13:11:27 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 14 17:21:42 2005. And by gum, it put them on the map!
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 15 13:14:24 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 15 00:31:30 2005. Newark Airport has a 'rail within earshot of NYC, though. |
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Posted by Metropod on Sat Jan 15 15:21:19 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 14 17:22:18 2005. were you sent here by the devil? |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 15 15:45:29 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 15 01:09:25 2005. your postwar lionel setup carries actual people????????????sounds like you are still living in the land of 'mak-believe'. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 15 16:36:32 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Metropod on Sat Jan 15 15:21:19 2005. No good sir, I'm on....ah, screw it ... |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jan 16 00:21:35 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by thetzar on Fri Jan 14 16:59:20 2005. Can ask the 50,000 riders in Las Vegasthe monorail out there is a hit! |
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Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 17 15:18:56 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. Bottom line is that it will be more expensive to de-standardize the subway system and add facilities for monorails. |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 17 17:19:26 2005, in response to Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 17 15:18:56 2005. The ring came off my pudding can. |
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Posted by Metropod on Mon Jan 17 18:47:16 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 17 17:19:26 2005. use my pen knife my good man (for the heck of it) |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by R62 2004 No.7 on Mon Jan 17 18:56:03 2005, in response to Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 17 15:18:56 2005. MONO! |
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Posted by Metropod on Mon Jan 17 23:33:28 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by R62 2004 No.7 on Mon Jan 17 18:56:03 2005. D'oh |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Mon Jan 17 23:53:02 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 15 13:14:24 2005. True, but it is part of PATH and not NYCTA. Also, the system was shut down totally because of structural defects in the concrete supporting columns. The closest NYCTA came to that was reinforcing the 'pre war' pebble concrete of the #7 line...same stuff that many bridges and overpasses in New Jersey had to replace. What you can do with monorails is sink steel i-beams with concrete support columns without regard to surface topography at far less expense. The Erie Lackawanna cut is an example of pre-tech that was labor intensive.Someone mentioned the inablility of integrating monorail into transit but I have to point out that 'Bombardier train to the plane' as well as Jersey City light rail don't integrate either. Sadly, monorails remain the subject of airports and amusement parks. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 02:48:09 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Mon Jan 17 23:53:02 2005. Sadly, monorails remain the subject of airports and amusement parks.perhaps in this country. Monorails flourish elsewhere, especially Japan |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by willD on Tue Jan 18 09:13:58 2005, in response to Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 17 15:18:56 2005. Despite the interminable anti-transit jokes which any monorail related thread engenders, who said anything about converting the entire subway system to use a monorail? I believe the issue was that if the 2nd Ave Subway was going to remain unrealized well into this century then it might be better for the people of 2nd ave and the UES if the M15 was supplanted by a monorail running down 2nd ave, moving the transit there off the street. Admittedly it'd be hard to get past the NIMBYs and such, just as the 2nd Ave subway is proving to be, but there is the chance that it could be done before the 2nd Ave subway would be done. The 'problems' of compatibility inheirent in monorails would not be all that big a deal, since the SAS is only supposed to have 2 lines run on it anyway, the T being a monorail won't kill the system. Such a monorail could serve as a backbone for monorails running crosstown on 23rd, 34th, 42nd, 57th and 125th or something, thereby eliminating the need for most of those bus lines which would parallel them. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Tue Jan 18 13:38:02 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 15 13:14:24 2005. Newark Airport has a 'rail within earshot of NYC, though.Newark Airport monorail, photographed Jan 17, 2005  |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 18 14:38:08 2005, in response to Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by TonyD on Thu Jan 13 22:29:32 2005. The NIMBY's would never stand for it. |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Jan 18 15:33:00 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by willD on Tue Jan 18 09:13:58 2005. A monorail in NYC would face two seemingly unsurmountable problems: elevated structure and incompatibility. If NIMBY opposition to elevateds could be overcome, then why not build an El compatible with the rest of the system? And if incompatibility issues could be ignored, why not build light rail? Light rail would be more appropriate than a monorail for replacing bus routes. Building a monorail also precludes the oppurtunity to extend the SAS to hook up with an existing line in another borough (such as the LIRR Atlantic Line, or the 4th Ave, or the SIR, or the Concourse, etc, etc...) |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Tue Jan 18 16:07:01 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Jan 18 15:33:00 2005. Well as long as either a light rail or monorail is not compatible with the subway, it will be seen as a waste although on the light rail issue I believe the results/criticism won't be as bad. I do agree however that there is no need for a monorail in the city BUT it wouldn't be so bad in Staten Island for example; anyway the residents will shoot it down so that's moot. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jan 19 01:25:50 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Jan 18 15:33:00 2005. For one thing... Monorails are quieter than buses. Since we now know that SAS will be even more delayed than we expected....
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Jan 19 02:30:06 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jan 19 01:25:50 2005. That is the upside-down monorail...proved over one hundred years ago! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Jan 19 03:57:18 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by L Train on Fri Jan 14 19:14:35 2005. much quieter |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Jan 19 03:59:56 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jan 19 01:25:50 2005. It would be highly impossible to have a 12-9 here! |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Jan 19 22:56:01 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by chuchubob on Tue Jan 18 13:38:02 2005. It's not as futurisic as the monorail of 'Dutch Wonderland.' You could have bought it for a few grand when the place went under auction. The pic does justice to my postings...a single i-beam supported by concrete bedded posts. The public thinks monorails are high-speed transport and dissapointed about the lack of speed. The reality is that they travel onobstructed with a constant head-on. Thanks. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 19 22:58:49 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Jan 19 22:56:01 2005. The Dutch Wonderland monorail is a rusting tourist trap. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 19 23:01:36 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 19 22:58:49 2005. But it's a fun ride. But Dutch Wonderland is a small park. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Jan 19 23:20:09 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by monorail on Tue Jan 18 02:48:09 2005. My point exactly.....monorails compete with existing transportation systems. |
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Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out |
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Posted by Metropod on Thu Jan 20 00:22:22 2005, in response to Re: Simpsons Monorail Joke played out, posted by monorail on Wed Jan 19 03:59:56 2005. yea, no you go splat on the sidewalk |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jan 20 00:49:31 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 19 22:58:49 2005. it's all gone now. We once stayed at SafariPark off route 222. The monorail was sold intact in good condition according to the article in Express Times and its fans got one last ride before it was shut down. The monorail was built by a company specialising in amusement park rides and not by a rail-builder. It had many years of reliable service with minimum costs versus a certain FOREIGN MANUFACTURE system which cost nearly a billion dollars that serves very few and took the life of a TO. Incidently, the weight simulation plates used for final acceptance of the R142s were welded corrugated interlocking plates that secured to the floor and each pack weighed approximatly 500 pounds each. Concrete blocks for sim runs??????????? |
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Re: Monorail On Second Ave ? |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jan 21 04:13:21 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 18 14:38:08 2005. Then they should sit down! |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 21 04:39:45 2005, in response to Re: Monorail On Second Ave ?, posted by monorail on Fri Jan 21 04:13:21 2005. Monorails are impractical toys. How long did that accident TOTALLY konck out the Vegas monorail? |
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