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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Apr 28 17:36:49 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Apr 28 16:06:05 2006. I agree with the "it depends" response, but I question your clock. Running time on the 1 train from Van Cortlandt (which is north of Washington Heights) to Times Square (which is south of the Upper West Side) is about 35 minutes. Where's the other 25 minutes coming from?Also, unless you have a reserved parking space or you're willing to pay a lot in a garage, it can take a very long time to find parking in many parts of the city (including, speaking from extensive experience here, the Upper West Side -- I once gave up after several hours and parked in Astoria). That's not an issue with transit. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Apr 28 18:29:08 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Apr 27 18:23:10 2006. How is it false? It depends on where you're going, what time of day, and other random factors.Example: the J train physically moves a lot faster than the traffic below, even in the middle of the night when there IS no traffic. However, you would probably beat the J by driving if you were going to/from Manhattan or between Jamaica and Broadway, because of the slow sections. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 28 19:45:43 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by BRONX THRU EXPRESS on Thu Apr 27 18:06:54 2006. I get you guys' points, I misinterpreted the accidents as being at a faster speed but I forgot that both were because of human error. Isn't that why the things are there in the first place?This isn't a railfan world where every express run can be this great 60+ mph express run. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 28 20:52:57 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 28 16:55:38 2006. I was on a Slant (#4150) in (Diamond) "Q" service which approached the timer at 45MPH. The T/O couldn't clear it, he had to brake, which ruined one of the best Slant dashes I've ever been on. He made up for it out on the Brighton flats however.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 28 20:55:33 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 28 11:54:28 2006. Northbound, it's all-greens and the Slants can do what they can get away with. Southbound, there's that damned timer! I wish it were not there....wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 28 22:04:08 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 28 19:45:43 2006. The R-10s came mighty close to doing just that. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Apr 28 22:25:17 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Apr 28 18:29:08 2006. I'm saying that Olog's original statement was false because it does not apply to every situation. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:29:24 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Apr 27 22:02:58 2006. I think someone here said they got to 72 once. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:30:02 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Thu Apr 27 22:14:06 2006. It goes faster than 60. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:32:36 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Apr 27 22:01:09 2006. *TRUTH*As to the drawback, there's always the Ridge Spur. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Apr 28 22:33:58 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:29:24 2006. 69 here... |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Apr 28 22:44:42 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:32:36 2006. The Ridge Spur sucks @$$. 20 minute headways...Although with two empty cars it is pretty darn fast... |
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Re: CBTC to the System |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:58:14 2006, in response to CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Thu Apr 27 19:31:50 2006. After reading this entire thread, I'm surprised nobody else pointed this out.You've been saying through this whole thread that Philly trains are run by computers. Last time I checked (9 or 10 hours ago), you were wrong. As we all know, Philly trains regularly go through the 60s, sometimes even into the 70s. But the trains aren't run by computers. They are run by *gasp* humans. Even more frightening... the Broad Street line uses ... wait for it ... block signaling. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:45:16 2006, in response to CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Thu Apr 27 19:31:50 2006. May as well, since it's no cheaper to run a transit system with komputerz . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:46:53 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Apr 28 16:26:24 2006. For my most common commutes, driving is superior. Ten minutes vs. 45 minutes from Washington Heights to RiverdaleWhat road artery? And at what time of day? I wouldn't trust that HHP for too long . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:47:31 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Apr 28 17:05:21 2006. 15 minutes' time driving from Downtown Brooklyn to Bay RidgeIn yer dreams, kid. Only at night, if you're lucky. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:48:35 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Apr 28 17:17:55 2006. If you can get from Downtown Brooklyn to Bay Ridge in 15 minutes on 3rd Avenue, you must be breaking all the traffic lights and weaving in and out of traffic—not to mention speeding. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:50:01 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Apr 28 22:25:17 2006. Guess you haven't driven around NYC lately. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 29 03:53:17 2006, in response to Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Bernie Goetz on Thu Apr 27 14:30:38 2006. the lacmta gold line is the slowest hereneedless stops before entering stations etc............. not so much the express line a bit faster skips stations ''nicer'' a weee bit better |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 29 03:57:23 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by tydev417 on Thu Apr 27 19:35:15 2006. very impressive fast not much time spent in stationsand got the hell out of there quick and moved out right now like it !! |
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Re: CBTC to the System |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Apr 29 06:33:30 2006, in response to CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Thu Apr 27 19:31:50 2006. Habla ingles?No? Silencio, por favor. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 29 07:50:50 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:50:01 2006. Umm, it's true, there's isn't traffic every block you turn. Usually we can get to Queens via the Belt Parkway from Staten Island over the near the Bayonne Bridge in only 20 minutes on a good day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 29 13:11:26 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Apr 27 22:01:09 2006. I'm not familiar with Philadelphia's subways, so keep this in mind. That station differs little from a four-track local stop in New York. Those express speeds are very reminiscent of the good old days in New York. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sat Apr 29 13:13:33 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by tydev417 on Thu Apr 27 19:35:15 2006. Nice vids. |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 13:35:11 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Apr 28 00:05:17 2006. Please point out to me where I called you a jerk. Because I can't seem to find it in this thread. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 13:39:07 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Thu Apr 27 20:59:58 2006. And the ONE AND ONLY POINT that I am TRYING TO MAKE is that New York City subway trains can go FAST again if and when they are operated by computers, be it CBTC, ATO, or whateverWhy is it that the Metrorail only does 35 mph underground, then? |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 14:28:37 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 13:39:07 2006. Wow, you must be suffering from a lack-of-knowledge disorder.Or maybe you just got the numbers 3 and 7 mixed up. Oddly enough, those are the numbers I mix up the most as well. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 14:33:21 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 14:28:37 2006. Nope, just telling the truth. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 15:06:31 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 14:33:21 2006. Nope, just telling the truth.You need to come to Washington DC to learn that what you believe to be true is in reality false. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 15:37:17 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 15:06:31 2006. This truth is based on my observations while in DC. Speedometer read 35 mph. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 15:37:55 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 29 07:50:50 2006. You're speeding as well. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Apr 29 16:31:08 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 27 19:43:18 2006. Very True! There are many levels of CBTC like ATC/ATO/ATS and so much more. It all depends upon what you want a trainset to do, the degree of implimentation, how you can modify the system for CBTC, how much are you willing to pay for it AND safety standards. Biggest obstacle in NYCT subways is public acceptance of an 'operatorless trainset.' Taking any 100 year old design and moving it up a century in technology is a tough call and a huge expense.The next NYCT subway CBTC project is the #7. This line like Canarsie L is independent of the system and I believe there are 90 Kawaski R142As available. All Bombardier and Kawasaki R142 contract cars have 'open slots' for CBTC...just don't have the second TOD like R143s. I EXPECT full conversion not to happen in my working lifetime. IF and WHEN the SAS is built, it too will be an independent system implementing full CBTC. I just got the word that a lot of my mechanical/electrical modification work has been handed over to a subcontractor on the next MNCR married pair...presumably for our closed crew doing contract Periodic Inspection...work I know well on the RIP TRAX. Carknockers RULE! One of my railbuddys pointed out to me I must always maintain my focus on my work...a former CED chair. Right TD? ATB&GB RRCI Peter |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 16:45:14 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 15:06:31 2006. I second that. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Apr 29 16:53:17 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:46:53 2006. Hes got that pretty much down right. My commute from Riverdale-VCP area to downtown WTC is 32 minutes via Bway to Dyckman-HHP around the lunchtime crowds. Going home I can do it in 25 via the FDR-Willis Ave Bridge and the Deegan. Driving to Bedford Pk to pick up a Lexington Avenue train is 15 minutes plus parking time, and 47 minutes to Fulton St once I'm on the train and forget about the bus. HHP has been good to us here, the flooding occurs north of Farragut, the school bus last week didn't quite knock down the bridge at W256 and my bike parks where no man could park a car before. And cheaper too. At 45 MPG, no tolls and $7.50 per week in the tank I cut my trip time in half and no metrocard discounts come close. I'll take my chances on the parkway before I sit another day in traffic on the IRT. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Sat Apr 29 17:06:48 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 03:46:53 2006. Henry Hudson, always. My mother or father (depending on whose turn it is to drive me) take me to school at approximately 8:05 AM each weekday. Traffic is always flawless, unless an accident has occurred, in which case, ~5 minutes are added to my commute.I almost always use the subway to commute home, except for the lucky times when my mom is willing to pick me up. This commute occurs around 3-4PM. Traffic is never heavy. The subway never comes close. If my parents aren't willing to drive me in the morning (thankfully, this happens infrequently), I have to leave the house by 7:15 to arrive on time (Broadway IRT from 181st street to 242nd terminal.) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 17:38:40 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 29 15:37:17 2006. This truth is based on my observations while in DC. Speedometer read 35 mph.One visit doesn’t total up to what you believe to be the truth. The railroad may have not liked your presents that day. It's done that to me a couple of times. Other day I have been rewarded with high speeds in certain areas that I would not normally expect. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 17:39:45 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Apr 29 06:33:30 2006. It's "hablas" ingles, not "habla". Habla is when talking formally, and you must use "Ud." after it when asking a question. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Sat Apr 29 18:25:13 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 17:39:45 2006. O, tal vez, él quería preguntar si un objecto habla ingles.«Riendo de voz alta», --Julián |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Sat Apr 29 18:31:44 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 17:39:45 2006. (Oh, and incidentally: I think the addition of "usted" is merely idiomatic, so "habla ingles" when referring to formal 2nd person singular is still grammatically correct.) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 18:51:41 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Apr 29 16:31:08 2006. There are many levels of CBTC like ATC/ATO/ATS and so much more.My journeyman’s maintains manual of General Railway Signal now Alstom implementation ATC, defined ATS and ATP as subsystems of ATC. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 29 20:56:38 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:58:14 2006. It WAS pointed out. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Apr 30 00:09:19 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sat Apr 29 17:39:45 2006. Aspire el pene usted? |
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Posted by Goumba Tony on Sun Apr 30 00:23:14 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Apr 30 00:09:19 2006. I think you've passed what he's learned in school. |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sun Apr 30 01:04:44 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 27 22:16:35 2006. San Francisco's BART does not go faster than the DC Metro. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 30 01:13:58 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Apr 28 22:32:36 2006. Not on Sundays. |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Sun Apr 30 01:18:04 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Apr 27 22:01:09 2006. Try 70+. Go to WASHINGTON D.C., baybee! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 30 02:01:18 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sun Apr 30 01:18:04 2006. A whole 5 miles an hour above 70. Cut it out already with the exaggerations, we know better. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sun Apr 30 10:44:33 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 30 01:13:58 2006. But yes on Saturdays. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Apr 30 12:45:53 2006, in response to Re: Restore Full speed to the System, posted by Subway Camper on Sun Apr 30 01:18:04 2006. SEPTA >>> WMATA |
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Re: CBTC to the System |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sun Apr 30 16:14:32 2006, in response to Re: CBTC to the System, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 29 18:51:41 2006. Alstom is partly Bombardier. MetroNorth identifies ATC as part of cab signals. I modify and repair the ATC pick-up units will a full understanding of the system but did not receive ATC certification because I am not an 'electrician.' ATC on M7s is the lowest part of a EMU second only to the snow shield and is struck by everything on the trax damaging the Faraday shield which isolates the two pick-up coils from the tractionmotors. My work was just handed over to a subcontractor to be done by laborers after I trained a few guys how to do the work per MNCR requirements. They can have it! RRCI Peter |
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