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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 27 21:12:24 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Dec 26 19:08:54 2025. Here's an example. Is this what you're asking?Suppose some that hasn't used the subway in weeks takes the following number of trips over a 14 day period. They'd end up paying for 12 rides each week with no free rides the first week and 4 free rides the second week. Are you asking why the system doesn't optimize to get the lowest fare by charging full fare for the 2 rides the first Monday and then charging for the first 12 rides starting Friday? If that were done in this scenario, then that rider would only pay for 14 rides instead of paying for 24 rides. I think that the issue is that they wouldn't know what to charge for rides until after 7 days had passed. That would be very confusing for everyone. Mon - 2 trips Tue - no trips Wed- no trips Thu - no trips Fri - 4 trips Sat - 4 trips Sun - 2 trips Mon - 4 trips Tue - 4 trips Wed - 4 trips Thu - 4 trips Fri - no trips Sat - no trips Sun - no trips |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 27 23:16:29 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 27 21:12:24 2025. All this BS and the single fare goes up? |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 23:18:04 2025, in response to Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 23 12:39:45 2025. I wonder why Pat Schissel didn't know if there was a balance on the Metro Card? All Pat had to do was go to the token booth at any subway station and slide it in the mounted Metro Card reader.Every token booth still has them and they work and the Schissel's could have checked their balances. |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Dec 28 00:17:47 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 26 22:28:26 2025. Mostly tourists use them. Or when the police are around. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Dec 28 00:20:13 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 27 17:19:46 2025. You can link it to do so. |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Dec 28 00:23:20 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by B1bus on Sun Dec 28 00:20:13 2025. online, or by phone. |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 28 07:23:14 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 27 21:12:24 2025. I don't want to pay for 10 additional rides in order to avoid confusion. If the computers are less confused than the human brain and can save me fares, so be it. I could always look back and see how it was figured out and look for errors, but most people wouldn't care to do that since they'd be paying less than they planned anyway.This is like asking a merchant in a store to round up your $78 credit card purchase to $100 in order to keep a clear picture in your mind of how much you've spent. They would always know what to charge for a ride. The lesser of $3 (or) $35 minus what's been collected in the last 7 days. And they do know what they've been collecting because even now at the 12th ride they have to know to only charge $2 in order to have a $35 cap - I presume that $2 charge happens on the spot. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 28 07:26:15 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 27 11:46:05 2025. But people like that won't ever get a bigger bill than they were expecting - they would only be able to call and complain about having saved money. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 28 13:15:57 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 28 07:26:15 2025. Except no. They would be upset why they were charged on Tuesday, for rides taken on Sunday. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 29 07:12:00 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 26 11:53:14 2025. You can use any debit card with an RFID chip. Thats what I do when im in the city. |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 29 07:12:30 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Dec 26 07:12:53 2025. This has been coming for 2 years. |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 11:40:45 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 28 07:23:14 2025. Using Easy's example, it would treat the first ride on Monday #2 as ride #11, charge $2.10 for ride #2, and then the last two would be free.But then what to do on Tuesday? It would start charging again, and then what? What would ride #2 cost? |
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Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 14:27:39 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 11:40:45 2025. exemplary evidence of stupid accounting policies enabled by IT. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 15:25:05 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 14:27:39 2025. Huh? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 29 15:47:31 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 11:40:45 2025. It wouldn't start charging on Tuesday. It would know that at least 12 rides have been made within the last 7 days and that no charge should occur until the first ride on Friday or later.Tuesday Week 2 would be ride #s 15, 16, 17, and 18 - all free. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 16:53:39 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 29 15:47:31 2025. See? I misread it and I supposedly understand what you're proposing.Look at this modified scenario (I'm using dates to minimize confusion): 12/1 - 2 trips 12/2 - 2 trips 12/3 - no trips 12/4 - no trips 12/5 - 4 trips 12/6 - no trips 12/7 - 2 trips 12/8 - 4 trips 12/9 - 4 trips 12/10 - 4 trips 12/11 - 4 trips 12/12 - no trips 12/13 - no trips 12/14 - no trips In this scenario, ride #12 would be achieved on 12/8 as reckoned from 12/2. On 12/9, your 7 day period begins on 12/3, you now have only 10 rides in the last 7 days. What happens now? What does it charge you for the 4 trips on 12/9? If you're saying that week resets, then what about the person who would rather include 12/9 and disregard 12/2? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 19:01:16 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 15:25:05 2025. Because computing is so 'easy' to implement, very detailed marketing is easy to deploy. You are probably aware that online vendors with access to your buying habits can 'adjust' prices you are offered for merch. It is thus 'easy' for MTA to implement the capping feature despite the complexity. While less onerous than simply hiking fares, I prefer a lower (or zero) fare increase w/o all of the bells and whistles. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 21:55:21 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 19:01:16 2025. This fare capping feature is a replacement for the 7-day pass, which is being done away with. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 22:38:56 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 21:55:21 2025. i understand that. Given that we ca\t get free fares (you don't pay a fee for FDMY, NYPD services) any scheme to lower net cost to riders... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 30 00:35:07 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 29 22:38:56 2025. The fare should not be free. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 30 00:52:30 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 30 00:35:07 2025. Our opinions differ. Such is life. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 30 07:42:03 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 29 16:53:39 2025. Thanks for putting in the dates. For simplicity purposes I'll go to the new fare structure.12/1 to 12/7 would be 10 trips, all paid ($3 each). 12/1's trips now disappear in terms of the cap since 7 days are up. 12/8 thus reverts back to trip #9 and concludes with trip #12. The first three trips are fully paid, but that last trip would be $2 to stay within the cap. 12/2's trips now disappear in terms of the cap since 7 days are up. 12/9 The first two trips would each be $3 to get back up to a total of $35 paid in 7 days (12/3-12/9). Then the last two trips free. 12/10 and 12/11 All free ($35 has already been paid in the last 7 days) There are no further trips on the given example, but on 12/12 if you were riding you would be charged the full fare for the first 4 trips of the day (basically making up for 12/5's payments that no longer count). The passenger always ends up with the best deal. How could the passenger have planned it better? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 30 12:36:37 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by B1bus on Sun Dec 28 00:17:47 2025. The days of me hopping over or running under turnstiles are long behind me! I remember riding with my Father ducking under the turnstiles at 69th St #7 stop until I was about 11, often bumping my head into the big wooden turnstile arm. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 30 19:09:24 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 30 00:52:30 2025. Fare enough, but I think a comparison to police and fire is inappropriate. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 30 21:27:42 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 30 19:09:24 2025. public servants dedicated to the common good, not paid on fee for service basis. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 30 22:35:56 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 30 21:27:42 2025. That isn’t a meaningful standard. Should public grocery stores, where they exist, give away free food? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Dec 30 23:02:13 2025, in response to Re: Some NYC seniors troubled by switch to OMNY as MTA kills the MetroCard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 30 12:36:37 2025. I have memory of doing that too. |
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