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Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 21 21:54:25 2021 Were there any switches between Metropolitan Ave and White Pot Junction? |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 06:45:10 2021, in response to Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 21 21:54:25 2021. From what I had seen from Google Maps on view through satellite mode, there is no switching off from the LIRR at White Pot Junction, but the tunnel openings coming out underneath are still there. It is a straight rail run between Rego Park and Forest Hills.However, there is a parking lot with asphalt pavement that is over the former railroad ROW, in the vicinity south of Metropolitan Avenue. Also, the overpass bridge once used by trains crossing Union Turnpike does not seem to be there, and there was probably some past damage that necessitated to have it removed. Then there is the school bus parking lot that took over the junction and some former ROW at Atlantic Avenue. -William A. Padron ["Brooklyn Manor"] |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 07:17:09 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 06:45:10 2021. I'm thinking there was one switch, somewhere south of White Pot Junction/Rego Park. A switch that would allow a westbound/Manhattan bound train to make a reverse move by the tunnel and back southbound towards Rockaway.There is a switch at Union Turnpike connecting Rockaway Branch to Lower Montauk branch. The track runs between Union Turnpike and 88th Street. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 07:59:28 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 06:45:10 2021. The Metro Avenue parking lot, Atlantic Ave cutoff, an illegal softball fields lacking Park Dept signage, and whatever other encroachments I think could easily be retaken.Main Line trains could not stop at Rego Park. There were no switches until the tracks merged under the New Haven RR overpass. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 08:03:43 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 07:17:09 2021. I thumbed through the Herbert George Book "Change at Ozone Park" There are some track maps, but only general route maps for the trackage south of White Pot. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 22 08:18:22 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 07:17:09 2021.   
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Feb 22 08:26:12 2021, in response to Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 21 21:54:25 2021. try looking it up on http://www.openrailwaymap.org/ |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by sloth on Mon Feb 22 10:32:51 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 07:17:09 2021. I'm guessing the rules in effect were automatic block with Rule 251. For a crossover switch there to be truly useful it would have had to be a part of White Pot interlocking, configured like the crossovers on Oyster Bay at East Williston. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Feb 22 12:47:43 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 06:45:10 2021. The two overpasses at Union Turnpike, one for the Rockaway Beach Branch and the other for the connection to the lower Montauk are still there: |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 13:46:04 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by VictorM on Mon Feb 22 12:47:43 2021. OK, thanks for the confirmation then.-William A. Padron ["Parkside"] |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:04:18 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by VictorM on Mon Feb 22 12:47:43 2021. yup. I know that well. That connector track between Rockaway and Lower Montauk lines.The little league field (RGMVLL) is bordered by Montauk Lower, Rockaway ROW, and the single connector track between the two. That connecting track has two little spur tracks for freight cars to service the factories on Union Turnpike. Each track was about two car lengths long. When I was a little kid in the late 70's and early 80's I would go there and throw the switches on those spur tracks. There was an abandoned freight car on one of them. The switches should have been locked so no one got hurt. You can probably see remnants on google satellite. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:14:05 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:04:18 2021. the building listed as 89-37 Union Turnpike(I think it's Coca-Cola) had the little spur track for freight cars. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:20:50 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 22 08:18:22 2021. thanks. that's White Pot Junction where Rockaway meets the mainline.but I'm thinking there had to be at least one crossover switch between the two tracks on the Rockaway line. I would think there would be one at Fleet Street just before the junction in case trains needed to be turned for some reason. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Feb 22 18:00:02 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:04:18 2021. The little league field (RGMVLL) is bordered by Montauk Lower, Rockaway ROW, and the single connector track between the two.That connecting track has two little spur tracks for freight cars to service the factories on Union Turnpike. Each track was about two car lengths long. When I was a little kid in the late 70's and early 80's I would go there and throw the switches on those spur tracks. There was an abandoned freight car on one of them. The switches should have been locked so no one got hurt. You can probably see remnants on google satellite. I couldn't see anything on satellite view, though if the satellite had taken the photo when the leaves were off the trees it might have been different. Hard to say for sure. It might be possible to see the remnants of the spur tracks from ground level, depending on what kind of access there is. Maybe from the driveway off Woodhaven Blvd. service road leading to the ballfields. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 18:10:31 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Feb 22 18:00:02 2021. If you go to the field when there is a little league game you should be able to see the little spur.When I was a kid you could just walk the track but it's now fenced. Yeah, the trees have grown and cover it now. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Feb 23 08:30:44 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 16:20:50 2021. Not that a photo of such a switch doesn't exist. I have not found it yet, if it exists. |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 10:36:28 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 13:46:04 2021. The initial MTA report in the possible reactivation of RBB service. Some of the overpass bridges would need replacement, as they state there...MTA Long Island Phase One: Rockaway Beach Branch Assessment - Final White Paper, LIRR Contract 6168C-10-09, Release "A". -William A. Padron ["LIRR / IND"] |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 24 11:00:30 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 10:36:28 2021. We also know they were trying to make this as expensive as possible so they would never had to do it. Do we rally have to have heated platforms to melt the snow ? |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Feb 24 11:23:45 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 10:36:28 2021. I'm not sure those ridership projections make any sense. The only advantages to subway operation are 1) lower fare and 2) ability to siphon off bus riders to Queens Center. The LIRR would take you from Howard Beach to Penn in a little under 30 minutes on the emptiest peak train on the system outside of West Hempstead.The study would have you believe that Rego Park would be by far the busiest station on the line... so why not just put a couple of 6 car platforms on the mainline and call it a day? What's funny is I find myself agreeing with the Rego Park option as delivering the most benefit for basically the cost of two ADA elevators... but suppose you were able to shoehorn a commuter parking facility into Howard Beach or Aqueduct, and provide connecting buses on decent headways... |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 24 11:32:28 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 10:36:28 2021. William: Thank you for posting this interesting document. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 16:57:46 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 24 11:32:28 2021. You are welcomed, Larry, and at anytime too! Here are the other related links...Click on any of the documents on the "Phase 1 Report Documents", which each are more detailed in scope. MTA Projects - Reactivating the Rockaway Beach Branch. Phase 2 - JFK OSR Rail Study - New Document [I]. Phase 2 - JFK OSR Rail Study - Maps [2]. -William A. Padron ["Rego Park"] |
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Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Feb 24 19:13:38 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by VictorM on Mon Feb 22 12:47:43 2021. 
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 21:05:14 2021, in response to Re: Question about the abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach ROW, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Feb 24 19:13:38 2021. Yeah, I thinking about that particular bridge, which I thought in error it was "out" due to damage. Well, this what happens when some outfit will take over any land or anything not in use.Great photo you posted and shared here, Bill! Thanks in advance. -William A. Padron ["Nowhere In Particular"] |
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