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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 27 09:26:19 2020 Tuscarora Almanac - October 27, 1904 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company The Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT) begins operation of the "First Subway" between City Hall and 145 Street - Broadway. The following stations were opened and are listed by the current line designations. Lexington Avenue Line: City Hall, Brooklyn Bridge, Worth Street, Canal Street, Spring Street, Bleecker Street, Astor Place, 14th Street, 18th Street, 23rd Street, 28th Street and 33rd Street. 42 Street Line: Grand Central and Times Square Broadway - 7th Avenue Line: 50th Street, 59th Street, 66th Street, 72nd Street, 79th Street, 86th Street, 91st Street and 96th Street. Broadway Line: 103rd Street, 110th Street, 116th Street, 125th Street, 137 Street and 145th Street. Mr. William Padron contributed the following information: "However, after many nerve trying experiences, we gradually unraveled the innumerable knotty problems which we encountered and on October 27th, 1904, at 2.38 o'clock in the afternoon, three special trains carrying Mayor McClellan with a party of City officials, the General Manager of the road and other officials of the Company and their friends, were run over the line, formally opening the road to the public. The Mayor's train consisted of cars Nos. 3371, 2118, 3369, 2083 and 3359." Source: "Ten Years of the Subway (1914) Interborough Bulletin • 1914 By Superintendent A. L. Merritt: The Remarkable Story of the Opening and Growth of the World's Greatest and Most Efficient Transportation System" Tuscarora Almanac – October 27, 1940 – The Book of Last Runs Flushing, Queens, New York New York City Board of Transportation IND Division The IND World’s Fair station closes for the second and final time at the end of the 1940 season. Source: New York Division Bulletin/ September 2007 Tuscarora Almanac – October 27, 1972 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority Ground is broken for the first section of the Second Avenue subway at East 103rd Street and Second Avenue. Source: New York Division Bulletin /December 1972 Tuscarora Almanac – October 27, 1973 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation The Christopher Street station is re-opened on Sundays from 5 AM to 12 midnights. It had been closed on Sundays for several years due to low patronage. Source: New York Division Bulletin /December 1974 Tuscarora Almanac – October 27, 1994 – The Book of Special Runs New York City Transit Authority IRT Division This is the 90th Anniversary of the opening of New York’s “First Subway”. The four museum Lo-V Motors operate in passenger service on Track 3 of the 42nd Street Shuttle. The consist was (e) 5292-5290-5483-5443. Source: New York Division Bulletin /November 1994 Tuscarora Almanac – October 27-29, 2004 – The Book of Special Runs This is the 100th Anniversary of the opening of the “First Subway”. The City Hall station is temporarily re-opened and a four car train of Lo-V motor with dignitaries and invited guests runs from there to the Grand Central shuttle station where a press conference is held. The Lo-V’s then deadhead from there to South Ferry and up the 7th Avenue Line to Times Square. Here passengers are allowed to board and the train ran to 137th Street via the Broadway Line express track all the way. (Ed.Note: A special temporary staircase was installed at City Hall to allow the dignitaries to enter the station (need details). The Lo-V’s then proceeded north to 59th Street, middle track and ran downtown to south of Grand Central where they reversed again. Then then proceeded north into track 1 of the shuttle) Three of the museum R-Type ran on track 4 of the 42nd Street Shuttle from 7 AM to 7 PM. The consist was 5760-6609-9306. On October 28 & 29 a three car train of “BU” types ran on the Astoria Line middle track between Astoria Boulevard and 39th Avenue. (pick-up at Astoria Boulevard only). A train of IND Arnines ran on the BMT Broadway Line between Ditmars Boulevard and Canal Street. The consist was 100-381-484-401-1575 I also understand that a train of IRT R-Types ran on the Broadway-7th Avenue Line between 242nd Street and Times Square. If anyone has details on this train please let me know. Many railfans came from all over the country and even overseas for this event. Those that I know of are myself, Steve B/ 8th Avenue Exp., Ian Brady of Australia, Chris R-16,R 27/30, Far Rockaway A Train, the ageless Tunnelrat, Joe C, Jackson Park B Train, Milantram, northshore , Main R3664, William A Padron and Wayne Mr. Slant R-40. (Let me know if you want your name added to the list. Tuscarora Almanac - October 27, 2014 - The Book of Special Runs IRT Lo-V Motors ran in service today between 96th Street and Times Square on the Broadway-7th Avenue Line. This is in celebration of the 110th Anniversary of the First Subway. In addition to myself sub-chat was represented by Steve B / 8th Avenue Express and Milantram. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:04:10 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 27 09:26:19 2020. The four museum Lo-V Motors operate in passenger service on Track 3 of the 42nd Street Shuttle. The consist was (e) 5292-5290-5483-5443. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:22:02 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 27 09:26:19 2020. A train of IND Arnines ran on the BMT Broadway Line between Ditmars Boulevard and Canal Street. The consist was 100-381-484-401-1575 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 27 10:23:57 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 27 09:26:19 2020. I was there on 10/27-29/04 and 10-27-14.Back in 2004, I took in the IND old timers for as long as I could on Friday the 29th before heading out to LGA. By the time I got through security, my flight was boarding. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 27 14:38:28 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:22:02 2020. Nice. What year? |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Oct 27 15:41:25 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 27 14:38:28 2020. It was mentioned in the first post on this thread, 2004, in late October. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 27 15:50:56 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:22:02 2020. I love the ASTORIA VIA TUNNEL end sign. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 27 16:30:52 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:22:02 2020. Thanks as always, Larry for the data. Thanks Newkirk for the pix. Indeed the 2004 celebration was a gas. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 27 16:51:31 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 10:22:02 2020. I remember it well. On the 27th, that train ran express along Broadway between 57th St. and Canal St. On the 28th and 29th, it ran local. Not that I really minded. I always love to hear those old timers accelerate - literally music to my ears! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 17:06:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 27 14:38:28 2020. Nice. What year?October 29, 2004 Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 17:07:22 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 27 15:50:56 2020. I love the ASTORIA VIA TUNNEL end sign.Possibly from an R-11. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 27 17:33:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 17:07:22 2020. R-9s used them too when they were assigned to the 4th Av Lcl. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 27 21:00:09 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 27 17:33:17 2020. I've seen that sign on 1802. Plus there's a route curtain with BMT Southern Division number signs that are displayed when needed. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Oct 28 10:10:11 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 17:07:22 2020. Weren't low numbered R-1s outfitted with BMT signage when they were tested on the Sea Beach? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 28 10:51:05 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Oct 28 10:10:11 2020. Weren't low numbered R-1s outfitted with BMT signage when they were tested on the Sea Beach? I do not believe so. There were only on the BMT for testing purposes. There were a limited number of runs each day and they were only assigned to one line, No. 4 Sea Beach Express. I have seen some photographs that indicate that the signage was either cardboard or heavy paper. Does anyone know for sure?. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 11:18:58 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 28 10:51:05 2020. I've seen photos of that R-1 test train and the cars did indeed have BMT rollsigns. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Wed Oct 28 12:20:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 27 17:07:22 2020. In the early 1950s, a number of IND R1-9 cars were assigned to the BMT Southern division, running on the #2 Fourth Ave. Local, so at least these cars would have had some BMT readings, including "ASTORIA VIA TUNNEL" which would have been used in this service. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 15:18:50 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by BMT Standard on Wed Oct 28 12:20:27 2020. I've seen photos of R-1s sporting 95th St. Ft Hamilton destination signs. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:39:46 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 28 10:51:05 2020. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:42:07 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 11:18:58 2020. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:45:24 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 15:18:50 2020. 
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 28 16:35:59 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:42:07 2020. It’s interesting that the destination readings show the south terminal above the north terminal instead of the other way around which was the usual practice for years. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 28 16:39:51 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 28 10:51:05 2020. I wonder what the BMT crews must have thought about having to change the taillights manually since all BMT prewar equipment had taillights that changed from red to white with the throwing of the reverser not to mention the lack of tripcocks that could be reset from the cab and the lack of a safety interlock to prevent the train from moving with the doors open. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 28 16:45:01 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 15:18:50 2020. By the way, for those of you who don’t know, when the R-1/9s and later the R-10s and 16s first operated on the BMT the bulkhead doors between cars were kept locked the same as on the steels even though the shorter end excess made it unnecessary. For a short period when the R-27s first started operating on the BMT, they too had the doors locked between cars until someone finally realized that the same safety issue did not exist and the doors were ordered unlocked. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Oct 28 17:53:02 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 28 16:35:59 2020. There is another picture of a pre-war R unit with IND typeface BMT signage at a station along the Sea Beach. That one is likely a more modern date. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 22:11:44 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:45:24 2020. I rest my case.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 22:14:58 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 28 16:39:51 2020. The IND wasn't about to pay royalties to the BMT. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 29 02:20:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Oct 28 17:53:02 2020. Take a look at the 3rd rail. It is still the el type that was used on all the tracks at CI pre war. That cars is also one of the group that ran on the sea beach for testing. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 29 02:22:52 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 28 22:14:58 2020. I know that, but there were certain features that the R-1s could have had without infringing on the BMT’s patents. The taillights could have been made changeable from the cab by using a switch in the cab like the R-6s and up had. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 29 13:39:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 29 02:20:21 2020. I wonder who added those el type contact shoes? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 29 17:11:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 29 13:39:14 2020. Those were not el type shoes but the standard BMT style shoes that could operate with both subway and elevated type 3rd rail. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Oct 30 08:19:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:42:07 2020. Of course R1 381 has been preserved and still runs today. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Nov 1 04:05:08 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 28 15:39:46 2020. On my very first ERA fan trip, 1966 maybe - 207th St. yard tour then train of D-types pulled by steeplecab over the IND & BMT. - I remember Jerry Landau stepping over third rails in the yard without thinking twice |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 08:22:26 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Express Rider on Sun Nov 1 04:05:08 2020. Did they not want to run the Triplexes under their own power, or were they incapable of doing so? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 1 14:33:03 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 27 09:26:19 2020. Thank you, as always. I rode the Arnines on Friday, October 29th. I saw the BU cars at Astoria Boulevard, but for whatever reason, I did not ride them. I'm thinking now that that was a mistake. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 15:17:36 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 1 14:33:03 2020. I rode both. You probably saw me that day. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 1 17:59:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 15:17:36 2020. I thought I saw myself in a pic from that day on nycsubway.org. But looking back, I don't see it. if I had, I'da linked it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 19:42:48 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Nov 1 17:59:44 2020. I'm in a pic from Oct. 24th. I'm at the RFW on 1575 in my Mets jacket as the old timers howled ass n/b at B above middle C. That's moving, folks. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Nov 1 22:15:44 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 08:22:26 2020. The reason for using the steeplecab I cannot unfortunately answer, maybe someone else can.I do recall hearing traction motor hum on the trip late in the afternoon - someone said they were running under their own power then. Again, sorry for not having more details. I was 16 then and a new railfan - very new: I was still learning about R-numbers etc. I heard someone talking about an R-10 and had to ask what it was. I had only known them as post-war IND cars, and the IRT's Lo-V's* as "old IRT cars" which is how my Dad used to refer to both of them. *which I just missed in regular service, might have ridden them in '56 or '57 on the Lex local (maybe even a Hi-V once) but I don't remember. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sun Nov 1 23:03:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 08:22:26 2020. I assume it was just to make the trip more interesting. Had passengers ever been pulled by one of the work motors before? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 2 00:46:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Express Rider on Sun Nov 1 22:15:44 2020. You would very likely have picked up the difference if you got a Hi-V on the Lex Lcl since Pelham used Gibbs cars almost exclusively and they had full cabs and consequently no RFW. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 2 07:57:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 2 00:46:00 2020. Weren't the Gibbs Hi-Vs nicknamed Merry Widows? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Nov 2 13:53:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Asgard on Sun Nov 1 23:03:27 2020. I don't know about before, but it was done once again on September 22nd, 2002.--Mark |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 2 15:13:01 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 1 08:22:26 2020. Did they not want to run the Triplexes under their own power, or were they incapable of doing so? Steve: This happened more than once on fantrips with the steeple cab and the D-Types. The idea was to give railfans the treat of having there train by by a locomotive. Nevertheless there were time during the trips when the triplexes did all the pushing and the steeple cab just went along for the ride. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 2 20:54:12 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 2 07:57:14 2020. Correct. What is interesting is that the Composites as built were also “Merry Widows” but had their end vestibules and cabd reconfigured when they were transferred to the els. Since the vestibules were 6 in shorter than the vestibules on the deck roofers and the rest of the IRT fleet so the cabs on the reconfigured Composites bellied out a bit. When a group of Gibbs cars were converted to MUDC in the 1930s, although a sliding storm door was added, the sliding “Merry Widow” vestibule doors remained and the former end door simply functioned as a door to cover the controls when the cab wasn’t in use. |
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