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R-42 Retirement Run
Posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020 First, wanted to let folks know that the R-42 Retirement run is a go for next Wednesday February 12th. The program for the morning is being finalized and we anticipate that folks will begin to arrive at around 9:00am and that the train will leave the Museum for its last run at around 9:45.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 11:58:29 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* If they find a another major flaw with the R179 on Feb 13 or after, then what ?
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Posted by GojiMet86* on Sun Feb 9 13:03:52 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* https://new.mta.info/r42retirement Final Run of the R-42 So long, and thanks for all the trips The historic R-42 is making its final run on Wednesday, February 12, on the A line. See the approximate schedule below: Leaves Euclid Avenue at 10:30 AM to go to Far Rockaway, making all A stops along the way Leaves Far Rockaway at 11:30 AM to go to 207 St, making all A stops along the way Leaves 207 St at 1:30 PM to go back to Euclid Av, making all A stops About the Historic R-42 R-42s first rolled out in 1969, eventually totaling 400 cars in our fleet. The first cars were used on the BMT Broadway Line, known today as the N train. 1969 was a big year: Sesame Street debuted, the New York Mets won the World Series, Woodstock drew over 350,000 people to a farm in upstate New York, and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first humans to walk on the moon. Along with the R-32, the R-42 is the only post-war car to reach the 50-year service mark. The R-32 still run on the A and C. The R-42 were featured in the famous “car vs. subway chase” in William Friedkin’s 1971 thriller The French Connection. The two cars, #4572 and #4573 became part of New York Transit Museum’s collection. Seated capacity on the R-42 is 44, and they were the first car type to arrive in service completely air-conditioned. A majority of the fleet was retired between 2006 and 2009. About 50 cars remained in service on the J and Z lines. Some of the retired cars were sunk in the Atlantic Ocean as part of an artificial reef program. The R-42 was the last car type to be designed as "married pairs," which means the two cars are semi-permanently linked together.
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Re: R-42 Retirement Run
Posted by Pelham Exp* on Sun Feb 9 13:41:25 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Feb 9 13:03:52 2020.* Thanks for posting this...I think there is a ceremony at the Museum first then then train will head to Euclid.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 16:04:25 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* Damn it, despite that day being my 67th birthday, I have a doctor's appointment in northeast Queens. I'll be there in spirit tho.
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Posted by Jsun21* on Sun Feb 9 16:16:41 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* Be interesting if anyone who made the first run, could make the final run.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 17:08:34 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* Beware of kids cutting school armed with screwdrivers, etc. to grab "memorabilia". Can't find a cop till after the fact. Need 1 cop per car for the entirety. And that's not going to happen.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 17:15:07 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 17:08:34 2020.* Are the builder plates screwed or bolted in ?
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline* on Sun Feb 9 17:24:51 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* I like the fact that the final run is on the A line, wanted to ride them outside of the Eastern Div one last time.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Feb 9 17:24:59 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:15:07 2020.* Riveted in place
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 17:28:20 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* There is an R27 or R30 around that is restorable for excursion service. Perhaps an R42 (or R32 if better match operationally) of the opposite gender could be held back from scrap and mated to it so it can run.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Feb 9 17:29:06 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* I remember the last run of the slants. Made it up to 207th St on a Friday before sundown. Then someone ordered the train to make another trip south, in service, to Euclid Ave and drop out into Pitkin Yd. for a photo op for the employees who worked on the cars. All those people who thought that they were on the last run were actually on the next to the last run.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Feb 9 17:30:05 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:28:20 2020.* 4572-73 already saved
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Posted by randyo* on Sun Feb 9 17:30:14 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Feb 9 13:03:52 2020.* As I mentioned in another post, while the R-42 was the first car type in which all the cars in the contract were air conditioned, the last 100 R-40 slants and all 100 R-40Ms were the first air conditioned cars on the NYCTS and that’s not counting the last 10 R-38s which also had A/C. I won’t count the 10 R-17s with A/C since unlike the other cars I mentioned those cars had the A/C removed and replaced with fans.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Feb 9 17:35:36 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 16:04:25 2020.* bestwishes for a happy birthdayand good news from the doctor.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 17:41:09 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 17:30:14 2020.* Did the 10 R38's get to keep it until their GOH ?
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 17:42:20 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 9 17:30:05 2020.* I know that. But I meant save another one to marry to an R27/30.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sun Feb 9 17:51:21 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:42:20 2020.* It would look less... weird if they chose an R32 for that purpose...
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 18:00:41 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 9 17:35:36 2020.* Thanks.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 18:02:36 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:41:09 2020.* Yes. Cars 4141-4149 had air conditioning for their entire service lives.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 18:03:38 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 18:02:36 2020.* Make that 4140-4149.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Feb 9 18:17:46 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 9 17:51:21 2020.* Be happy with whatever you can get. Two sluggish, heavier, St Louis cars may be a better match.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Feb 9 18:35:46 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 9 17:29:06 2020.* Is that right? I was on that last northbound trip from Far Rockaway to W.4th. Oh well.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Feb 9 18:37:20 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:42:20 2020.* We've said many times that there are no more R-27s at all.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Feb 9 18:39:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 9 18:35:46 2020.* Sorry
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sun Feb 9 19:00:21 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 18:00:41 2020.* Best wishes to you, Bill.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 19:22:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 9 19:00:21 2020.* Thanks
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Feb 9 19:23:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 9 18:39:44 2020.* Yeah that’s the way it goes.
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Posted by Pelham Exp* on Sun Feb 9 19:41:35 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 19:22:10 2020.* Happy Birthday. I specifically posted b/c I know you are /were a M/M on the BMT and I wanted you to attend the ceremony at the museum. I didn’t have your email . Sorry you can’t attend. Steve
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 9 20:27:02 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 16:04:25 2020.* good luck at the doctor and have a Happy Birthday.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 21:10:02 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 19:41:35 2020.* Thanks for the invite tho.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Feb 9 21:10:37 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 9 20:27:02 2020.* Thanks
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sun Feb 9 21:12:32 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020.* I'll try to be there
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Feb 9 22:20:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 9 18:37:20 2020.* Except possibly for the 2 school cars in pitkin yard, IF they are still there.
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Posted by 3-9* on Sun Feb 9 22:33:00 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Feb 9 17:24:51 2020.* I'm not happy they're not running them out to/from the Rockaways (or even Lefferts) like a regular A train and making it a real last run. Is it even going express along Fulton?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Feb 9 23:11:57 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 9 22:20:44 2020.* I don’t know they made a big deal about the last one being hauled off for scrap a few years ago.
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Posted by randyo* on Sun Feb 9 23:38:40 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 9 17:30:05 2020.* Not that I have anything against saving 4572/73 but a mixed married pair of an R-40M and an R-42 would have been interesting to show the similarities and slight differences between the 2 types of cars. The same actually could have been done or could maybe still be done with an R-32 and an R-38 to show the variations between the 2 types of cars.
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Posted by randyo* on Sun Feb 9 23:39:55 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 9 18:37:20 2020.* An R-30 would be OK since the 2 car types were virtually identical.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Mon Feb 10 00:04:42 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 9 23:11:57 2020.* Okay, thanks.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Feb 10 07:41:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 23:38:40 2020.* Does the "R41" pair still exist ? I always wanted to see an R40 Slant and R40M pair swap mates, make a 4 car set with sloped ends.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Mon Feb 10 08:31:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Feb 9 13:03:52 2020.* I'm sorry that I probably won't be able to make it. But I'm glad they're doing a "last run". I hope it's well attended. I note that they say that "The first cars were used on the BMT Broadway Line, known today as the N train". It was known as the N in 1969 as well!!!
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Posted by MainR3664* on Mon Feb 10 08:33:31 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 9 18:03:38 2020.* Thank you.!! How well did that A/C work in the 1970s and through 1986 or so? I'd suspect somewhere between hardly and not at all!!
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry* on Mon Feb 10 08:43:38 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 23:38:40 2020.* Does the mismated pair assembled as a result of the Williamsburg Bridge accident still exist? IIRC it was an R40M with an R42 partner.
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Posted by mack c-49* on Mon Feb 10 08:58:28 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 10 08:33:31 2020.* I remember riding the E from WTC to 179th daily in the summer of 1968 when the consists were usually a hodgepodge of R38s and R40s. One quickly learned to identify the air-conditioned cars from the exterior roof vents and dive for those cars in the sweltering heat. It took many years for air-conditioning to become the norm system-wide with older rolling stock retrofitted as well as the R42s forward all being air-conditioned. Of course, now some stations are more unbearable than ever in the summer heat. I nearly expired in the Union Square station once last summer from the oppressive heat. The trains now generate so much heat and station ventilation is often terribly inadequate.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Feb 10 08:59:04 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 10 08:31:33 2020.* And in 1959-60 with the R27's, though they didn't appear on that route very much. The TA tried very hard to abolish BMT line names in Nov 1967.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Feb 10 09:05:06 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by mack c-49 on Mon Feb 10 08:58:28 2020.* That's one reason Montreal subway cars have air "coolers".
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Mon Feb 10 12:08:45 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Feb 10 08:43:38 2020.* Yes.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Mon Feb 10 12:14:47 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 23:38:40 2020.* 4460 (R40M) mated to 4665 survives. Here they are in service: https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?81140 They survive in CIYD, but will need work to be operable.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Feb 10 12:16:09 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 23:39:55 2020.* Besides the numbers you probably couldn’t tell much of a difference
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Mon Feb 10 12:17:52 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 9 23:39:55 2020.* And us "old timers" remember that the R27/30 ran in service married to each other as they had couplers rather than link bars.
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