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R46 on the N - CI swap is legit |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019 There's an R46 running in service on the (N) right now. Seems like the Coney Island - Jamaica Swap is legit.Hopefully someone will post good pics of it soon. |
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Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:16:02 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. I believe the R-46s are ultimately destined to return to the (G), but being based out of Coney Island Yard, it's possible for them to be used on any line out of that yard. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 4 18:46:20 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:16:02 2019. I look forward to riding them on the (W) and (B). |
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Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 4 19:22:14 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. That means they have to stock unique R46 parts in CI ? |
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VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Dec 4 23:02:49 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. As mentioned, the R46s at Jamaica Shop are being swapped to Coney Island Shop in exchange for R160s. This is due to the need to have the E/F/M/R lines run R160s in preparation for the cutover to CBTC on the Queens Boulevard Line.Enjoy these two videos! |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 00:01:52 2019, in response to VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Dec 4 23:02:49 2019. Fantastic! |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:01:08 2019, in response to VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Dec 4 23:02:49 2019. Was that G only 4 cars?? |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:08:22 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 4 19:22:14 2019. They used to lay up R46 F trains too. Not sure if those were maintained there or at JYd. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 5 10:18:00 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:08:22 2019. 10 F trains have to be laid up at CIY in order to meet the AM rush, they were never serviced at CI Shops. You could always see them from the Belt Parkway nights and weekends. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 5 10:19:17 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. We paced an N R46 this morning northbound on Manhattan Bridge B vs N. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 13:24:30 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:08:22 2019. But CI shops don't touch them. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 17:06:20 2019, in response to VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Dec 4 23:02:49 2019. When will this CBTC cut-over happen ?On the several dozen R160's that run on the "L", I presume their CBTC equipment is no good for the Queens Blvd's version ? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:18:01 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 13:24:30 2019. If the R-46s are officially transferred to lines operating out of CIY then the shop will have to have to stock a supply of parts. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:27:34 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 17:06:20 2019. There have been rumors to that effect which to me seems to be the height of stupidity. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:55:11 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. I remember when R-46s ran on the Norton 40 years ago. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:58:28 2019, in response to VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Dec 4 23:02:49 2019. Not even a, "Via Sea Beach" sign? Fred isn't going to like that.:( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:58:50 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 5 10:19:17 2019. Who won?:) |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:22:13 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:27:34 2019. Actually, the first generation CBTC (L line) relies on optical sensors. The CBTC on the 7 line and the CBTC on Queens Blvd use RF transmission. None of the systems are compatible with the others but presumably, future installations will be downward compatible with the 3rd generation system. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Dec 5 19:41:02 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 17:06:20 2019. Those are needed for the L anyway. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 5 19:44:02 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:01:08 2019. That's what they run 24/7, 4/75' cars. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:07:52 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:27:34 2019. So there will be Canarsie R160's, Queens IND R160's and Plain Jane R160's all of the 4 car set variety out of ENY, unless they chase the later group to the C train and have the J be all R179.Wonder if they will apply a color stripe under the number or something to keep it all straight ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:55:11 2019. "Back to the Future", just like in 2013, R32's went back to ENY after absent for 25 years in their pre-GOH life.Wonder how all the N/W and Q people will like getting old equipment back ? It will be like 1960 again the new R27's on the RR, and the old Triplexes on the Broadway Expresses. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 20:18:50 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019. Do you think the R-46 in its current condition matches a 1960 Triplex's condition? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 20:19:18 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019. I'd say they're doing them a favor. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Dec 5 22:27:59 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:58:28 2019. The southbound (Coney Island bound) N does display "N Sea Beach LCL". |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:51:02 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:22:13 2019. It would make no sense for the systems not to be compatible or at least for the rolling stock to be operable on all systems the MTA can come up with, but then this IS the MTA we’re talking about! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:53:52 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019. The passengers on those lines will probably appreciate the return of the cross seating over the bowling alley seating of the R-160s. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Dec 6 01:31:03 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 19:22:13 2019. it would seem that the technology people did not learn from the VHS / Beta incompatibility situation of the past. This is one system, albeit with two divisions. The rolling stock of the A division can be operated on either, although not in revenue service on the B. Did they think about maintenance of way equipment being brought from one division to another for necessary repair projects ? Does somebody intend to make money by having a redundancy in the system ? Just saying..... |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Dec 6 01:46:51 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Dec 6 01:31:03 2019. please note : my comments are those of someone on the outside looking in. Those who are in the know can correct and educate me as they feel they need to, and I will accept that. It is just that I have seen past troubling things and it looks like deja vu all over again.... |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 6 04:37:03 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019. I wonder how Mario will like having the old equipment on his 2nd Avenue line. |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 6 04:39:40 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by zac on Fri Dec 6 04:37:03 2019. I said Mario didn't I. I meant Andrew of course. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 6 07:22:59 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by zac on Fri Dec 6 04:37:03 2019. I think as long as the trains are kept clean and in good running condition, including HVAC and lighting, the public won't care. I think the non-railfan public doesn't bother to notice any differences between R46s and R160s, as they both have electronic signage. R68s? Hmmm..maybe they'd be noticed.Now if the TA sends rusted out R42s with scratched up windows to the SAS, THAT would be noticed. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:41:41 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Dec 6 01:31:03 2019. The roll out of CBTC on the L line was to prove the technology was adaptable. The optical sensors were problematic and ill-conceived from the start. Beyond that I feel that the entire CBTC experiment is a colossal waste of money. On the 7 line, the massive investment resulted in a 2 TPH increase in capacity. Why, they went to a 3rd, incompatible system is beyond me. To put it into the context of your VCR/BETA example, they should wait for DVDs. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Dec 6 09:44:05 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:41:41 2019. Or Blu-Ray. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 10:41:14 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:14:46 2019. Back?Yeah...they Were under temporary assignment while the R30a/42 were being GOH. Love the fact that the R46s are heading south. What's old is new again. In another ten years,it will be 160/211 cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 10:43:41 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by zac on Fri Dec 6 04:37:03 2019. Most likely won't care, since he's pretty much chilling in a lounge chair sipping in the afterlife. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 6 10:48:51 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:41:41 2019. Steve I’m in CBTC training now and the things I’m hearing.... Queens is using the same system the L uses.... |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 10:56:35 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 20:07:52 2019. From the report I've read, the 179s will receive CBTC (if they haven't already), and be removed from the Eastern division.They will be replaced with non CBTC R160 cars, since the Jamaica El won't be getting the new signal system at this point in time. Doesn't make sense to me. All NTT rolling stock should be CBTC by now regardless of whether the line is wired or not. The fact that there are routes that won't get the new system is crazy. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 6 11:26:37 2019, in response to R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by R46 5636 on Wed Dec 4 17:04:50 2019. Better off leaving R68/68A on the G, even though the R46 is a nicer car to operate and the cab, especially the seat, is many times more comfortable.Side signs are always the same on the R68/68A and more importantly a 4 car R46 has just 2 air compressors, yet the R68/68A has 3. A big difference in case a compressor is dead on either equipment. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Dec 6 11:28:49 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 6 10:48:51 2019. Where are you training, Railman, and where do you intend to utilize CBTC? Are you still out there in Nevada? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 11:35:19 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 5 09:01:08 2019. MTA believes that the G Only needs four car units, running at least every five to ten minutes, to make service since the line is now an extended shuttle route.They haven't considered the conditions such a short train creates. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 11:36:36 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 6 10:48:51 2019. Possibly the same system but it would be an act of insanity to use optical sensors on Queens Blvd since it's labor intensive and time consuming to keep those optical sensors clean enough to function. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 11:39:04 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:55:11 2019. Yup.Sweet seeing them there,too. I remember the very first R46 N I rode. Still had that new car smell,too. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 11:39:29 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 11:35:19 2019. Back in the day, G trains were a 4-car R46 set plus an A-A unit 24/7. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Dec 6 11:46:48 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 11:39:29 2019. I remember. IIRC these A-A units were higher number R-46s. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 6 12:29:05 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:51:02 2019. Rather than CBTC, the Flushing line should have been re-engineered for 12 car trains, to get a 9% boost in capacity. Similarly, for the Canarsie line - 9 car trains for 12.5%. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 6 12:56:40 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Dec 6 11:46:48 2019. As a reminder for those who are not aware, the AB unit, 6206/07 is linked to the 2 survivors of the 125th St. A line derailment from a few years ago.With 2 cars in the 6160 series. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 6 12:59:29 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 6 12:29:05 2019. Extending platforms, especially at underground stations, reconfiguring the Corona shops to accomidate 12 cars would cost billions, not to mention the cost of extra equiptment to make 12 car consists.The long term fix (IMO) for the Flushing line is to replace the 120Y/O Steinway tunnel with one built to B division specs, shave back the platforms & turn over the Flushing line to the B division with its wider cars. The billions needed would be put to better use. Wider cars would sure come in handy if the Airtrain is ever built to Willets Point & passengers come on loaded with baggage. |
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Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 6 14:28:09 2019, in response to Re: R46 on the N - CI swap is legit, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 5 18:55:11 2019. I remember them on the N as recently as 1987... |
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Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Dec 6 14:56:01 2019, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46s Operating on the G and N Lines, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 6 12:56:40 2019. The car numbers of that link are:6152-6153-6207-6206 |
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