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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 8 09:58:28 2019 One man crew
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 8 10:03:28 2019, in response to Class 1 RRs "want" one man crew, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 8 09:58:28 2019.* Fake news. That would make trains more vulnerable to crime and terrorism than they currently are.
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Posted by hhp664* on Fri Nov 8 10:59:42 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 10:03:28 2019.* Unfortunately its not fake news....Freight railroads have been pushing for this for years....And the FRA says there is no data to prove its necessary for two man crews.....Conductors would be like utility men stationed in various places with a van to get around for emergencys.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Fri Nov 8 11:19:09 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by hhp664 on Fri Nov 8 10:59:42 2019.* Crazy idea. So if a 100 car train has a parted hose somewhere, a conductor traveling in a van, responsible for territory other than where that train runs, is supposed to find an accessable entry to access the tracks and fix the problem? Then you have the wait. Engineer outlaws, find a replacement engineer they your on your way. Result: massive delay, tied up railroad, shippers get pissed & switch to 100% truck, RR loses business...on and on and on. This not even figuring that maybe an Amtrak train might be stuck in behind Like I opined, crazy idea.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Fri Nov 8 12:53:34 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 8 11:19:09 2019.* One man crews are just as pointless as two man crews for a majority of jobs. What the Railroads really want but have nor said it out loud yet is a ZERO man crew. Unless a job requires switching en-route, there is no reason to have a crew on freight trains. The tower operator in Ft. Worth (On in Bangalore--whats the difference) gives the train a green light and it makes the run in and out of sidings etc until it reaches its next yard point which could be 500 or 600 miles away. If a train goes down, it will stop until a crew gets out there to restore things. If some idiot crosses in front of the train you can just sweep up the remains and feed them to the lions in a near by zoo, because maned or unmanned, that trains isn't going to stop in time to make any difference to the hamburger driving the car.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 8 13:47:52 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 8 12:53:34 2019.* What the Railroads really want but have nor said it out loud yet is a ZERO man crew Then they'll have zero trains, because an unmanned train just invites criminals aboard. And deep in their souls, they know this.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 8 13:49:31 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by hhp664 on Fri Nov 8 10:59:42 2019.* Lots of lefties in government, just like lots of lefties running the railroads now (which is why they drove for consolidation into five big ones). But there's been talk like this for decades.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Fri Nov 8 16:11:30 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 8 12:53:34 2019.* "Unless a job requires switching en-route, there is no reason to have a crew on freight trains." How about "unplanned" switching? Happens from time to time. When a hot box detector detects a hot box & the car has to be set out at the nearest siding. How does a crewless train do that? One more little thing...crewless train goes into emergency & the train consist straddles a grade crossing or two. With no one around to cut up the train to resume auto traffic flow, now a town is tied up. God help the poor soul in an ambulance that can't get to the nearest hosp due to a train blocking the road. I wonder what his/her DC would read? Next train down the track would be a charter full of lawyers. You couldn't call them ambulance chasers because the ambulance is not moving a/c stuck by the train on the grade crossing!.
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Posted by randyo* on Fri Nov 8 18:30:15 2019, in response to Class 1 RRs "want" one man crew, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 8 09:58:28 2019.* Maybe the RRs could just cut down on the number of overpriced know nothing managers.
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Posted by 3-9* on Fri Nov 8 18:53:15 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 13:47:52 2019.* You think 2 people on a 100+ car train is going to stop criminals?
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob* on Fri Nov 8 19:56:01 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs ''want'' one man crew, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 8 18:30:15 2019.* That sounds like a capital idea.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Nov 8 21:12:27 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 8 12:53:34 2019.* I don’t understand the economics of crew reduction. Two men can move 200 containers, so each container requires 1/100 people. You save so little. In contrast, in trucking one man moves one container. So cutting that to zero merits huge investment in technology. But for trains, other investments seem more worthwhile, like double tracking to increase capacity ten fold.
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Posted by Dave* on Fri Nov 8 22:56:43 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 10:03:28 2019.* How is it fake news? It's not.
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Posted by Mr RT* on Sat Nov 9 09:15:58 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs ''want'' one man crew, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 8 18:30:15 2019.* There you go … no cuts to the friends 7 family at the top making six figures :-(
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 11:03:01 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 13:47:52 2019.* Yeah, sure. Their insurance premiums are lower than their labor costs. Steal Coal? Steal Ethanol? Steal Grain? Steal Lumber? Steal Cars? The only trains worth ripping on are Containers Trains. These are already steel boxes Many sit in a well and cannot be opened until lifted out. It is simple to make a contaainer car that can exclude theifs. ROAR
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 11:07:37 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 8 16:11:30 2019.* A train detector would "KNOW" to stop the train clear of crossings. BIE, yeah, that is an udder matter, but ground crews are not all that far away. certainly less than 100mi. Out in the middle of nowhere, the RR can have helicopters on a stand by charter basis. Youse guys are thinking "Cannot" others are thinking "why-not" Why-Not will always win, no matter how many objections you raise we will find a way around them. AND IT WILL BE A SAFER RAILROAD. ROAR
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 11:12:01 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 8 21:12:27 2019.* Labor is far more expensive than you think. Yes the RR always needs employees, but they do not need to sit on their ass for hours on end twiddling their joy-sitck. And wasn't there a Rear-end on the NS yesterday or the day before right there in PA? PTC will work, but by that cost is all added in the cost of going crew less is negligible. IF MY HO Railroad can do it, for damn sure the big boys can do it. ROPAR
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 11:35:03 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs ''want'' one man crew, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 8 18:30:15 2019.* Fewer managers means less obstruction to getting the work done.
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sat Nov 9 11:40:01 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:03:01 2019.* I was in the semi-trailer business for 23 years. The containers that sit in a well, cannot be opened, the rear doors cannot be opened far enough , it's a happenstance of the design when the box sits in a well.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Nov 9 12:02:21 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:03:01 2019.* LOL, who said "steal"? I said "criminals", and they don't universally have theft on their minds. Terrorists are criminals, and the more chaos and pain they cause, the better they like it; they can make insurance companies go belly-up just as quickly as the railroads.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Nov 9 12:03:32 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:12:01 2019.* Labor is far more expensive than you think No it isn't. Regulations and ambulance chasing are greater expenses than labor. And what do you ship on your HO-scale railway?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Nov 9 12:04:24 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:07:37 2019.* A train detector would "KNOW" to stop the train clear of crossings Hilarious. Train detectors do not operate trains.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 16:05:15 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 12:03:32 2019.* PEOPLE It is a subway layout. ROAR
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Nov 9 16:06:34 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 12:04:24 2019.* But once tripped the controller in Ft. Worth (or Bangalore) will stop the train and they will keep it clear of grade crossings, just like they do it now. ROAR
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Posted by randyo* on Sat Nov 9 17:01:54 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs ''want'' one man crew, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:35:03 2019.* Definitely, and the management structure of NYCT established by Gunn is a perfect example.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Nov 9 19:30:34 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 16:06:34 2019.* But once tripped the controller in Ft. Worth (or Bangalore) will stop the train How do you know?
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Nov 9 19:43:00 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs ''want'' one man crew, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 9 11:35:03 2019.* Now you are roaring sense.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sun Nov 10 10:08:56 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 19:30:34 2019.* Friends on the BNSF
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Nov 10 11:42:48 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:08:56 2019.* Telegraph, telephone, tell a railroader . . .
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Mon Nov 11 10:50:11 2019, in response to Re: Class 1 RRs “want” one man crew?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 10 11:42:48 2019.* No, he is the one who told me : )
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