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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:06:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:46:52 2019. No they aren't because he destroyed countless small businesses to build them. So now the people are corralled into Super Blocks, but the storefronts business that supported their families did not go with them.On a tiny scale, look at downtown Hicksville. State DOT decided in the early 1960's to widen all the roads. So half the downtown business on one side of the street were bulldozed. They have never recover from that. They didn't try that shit in Huntington or Old Northport. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:13:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:50:10 2019. Funny that Atlantic Beach - Point Lookout and Fire Island have always done just fine without Robert Moses. Parts of Fire Island have Dunes. That's what saved parts of them from Sandy. All done without Robert Moses fucking up everything.Take a satellite view of the entire stretch of Fire Island. There is no way you can run parkway down there without knocking down most of the houses in every settlement from Kismet to Davis Park. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 12:21:17 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:00:14 2019. You just hate Moses because he was Jewish. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 16 12:46:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:52:05 2019. By the 1930's, neither the IND, nor the Port Authority had any real interest in subway service on the lower level of the GWB. Ditto for the original 2 center lanes of the upper level, which were supposed to bring Public Service streetcars over the bridge. If you look at any of the proposed rail plans for the lower level, no routes had been really designed for the Jersey side. Back then, they were content with letting the Jersey buses terminate at 168th St & Broadway. Robert Moses also was not connected to the Port Authority of NY & NJ, so it did not concern him. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:49:44 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. I don't know if was a racist, but he was an asshole. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:50:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 00:13:20 2019. Apples and oranges. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:50:54 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019. iawtlp |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:52:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:53:00 2019. iaawtlp |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 16 12:53:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. George Washington bridge, Lincoln Tunnel, Columbus circle, and so on. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:54:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 12:21:17 2019. How would you know? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:59:50 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 12:21:17 2019. I don't care what race he was.Now why don't you take your moronic views on left-wingers that the blowhards that FOX taught you and head back to OT Board. And BTW, it TRUMP who said Charlottesville Nazis were among "good people". |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:00:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:49:44 2019. Definitely an elitest. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 16 13:01:46 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:00:55 2019. From what I heard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:04:43 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:59:07 2019. And so they didn't want a subway either. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:05:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 12:21:17 2019. Moses was a self-hating Jew. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:06:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:59:50 2019. No, he said that people who wanted to keep the traitor monuments were good people. And that's correct. They may want to venerate traitors, but they believe that it's preserving history. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:07:35 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 12:06:24 2019. Another one that didn't destroy the neighborhood.In fact, I'm now thinking that the Cross-Bronx is the exception, not the rule. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:12:37 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:06:11 2019. I don't believe the Lee monument theory for excusing Trump for that. Trump said "Good people on both sides", and that was about the Charlottesville violence. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 16 13:13:03 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:05:07 2019. He married an Episcopal woman and converted to it, before he died. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:15:25 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:05:07 2019. Jewish is terms of ethnicity or religion ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:16:51 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 16 13:13:03 2019. Right. If asked if he was Jewish, he would say he was Episcopal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:17:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:06:24 2019. No they aren't because he destroyed countless small businesses to build them.First, how could it possibly be countless? You know that there are maps from before the CBE was built so that you can literally count the businesses. But semantics and hyperbole aside, the Cross-Bronx runs mostly mid-block, so the impact on businesses would have been minor. In fact, The Power Broker goes into detail as to the number of residences destroyed (so obviously not "countless"), but makes scarce mention of businesses, probably due to the number being unimpressive. And there are no superblocks near the CBE in East Tremont. So no additional buildings were destroyed that were not in the way of the highway and its ramps, except elsewhere in the Bronx where the CBE destruction had no effect. On a tiny scale, look at downtown Hicksville. State DOT decided in the early 1960's to widen all the roads. So half the downtown business on one side of the street were bulldozed. They have never recover from that. They didn't try that shit in Huntington or Old Northport. Moses had nothing to do with that. That kind of thing was done all over the country. Meanwhile, there are plenty of downtowns that suffered no demolition but where nevertheless decimated by shopping malls. Your citing of Hicksville is a weird example as it looks to me that there are stores on both sides of the street and not an unusual number of vacancies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:21:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:13:10 2019. Funny that Atlantic Beach - Point Lookout and Fire Island have always done just fine without Robert Moses. Parts of Fire Island have Dunes. That's what saved parts of them from Sandy. All done without Robert Moses fucking up everything.By now all of Long Beach Island is man-made, it just predates Moses. Of course, the City of Long Beach charges for nonresidents to use the beach. Much of the rest of it is private beach. Bless Robert Moses for making beaches for the people of the State of New York. Excelsior! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:22:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:49:44 2019. Lots of admirable people were unfortunately also assholes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:22:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:50:26 2019. I agree. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:24:35 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:17:55 2019. https://untappedcities.com/2013/12/18/5-things-in-nyc-we-can-blame-on-robert-moses/https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.edu/berger17/2017/03/01/the-cross-bronx-expressway-was-it-worth-it/ https://blogs.baruch.cuny.edu/his3460fall2013/?p=217 "The building of this new highway system meant that over 60,000 residents would have to be uprooted and relocated to new areas. Most of these people lived in South Bronx. Moses led the white exodus out of the Bronx. Most of the white residents moved to either Westchester or Northern Bronx areas and other moved to small suburban houses being built around the Cross Bronx Expressway in New Jersey. The poorer residents who where given a meager $200 per room compensation were forced to move out and settle in new high-rise apartment buildings that were being built. These new behemoths had could include up to 1700 apartments per building. As a result of this mass relocation the economy of the Bronx suffered immensely. The South Bronx area lost over 600,000 manufacturing jobs. Youth unemployment rose to 40 percent and in some areas as high as 80 percent. The most devastating affect of the Cross Bronx Expressway took place when the newly built apartment buildings passed into the hands of slumlords. " |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:26:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:24:35 2019. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 13:27:23 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019. Damn son.Really letting your truth shine. However,you are correct more than you figured. Snowflake SJWs are armed to the teeth with righteous fury. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 13:30:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:37:27 2019. Yes. All he needed to do was create enough space between the two sets of travel lanes to allow subway trains to rise from the Queens Boulevard tunnel, run along the highway at grade and then go back down when the road reached the airport. Moses wouldn't even consider it because he hated the idea of anything competing with his roads. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:33:09 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:21:16 2019. Some of the Fire Island beaches don't charge you anything either.LIRR Beach packages have some great discounts. Train Fare, Taxi voucher, Ferry Voucher - no admission charge, and Robert Moses was told 60 years ago to get lost. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:33:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:26:11 2019. But true. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:35:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:04:43 2019. But some of them did. They still had to work for a living, but not turned into a highway boro. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 13:37:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 12:21:17 2019. Moses was Jewish by accident of birth and tried to hide the fact that he was Jewish. He was never circumcised (according to Robert Caro), did not have a bar mitzvah and had zero connection to anything or anyone Jewish. His two wives were Gentiles. He intentionally barred Israel from having an exhibit at the 1964-65 World's Fair and threatened to sue the publishers of a book of prominent Jews in New York City if they named him in the book. He refused to campaign in Jewish neighborhoods when he ran for governor in the 1930's.Anyone who hated Robert Moses for being Jewish really must hate Jews, because Moses was about as non-Jewish a Jew as anyone who ever lived. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 13:37:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:07:35 2019. Could be. At the very least it's the one that has suffered the slowest recovery. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 13:42:51 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:24:35 2019. I don't buy all that either. Those folks would have eventually left here anyway. This was not a beautiful area in the first place. It may have been solid but it was slummy |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:43:27 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:33:29 2019. It's not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:44:25 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:33:09 2019. Some of the Fire Island beaches don't charge you anything either.They charge for the ferry. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:45:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:35:18 2019. Wanting to keep it rural and wanting a subway is mutually exclusive. Which is it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:45:54 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 13:37:30 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:52:36 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:45:18 2019. Not really. Look at some of the northern outer reaches of the London Underground, or even CTA out to Wilmette over 100 years ago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:55:43 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 13:37:30 2019. "He intentionally barred Israel from having an exhibit at the 1964-65 World's Fair"What a lawsuit that motherfucker would have been in for today, especially in a city with many Jewish residents. They should have burned him in effigy even then. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:56:42 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:43:27 2019. Yeh it is. It's called a Post Mortem analysis. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:58:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:44:25 2019. They are privately run transportation like Hampton Jitney, not a charity. The ferry companies do not fund the communities. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:19:01 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:52:36 2019. The northern outer reaches of the London Underground are like that due to government interference: The Metropolitan Green Belt.The establishment of the Green Belt is why work on the Northern Heights Project on the Northern Line did not resume after the war and therefore why it has that stub to Mill Hill East from the High Barnet branch. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:20:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:55:43 2019. Lawsuit by whom? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:21:00 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:58:39 2019. Yes, but the bridges to Jones Beach are free. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:21:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:56:42 2019. Except that it's entirely fallacious, as I pointed out. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:22:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:21:00 2019. They are now. There used to be tolls at every entry point to Jones Beach, in both directions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:23:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 13:37:55 2019. Most of the South Bronx is not near the CBE and yet has not experienced much gentrification. Meanwhile, people drop millions on those new condos being built along the elevated BQE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:24:13 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:22:40 2019. Yes, you're right. That's how they got Sonny Corleone. |
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