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Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System? |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018 Only a Few People Know of It |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 20 21:32:51 2018, in response to Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018. Off-topic; get thee to Buschat.You slipped up on this one. Back to the drawing board. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Sep 21 09:39:37 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 20 21:32:51 2018. What do you expect from a teacher no less... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018, in response to Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018. Besides MTA unreliability, it depends on how many transfers are required for a trip between campuses to determine if this makes sense. I can't see why NYU buses would be needed for trips within Manhattan, but some trips may be too cumbersome to make MTA service practical.Kingsborough Community College also runs its own buses because the MTA service is too unreliable and too many students were arriving late because they had to wait 30 minutes for a bus that was due every five or ten minutes or because MTA buses were too crowded to pick everyone up. I wonder how many other institutions and companies have their own bus system. I remember in the 80s Apple buses ran a route from Downtown Brooklyn to Main Street which is now DUMBO for Social Security workers. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Sep 22 19:29:35 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. NYU residences are scattered all over, thy have a pretty extensive network, including a route to Brooklyn for Tandon School of Eng/Polytechnic at Metrotech.Columbia has buses,there was a thread a few months ago about the new ones they bought) St Johns has Saddle River Tours (to the other campus locations) Queens College has a couple of red school buses that do a shuttle to the LIRR Those come to mind, I'm sure there are others. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Sep 22 19:39:24 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Sep 22 19:29:35 2018. I just realized this is Sub Chat not Bus Chat, interesting topic, but I think we are the wrong side of the street... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 22 20:05:53 2018, in response to Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018. Lots of people know of it.I have suspicions that it is partly coddling of the students. In its defense, getting from Washington Square to the Medical School (1 Ave around 30th) by public transportation is not convenient. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 22 20:25:03 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 22 20:05:53 2018. at a more abstract level, MANY businesses, educational, medical institutions, provide students/staff shuttles either connecting to, or directly competing with public transit services--both rubber tire and steel rail. In rare instances, they have enough clout to get a transit agency to provide the service. "location, location, location"Not everyone can locate right next to a transit node. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sat Sep 22 22:57:28 2018, in response to Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018. Is this so unusual, though? A lot of institutions with facilities in scattered locations have some sort of internal bus or van shuttle system. In the instance most familiar to me (I worked for them for 41 years), the Social Security Administration has a scheduled van network connecting its Baltimore-area facilities, and even some “interurban” runs to Washington.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Sep 22 23:15:31 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 22 20:25:03 2018. My university was a great example of this - there was a local bus stop on campus, but only for one poorly-scheduled service; it was completely inadequate for many students' schedules.To fill the gaps, the university ran regular shuttles connecting the main campus to satellite locations, along with part-time shuttles into town and to local shopping centers. Between all of those options, I was able to get by without a car in the suburbs. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Sep 23 02:51:45 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. Brooklyn Navy Yard have their own bus to and from Atlantic-Barclays train station. I only ever see 1 or 2 people on it.Ikea in Brooklyn I know has or used to have a shuttle bus to various Court St-Borough Hall train station. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 23 05:28:45 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. The Princeton Dinky is an interesting service that NJ Transit occasionally talks about killing, but it survives because the community wants it there. I wonder if NJT will keep a couple of Arrows around to operate this branch when its new MUs arrive. I think the Dinky, a dedicated spur off the main line exclusively for a college, is unique in the U.S. today, but I'm willing to be corrected. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Sep 23 09:09:50 2018, in response to Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 20 20:55:31 2018. The Centre Line Loops at State College PA are run by the local transit authority, CATA (Centre Area Transportation Authority) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 11:31:42 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. It has nothing to do with reliability of the MTA. The reason private institutions with scattered locations have their own transit is to create DIRECT routes between the various buildings that run on a timetable conducive to student and faculty schedules. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 11:32:51 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 23 05:28:45 2018. It's not exclusively for the college. It also serves downtown Princeton, which is not on the main line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 11:49:23 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 22 20:25:03 2018. Look at Rutgers New Brunswick, which is sprawled ove ra large area far from downtown and into Parsippany. They have their own bus system. NJT bus service would be completely useless. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 11:49:42 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 22 20:25:03 2018. Look at Rutgers New Brunswick, which is sprawled ove ra large area far from downtown and into Parsippany. They have their own bus system. NJT bus service would be completely useless. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 11:50:02 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 11:49:23 2018. I means Piscatway |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Sep 23 13:17:00 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. Kingsborough Community College also runs its own buses because the MTA service is too unreliable and too many students were arriving late because they had to wait 30 minutes for a bus that was due every five or ten minutes or because MTA buses were too crowded to pick everyone up.I agree with you partially. Eastbound B1 buses arriving at KCC right before classes start are completely jammed leaving Brighton Beach Ave/Coney Island Ave, with large numbers of students boarding through the back door. But those who don't time their travel down to the last possible minute and get to the stop little earlier face a lot less crowding and don't need to let buses pass by. KCC has a new shuttle bus service from 36/4 and 59/4 marketed to students living in "Sunset Park, Red Hook, Park Slope, etc.," but wouldn't it be faster and more efficient for them to take the D/N to Stillwell and get the shuttle bus there? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 13:45:38 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. I can't see why NYU buses would be needed for trips within ManhattanHow do you propose to travel from Washington Square East and Waverly Place to First Ave and 31st Street in really lousy weather or if you have trouble walking long distances, using only MTA services? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 13:46:46 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 11:32:51 2018. Correct. Princeton, not including the college, is a decent sized place. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 13:49:10 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 11:31:42 2018. And poor transportation makes a college less competitive. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 13:55:24 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. The College of Staten Island runs buses between its campus and the Ferry. The buses look pretty nice.In the 1980s and early 90s, when they had 2 campuses (St. George and Sunnyside), they had a regularly scheduled bus between the two. Really beaten up Fishbowls they got from God-knows- where were used. Although the distance was not great, there was no direct MTA service between those locations. And even the indirect service that did exist was slow and loaded with intermediate stops (as is still the case). |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Sep 23 14:08:20 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Sep 23 02:51:45 2018. Yes, the Ikea shuttles (one route to Smith-9th and 4th/9th, another to Borough Hall) are very well patronized. They're quite a bit faster than the B61 to either destination.Ikea also has ferry service to Pier 11 which I believe is somewhat more unique. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 23 16:39:36 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 13:45:38 2018. Go on the website and look at the routes and schedules. NYU attracts students from all over the country (and the world) to a scatter site urban campus, including the former Polytechnic in Brooklyn, with residences scattered around the area. It is a top shelf institution, with top shelf pricing. Why not provide the service that takes away some of the fears out of towners might have about safety and security traveling around? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 16:42:38 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 23 16:39:36 2018. Go on the website and look at the routes and schedules.Why are you posting this as a response to my post? I gave an example of the more general point you are making. I have no interest in making a research project out of it. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 23 18:07:10 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Sep 22 19:29:35 2018. I remember Queens College providing shuttle bus service to both the Jamaica and Flushing LIRR stations during the 1966 transit strike, since for some strange Queens College was the only branch of CUNY that I was aware of that held remained open during the strike and held finals as well. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 23 21:03:06 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 23 18:07:10 2018. Now they have an on campus residence hall for just over 500. The 25 (25/34) now runs to Sutphin/Archer LIRR which is a big help, and the 88 was added along the service road. Those buses, as well as the 17, are packed with students. I've never seen the shuttles (red school buses) particularly crowded, although it is free for full time students, and reasonable for faculty, staff, and part timers.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 24 05:02:43 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 11:49:42 2018. You mean Piscataway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 24 05:03:57 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Subway System?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 24 05:02:43 2018. Sorry, didn’t see your correction. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Sep 24 14:42:20 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 22 18:54:08 2018. SUNY Stony Brook is another place with a bus service. Even though they have an enclosed campus, it's fairly large, and the buses take students to and from the Stony Brook station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 14:45:17 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Sep 24 14:42:20 2018. Don'; they also have to go out to the former Southampton College ?Dowling College was doing that between their 2 campuses, until they croaked a couple of years ago. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Sep 24 21:15:01 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 14:45:17 2018. City College has a shuttle as well, although it merged two routes into one loop. Uses two white school buses and some cutaways.Manhattanville College has a shuttle too, and it is operated by White Plains Co., same guys that do the Hutchinson Metro Center bus. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 25 00:37:44 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 14:45:17 2018. I don't know if they go out to Southampton College. I haven't been there in several years, at least. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 25 08:53:26 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 25 00:37:44 2018. It is listed with a current schedule on the SBU website. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 25 18:49:02 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 25 00:37:44 2018. Does Adelphi still have its own shuttle to the LIRR ? Nassau County bus service has never been very plentiful near it, unlike Hofstra U.Back in the 1960's, Dowling College belonged to Adelphi ("Adelphi Suffolk College") I have no idea if they ran a shuttle bus between them, though they do have a facility in an old public school building in downtown Sayville. Dowling College signs at Oakdale station are gone. There are signs for Amity Education, which is housed in the old LaSalle Military Academy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 25 18:50:27 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 25 08:53:26 2018. Yes "SBU". None of the 4 SUNY University Centers want "SUNY" as part of their name any longer. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 26 03:13:52 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 25 18:50:27 2018. Why not?? Is SUNY breaking up? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 14:56:43 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 26 03:13:52 2018. No, it's a status thing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 26 18:01:34 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 14:56:43 2018. Yep. They wanted "SUNY" it off their signage and stationary. In their minds, they do not want to be associated with stereotyped party schools like Cortland and Brockport.They are still happy to grab state grants and are part of the SUNY system, so I think it is rather offensive of them. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 19:08:32 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 26 18:01:34 2018. In essence there is a two-tier NY state university system - the University centers, and all the rest. Similar to California, where there are the UC schools - prestigious - and the lower-level Cal State schools. The difference is that in NY they were all called SUNY - now that seems to be changing. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 19:12:01 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 26 18:01:34 2018. In essence there is a two-tier NY state university system - the University centers, and all the rest. Similar to California, where there are the UC schools - prestigious - and the lower-level Cal State schools. The difference is that in NY they were all called SUNY - now that seems to be changing. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 26 20:20:48 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 19:12:01 2018. I think it's been a bunch of years already. I remember doing a double take the first time I saw "Binghamton University" or "Stony Brook University" and it's been quite a while. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Sep 26 20:29:25 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 26 19:08:32 2018. They don't "feature" it, but it is most certainly not eliminated.If you go to the Stony Brook website, right at the top it Says Stony Brook University, but immediately under that, in smaller letters, it says State University of New York. Identity is a big marketing thing for schools... |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Sep 27 02:40:10 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 26 20:20:48 2018. Khalil Mack, now with the Chicago Bears, went to Buffalo, so it was obviously SUNY Buffalo. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 27 08:28:28 2018, in response to Re: Why Does NYU Have Its Own Private Bus System?, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Sep 27 02:40:10 2018. UB is D-1, Buff State football is D-3 |
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