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Posted by heypaul on Thu Apr 12 19:57:48 2018 Forget About It |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018, in response to The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by heypaul on Thu Apr 12 19:57:48 2018. No amount of money pumped into the system will stop "unfit" passengers from getting onto trains who are going to get sick enroute delaying many train on the line.No amount of money pumped into the system will stop homeless/mentally ill passengers who ride the system all night, who are still riding in the rush, lying across multiple seats, from using pepper spray on paying passengers who ask for a seat. This is what happened at High St. this morning making a mess out of the IND. The cops held the train for 90 minutes. Most 12-9's don't take that long to clear up. There was no reason for that kind of delay, unless it took half the time for the cops to show up. These things will go on as long as homeless/mentally ill make a home out of these trains. No money pumped into the system will stop this. The worst thing EVER was the elimination of the transit police. I worked there, I saw the difference. Of course, this delay and the delay on the L where there were sick customers at 2 locations at the same time makes transit look bad, and with social media it's more pronounced as more passengers will complain. Police MUST get these people out. The courts and social agencies must "rule" in favor of the majority who just want to get from Point A to Point B. Transit must let the public know where there are major delays, which are the fault of transit and which are the ones they have no control over. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 12 21:32:16 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. I don't understand why people are so surprised at what's happening. They had a choice in last autumn's election, so now they have to live with the consequences. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Apr 12 22:27:00 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. "The courts and social agencies must "rule" in favor of the majority"Everyone here agrees with you (or 90% of us), but the PC crowd runs the show. The ACLU and their judges have the system tied in knots, intentionally. The people who do all this keep getting electing, the pragmatic people a city like NYC needs do not. "Social Justice" (which means making life miserable for ordinary people) is the new religion here, and many don't know that they are the brainwashed. The issue is far larger than anything one or three politicians can fix. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 02:43:25 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. No amount of money pumped into the system will stop homeless/mentally ill passengers who ride the system all nightMaybe if we put some more money into social services, we wouldn't need the subway to take up the slack. Police MUST get these people out. The courts and social agencies must "rule" in favor of the majority who just want to get from Point A to Point B. Or we could just declare it illegal to be poor and arrest them for something they have no control over. Yes, prisons are more expensive than houses, but it's worth it to inflict suffering on people who "deserve" to suffer. If the budget is an issue, maybe we could just kill them all. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 02:43:53 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 12 21:32:16 2018. They had a choice in last autumn's electionDid we really? |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Apr 13 02:52:02 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 12 21:32:16 2018. And what was this supposed other choice going to do about our homeless problem? Get em all jobs or ship em to Siberia? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:23:12 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. The 'homeless' need to be taken care of, and for that we require proper state hospitals. Once you get people cleaned up (physically and mentally) perhaps they can be merged back into society.FREEDOM OF CHOICE: Pick them up, bring the to the State Hospital and triage them. If they want help they can stay there, if they do not want help, but would rather go elsewhere, then facilitate that. If they are unable to make a legal decision, they stay until they are able to live on their own. Provide clean and respectable housing at such state hospitals, private rooms, three meals and a cot, laundry service, health care, perhaps some paid work at the facility. According to regulations each patient is given the MINIMUM amount of security needed to keep them and the population safe. When I did a nursing rotation at the State Hospital, there was one patient who needed complete lock down in a padded cell in the forensic unit. He was the only one, the rest of the population did well where they were placed. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 13 16:28:53 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 02:43:53 2018. YES!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Apr 13 17:07:44 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:23:12 2018. "When I did a nursing rotation at the State Hospital, there was one patient who needed complete lock down in a padded cell in the forensic unit. He was the only one"Here, there is a wide variety of people in the shelter system. Many of them are why the shelters are bad places, it's not the bricks in the building causing the problems. Other issues are caused by the staff, e.g. many (not all) of the guards who are hired behave like you'd expect from small time criminals. The proportion of people who want to clean up and have a straight sort of life is well under half, the proportion who want to and will stay that way is around 10%. There ARE a few decent people stuck in that system, but they are the exception and are despised by the regulars, staff included. Out where you are, it's probably manageable. Here, it's film noir, everything's corrupt and those running it like it that way. There's a lotta money in drugstance 'rehab', halfway, 3/4, 5/8 and .8251 houses* and overpriced city-paid shelter beds. The druggies don't want to go straight, that means showing up on time and following orders. TPTB don't want people leaving the system, that's bad for business. When you have a corrupt culture, you can't fix it by being helpful. *I invented the last two. There are some programs nobody talks about which provide free housing and a list of otherwise expensive bennies, but you can't be a straight-up type and get into them. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 20:48:27 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. Skells certainly are a major headache, but the police are very limited in terms of what they can do. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 20:54:50 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:23:12 2018. Most state hospitals are long gone. There used to be three on Long Island, Pilgrim State, Kings Park, and Central Islip. Each of them was basically a small city with thousands of patients in many buildings (and each had an LIRR spur).Kings Park and Central Islip have been closed completely for over 20 years. Pilgrim State is still open, but on a greatly reduced basis with no more than a couple hundred patients. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Apr 13 22:15:23 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 20:54:50 2018. But the need for those hospitals is greater, as drug used has increased and families who might have looked after the milder cases can't or won't do so now. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 22:17:50 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:23:12 2018. FREEDOM OF CHOICE: Pick them up, bring the to the State Hospital and triage them. If they want help they can stay there, if they do not want help, but would rather go elsewhere, then facilitate that. If they are unable to make a legal decision, they stay until they are able to live on their own.While mental illness is certainly a problem (in general, not specific to the homeless community), not all homeless people are mentally ill and it would not be appropriate to use hospitals as the primary mechanism for helping the homeless. Moreover, of the mental illness experienced by the homeless community, a substantial chunk of it is an effect of homelessness rather than a cause of it (eg, addiction, PTSD) and any treatment of that would require addressing the underlying problem of homelessness first. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 13 23:05:59 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 12 21:32:16 2018. Lol. Like this never happened before. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 14 08:16:38 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 20:54:50 2018. Trivia: Kings Park, which lent its name to a community and a still extant LIRR station was named after Kings County, from which its patients were sent. New York City patients went to Central Islip. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 14 08:23:36 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 13 23:05:59 2018. And as if electing a Republican would have solved the homeless problem. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 14 08:47:01 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 14 08:23:36 2018. Bo Dietl would have put them all on one-way buses to Buffalo. |
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Posted by bulk88 on Sat Apr 14 11:21:29 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 14 08:23:36 2018. Bloomberg would detain and fine all of them for taking up more than 1 seat or walking car to car (panhandlers). Since none of them will pay fines, on round 2 of taking more than 1 seat or panhandling its and arrest warrant and they go *poof* from the system. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 15 09:58:17 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 20:48:27 2018. I am well ware of that.Therefore they will continue to be the cause of delays, no matter who the NYCT president is, be it Byford or Gunn or Reuter or the best one you can think of or the worst one you can think of. I don't think train crews are still going out of their way to get the skells off the trains anymore. I see delays of "sick" passengers lately at relay points like Broad St, CTL and 179. Ever since that switchman at Church Ave. G got fired because of the guy recording him dragging the skell off the train and the last time I heard the TSS who was observing is fighting a demotion back to t/o, crews are no longer getting involved. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 15 10:09:30 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 02:43:25 2018. The bottom line is people want a reliable subway. As long as these people hang out in the subway they will be the cause of delays.Case in point of an incident yesterday morning just after 7AM @ 42/8. I had to meet friends at 8 AM and since I was early I was sitting on a bench on the northbound platform. Some crazy lady in a filthy pink coat with the hood up and tied around her head was walking up and down the platform talking to herself. She planted herself in front of me. A C train comes in. She stands in the doorway. Conductor waited, she's not moving. C/R closes and the R160 door starts "popping" because she's causing an obstruction. After a 1 minute delay she steps out, train leaves. E train comes in, she pulls the same stunt. Another R160 C comes in, again same stunt till she decides to ride that train. Those 1 minute delays add up. It could cause that delayed train to miss its' spot at a merging point making the train even more late. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 11:26:37 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 15 10:09:30 2018. Right. And the politicians' and media's magic solution of upgrading the "80 year old signals" will not fix this issue.While of course there are mechanical and electrical issues that have an adverse effect on subway performance, human behavior would seem to me to also have a very huge role in al the delays and breakdowns... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 11:28:11 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. No capital improvement program will fix problems like this. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sun Apr 15 11:31:49 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 11:26:37 2018. How well did the system run in 1940 or 1950? That was using those "antiquated" signals. Media loves to whine about stuff being 'outdated', but they never seem to demand replacing the Brooklyn Bridge.Or their ideology which dates to Rousseau, though some would say Lenin. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 15 14:32:28 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Apr 12 22:27:00 2018. Lol...Never amazes me to watch conservatives list the ills of society, talk about what should be done,and Every solution is based on selfishness. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 15 14:32:47 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Apr 12 22:27:00 2018. Lol...Never amazes me to watch conservatives list the ills of society, talk about what should be done,and Every solution is based on selfishness. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Apr 15 15:18:24 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 12 21:15:00 2018. I didn't see ONE mention in the article that any of the delays were caused by homeless or mentally ill passengers. Quiet a conclusion you jumped to there. And everyone replying to you didn't check your assertion either, but just went along with your assumption. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 18:15:14 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Steamdriven on Sun Apr 15 11:31:49 2018. As I pointed out in several posts, a number of the delays caused by “old” signals actually have taken place in areas where the signals are brand new. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 15 18:38:39 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 13 22:17:50 2018. "Addressing the underlying problems of homelessness first..."YES! That's what I'm talking about. Every one knows there is a problem..but is anyone going to present a solution worthwhile? Addressing the Root cause would be a step. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 15 19:18:31 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 18:15:14 2018. And the engineering of these new signals is causing the Queens corridor to not handle the trains efficiently. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 15 19:33:21 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by italianstallion on Sun Apr 15 15:18:24 2018. It wasn't in the article because they like to blame every delay on transit and none on the public.The reason for the delay was in the next days edition of AM New York. Plus I got this info (homeless guy taking up multiple seats and when asked by passengers to move someone was sprayed with mace with a 90 minute delay ensuing) from Facebook Transit employee only websites. I have been posting here (including SubTalk) since before the year 2000 and I do not make up information like those facts were. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 20:43:51 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 18:15:14 2018. Yep. Even I can see that many of the signal units are new. But reporters have latched on to this explanation. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 20:44:52 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 15 18:38:39 2018. I agree. But the subway cannot serve as a shelter. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 16 14:32:33 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 20:44:52 2018. It shouldn't for certain.That is one of the underlying problems that should be addressed. How do you accomplish removal I'm a humanitarian manner,and establish self reliance? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 16 14:32:58 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 20:44:52 2018. It shouldn't for certain.That is one of the underlying problems that should be addressed. How do you accomplish removal in a humanitarian manner,and establish self reliance? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 19:39:10 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 16 14:32:33 2018. Well, in the interests of being humane to all- both those who need help, and those who need to get someplace on time, I'd advocate a tough love approach.Specially trained cops will approach the desperate person, and offer him/her a choice: 1) We will take you to a program, right now. 2) If you don't want to go, we will make a judgment as to your ability to make that decision. 2a) If deemed competent, you'll have to leave the subway, at the next station- no arguments 2b) If deemed incompetent, we will take you to an appropriate program. I know this may seem tough- and it might get rough at times. That's unfortunate indeed. But those of us who need to get to work, the doctor, or to our families (we may have young children or elderly parents- or both- who need us) on time also have rights. A homeless person who's sprawled out, stinks, is yelling, or some combination thereof is infringing on the rights of everyone else- even if he can't help himself and has no ill-intent. For it to work, there have to BE programs. I do actually contribute to charities that help the homeless, and I have even given a few dollars here and there to those who seem to need it. I'm no genius, but I do attempt to be reasonably intelligent. Some problems have no easy solution. But I think that whatever solution we come with, we have to start with the premise that the subway cannot serve as a shelter. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 16 20:17:00 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 19:39:10 2018. Specially trained cops will approach the desperate person, and offer him/her a choice:1) We will take you to a program, right now. 2) If you don't want to go, we will make a judgment as to your ability to make that decision. 2a) If deemed competent, you'll have to leave the subway, at the next station- no arguments That you need to force them into the program proves that the program is insufficient or ineffective. Nobody chooses to sleep in the subway. But I think that whatever solution we come with, we have to start with the premise that the subway cannot serve as a shelter. We need to start with the premise that shelter is a fundamental right and anyone who has to sleep in the subway is being deprived of that right. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 20:28:00 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 16 20:17:00 2018. Well, I guess we'll just have to disagree then. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 20:32:15 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 16 20:17:00 2018. I'll also add a thought exercise. Have you ever had to deal with a loved one who was ill and could not recognize what was in his or her own interest? If so, you'll remember that sometimes steps had to be taken against their will.Yes, a person has a right to care and shelter. Nothing I said contradicts that. But a person with severe mental illness may refuse help precisely because he or she is ill.. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Apr 16 20:35:23 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 20:28:00 2018. You know that Geraldo Rivera, in his days at WABC, did an eye-opening series on the mentally disabled were warehoused at places like Willowbrook on Staten Island. That series got him noticed by major networks and caused places like that to be shut down.Hate to say it, but it's time to reopen places like that and but the mental cases back there and off our mass transit to stop using them as shelters. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 17 07:19:05 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Apr 16 20:35:23 2018. Hate to say it, but it's time to reopen places like that and but the mental cases back there and off our mass transit to stop using them as shelters.You might want to do a little research into what Willowbrook was before you suggest it should be reopened. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 17 07:27:41 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 20:32:15 2018. I'll also add a thought exercise. Have you ever had to deal with a loved one who was ill and could not recognize what was in his or her own interest? If so, you'll remember that sometimes steps had to be taken against their will.Homeless does not imply mentally ill. Mentally ill does not imply incompetent— and that's something a lot of people need to do a better job of remembering. Your analogy is irrelevant. Yes, a person has a right to care and shelter. Nothing I said contradicts that. Your proposal that homeless people should be arrested or arbitrarily kicked out of the subway based on a cop's random decision as to their "competence" tends to suggest otherwise. But a person with severe mental illness may refuse help precisely because he or she is ill. Except that most homeless people don't have severe mental illness. If you ignore mental illnesses caused by homelessness itself, they're not substantially more likely to have any mental illness than the population as a whole. If homeless people refuse help, it's because the "help" is ineffective or counterproductive— being sent to a "shelter" where conditions are terrible is not preferable to just sleeping in the subway. Mental illness is a serious health concern, not a convenient label you can use to other people you don't like. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 17 07:31:02 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 16 19:39:10 2018. I know this may seem tough- and it might get rough at times. That's unfortunate indeed. But those of us who need to get to work, the doctor, or to our families (we may have young children or elderly parents- or both- who need us) on time also have rights. A homeless person who's sprawled out, stinks, is yelling, or some combination thereof is infringing on the rights of everyone else- even if he can't help himself and has no ill-intent.So a person who is (a) riding the trains aimlessly, (b) takes up a bit more space than a traditional commuter, and (c) has questionable hygiene according to the random judgement of a random passerby is "infringing" on the rights of everyone else? You might want to be careful with that considering where we are.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 17 08:49:40 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 12 21:32:16 2018. Yep! I agree. The stupid people in this city did not vote for Malliotakis. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 17 08:54:59 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 17 07:31:02 2018. A) No.B)& C) Yes. |
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Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 17 09:04:16 2018, in response to The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by heypaul on Thu Apr 12 19:57:48 2018. Okay, way back in the days of the black patch pre-merge New York City Transit Police Department, the three Police Districts that were located in Manhattan all had this special in-house detail, named Good Morning America. It was basically a detail of cops, usually senior men, who's sole purpose was to wake up and roust all of the skells who was sleeping on the benches, on the subway cause, and in the passageways or any other place where they were in the way of the paying riding public for rush hour. From what I heard it was an easy gig, you woke them up and either they got on the next train out of the station to Parts Unknown, or they went upstairs and it became someone else's problem, or if they wanted to go to the shelter, the New York City Transit Police Department had its own homeless Outreach unit which had vans with coffee and donuts in them and they drove the skells to the shelter. When rush hour ended, the cops just had to write out a few TAB summonses and that was it. The whole system worked wonderfully until the merge of 1995. Remember, we don't live in Calcutta, we don't want to see and smell and hear the rantings and ravings of skells. Anyway, a program like that needs to come back again. |
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Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 17 11:33:54 2018, in response to Re: The Subways Melted Down Real Good (Again) This Morning, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 17 09:04:16 2018. I meant 4 Police Districts. |
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