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Re: Interesting Article on World's Fair Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 23 14:49:06 2018, in response to Re: Interesting Article on World's Fair Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 19:37:44 2018. Years ago, when the late trainmaster George Abere was a M/M on the Rockaway Division, he encountered a car that lacked the Rockaway destination but as he scrolled through he found “Fulton-Rockaway Ave” so he set the sign for that. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 23 19:35:10 2018, in response to Re: Interesting Article on World's Fair Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 23 14:49:06 2018. That's a bit odd. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 23 19:37:39 2018, in response to Re: Interesting Article on World's Fair Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 23 07:35:49 2018. If you're referring to The Illustrated Encyclopedia of New York City Subway Rollsigns and Ancillary Items, I have that book - in color! Volume 1, anyway. Cost me $300.00 but well worth every penny. |
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3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018, in response to Re: Interesting Article on World's Fair Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Express Rider on Mon Mar 19 05:08:06 2018. A former Subchatter, driven away by my imbecilic posts, sent me the following three photos of the 1939 fairgrounds taken by a drone.11610 11594 11616 |
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Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Mar 23 23:16:42 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. The Art Deco design of the IND station can be quite clearly seen in the last photo. Nice! |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Mar 24 01:48:30 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. No drones. Helicopter. |
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Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 24 07:57:12 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Mar 24 01:48:30 2018. No drones. Helicopter.Not in 1939. It was either a plane or a blimp. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Mar 24 11:03:05 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 24 07:57:12 2018. You forgot Flying Saucers. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 24 11:33:06 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. That area where Toilet Bowl I was and Toilet Bowl II is now was a parking lot then. |
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Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Mar 24 11:48:33 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 24 11:33:06 2018. Those lots were a legacy of the fair that lasted until Shea was built - one of the first park and ride lots ever, I believe.. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 24 15:20:57 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. Thank you- all good pics. I appreciate you sharing them. But I think only the last one shows the IND station...The second one shows the LIRR station. which was interesting in its own right... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 24 15:55:52 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. Great aerial photos! Thanks so much for posting.You can enlarge with the zoom feature, or with a little plus or minus icon that appears over the image as well. When enlarged with the zoom feature, even up to around 300% the details are still pretty clear. The resolution if you enlarge them is quite good. Taken originally with fine grain film maybe? Below the entrance/fare control area(?) of the IND, is a road and busses. These look as though they were intra-fairgrounds busses transporting people around the fair (perimater?) with one stop at the IND? Looks as though too, this would mean there were stairways into the terminal from below where the bus stop was as well. Nice overhead photos of the LIRR terminal, and the Corona yard. |
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Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 24 16:17:34 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Mar 24 11:48:33 2018. IINM Walter O'Malley was offered that very same site and turned it down. Guess he didn't like the idea of the Dodgers playing in Queens. |
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Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Mar 24 17:28:17 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 24 16:17:34 2018. Well, that was O'M's stated reason. One reason that I have always felt, is that O'Malley was not the kind of guy to be someone's tenant - especially not the City....There's literally been fifty billion words written on the subject, and anything we can say on it here won't clear matters up anymore -BUT - it can probably be boiled down to this: I think O'Malley truly believed in his Dodgerdome initially - until his bean counters quietly told him that, at least in 1955 or whatever, it was still a reach technically and financially to do. Meanwhile the Braves had moved to Milwaukee, and were starting to draw over 2 million a year there, and O'M was scared they would be able to build their farm system to be better than the Dodgers' system. Plus California was just sitting there, a rich market just waiting for the picking. So O'Malley continued to feign interest in the domed stadium, started to prepare himself for a possible California move, and make noises about whatever Moses had plans for in Queens. (He also knew it could be a good chance to make Moses and whomever was mayor took REAL bad, too) O'Malley knew SOMEBODY was going to go into L.A., and was determined he was going to be the one, once he made his mind up tp do it. I SORT of feel bad about some of those kids - and adults - who got a much needed life lesson on the realities of business and politics too.. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 18:25:51 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 24 16:17:34 2018. Yep. His sarcastic & mean spirited reaction to the Flushing Meadow proposal was "Heck, if they want me to move to Flushing, I might as well move to Los Angeles." |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 24 19:14:16 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 18:25:51 2018. MLB pioneered the extortion of stadium funding from cities for the major gladiatorial sports. IMHO the only legit team in the majors (MLB,NFL,NBA etc) is the Green Bay Packers--which is a socialist operation. It is long past time to apply the RICO statutes to major league sports and turn the tables on the "owners" be they O'Malley or Davis (Raiders) Sports venues generate transit use and often become venues for large music and other entertainment shows.ave imperator morituri te salutant |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 19:52:58 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 24 19:14:16 2018. You're applying 2018 logic to a 1957 situation. I don't see how O'Malley could get caught up in a RICO beef if RICO regs were on the books then. However, in O'Malley's case, he originally wanted to stay in Brooklyn & build a ballpark over the Atlantic Ave LIRR/TA complex. Moses & Wagner said no. To many families would be uprooted via eminant domain. That was given as the reason. Today, where O'Malley wanted a new ballpark is where the Barkley Center sits. "ave imperator morituri te salutant" Forgive me, my Latin is a little rusty. Could you translate? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 24 20:58:36 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 19:52:58 2018. Hail, emperor, we who are about to die salute you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 21:31:01 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 24 20:58:36 2018. Thanks. |
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Posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 24 22:42:03 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 24 15:55:52 2018. Glad you like the photos. Many thanks go to the lapsed poster here who sent me the photos and the link to the Hagley search engine |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sun Mar 25 12:34:58 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 24 11:03:05 2018. And autogyros.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Mar 25 13:05:08 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 24 19:52:58 2018. There is this misconception that Barclay Centre is on the location the pos O'Malley wanted to build his ballpark. Actually it is several blocks away. O'Malley wanted to build his park where the LIRR terminal is with the train yards on Atlantic Avenue serving as a parking lot. But the one short coming the site had and still has is the lack of highway access. As that part of the infrastructure of Brooklyn hasn't changed all that much since 1957, how would all the cars get into that area. As much as I despise Robert Moses who was a poor excuse for a human being, in this instance he was probably right. It wasn't so much Flushing that dissuaded O'Malley, it was the irresponsible offer of the city government of Los Angeles that saw the $ signs dancing in his eyes. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Mar 25 13:11:03 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Mar 24 17:28:17 2018. One thing to note however. The Brooklyn franchise was still making more money than anybody else in baseball. How I hear you cry. The Dodgers had by far the most lucrative radio-tv contract in baseball; even more lucrative than the Yankees. The Dodgers televised all home games and 2/3 of their road games on channel 9 plus the pre and post and radio rights on 1050 plus the pre and post. Since the Yankees and Giants had to share channel 11, you can see why Dodger tv rights were much more valuable. j So the Milwaukee argument is simply not true. |
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Posted by teddmann on Mon Mar 26 10:13:27 2018, in response to 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 23 23:04:35 2018. Thanks for posting!! For the record, I wasn't driven away by your posts! :-) |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 26 10:24:30 2018, in response to Re: 3 Aerial Photos of 1939 Fairgrounds Showing Subway Station...Re: Railroad to 1939 NY World's Fair, posted by teddmann on Mon Mar 26 10:13:27 2018. "Thanks for posting!! For the record, I wasn't driven away by your posts! :-) "Welcome back!! Thanks for sending me the link to Hagley search engine, I've been having fun with it. I like to think that my posts here are causing droves of people to flee. Once everyone is gone, I'll have the place to myself. |
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