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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 24 01:51:39 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 22 18:27:55 2017. I don't remember that one at all. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 24 01:52:09 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 19:11:09 2017. Thankyou Dutch |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 24 07:24:42 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Dec 24 00:03:56 2017. I agree! My first car was a five-speed stick. You'll be surprised at the number was so-called men who don't know how to drive a stick shift or riding motorcycle. I have my motorcycle license, I've had it for decades. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 24 09:54:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Dec 23 21:50:28 2017. In ND, most drivers on the interstate will move to the left if they see that you want to merge.When I enter the highway, I look upstream to see where the traffic is, and I will then know if I can zip on or will need to merge. When you get to the bottom of the acceleration lane you should be doing highway speed (75mph) and you will slip right in. If you are going slower, prepared to stop if you cannot fit an opening, then you are the problem and deserve to run out of runway. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 24 10:05:55 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 23 22:14:55 2017. LIONS do not like driving on icy roads.NEVER use cruise control on ice. Problem is you are on dry pavement tooling along at 79 mph and then the road becomes icy without your being aware of it. Opps too late, off to the ditch you go. And NEVER crowd a snow plow. Never enter the white out caused by the plow, for you do not know which lane the plow is in. And now North Dakota has some super plows which can clear both lanes at once. Can you see a problem developing here. No matter which lane you think is clear, you are wrong. The super plow, usually in the right lane, but he can run in the left, has a trailer that is in the next lane with its own plow down and clearing the road. If you cannot see what it is, do not enter the snow cloud. You will loose as surely as if it were a grade crossing with the gates down. The plow will pull over every fifteen minutes or so to let people by. ROAR |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 24 12:14:57 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 24 09:54:23 2017. What if you reach highway speed and are side-to-side with a car in the through lane (due perhaps to that other car not caring about you or unexpectedly changing speed)? If in doubt, I stop and wait (rarely. . .maybe once a year that might happen to me). |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 24 13:30:41 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 24 12:14:57 2017. Details |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 24 14:53:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 23 16:07:14 2017. The only problem I can see coming in is where the C/R is not actually in the cab with the engineer. Several cars back, how would the C/R know if the train is speeding unless it is going significantly faster than the speed limit? Although I can agree that 80 MPH as opposed to 30 is significant enough to be noticed, would 51 MPH over 40 MPH be that noticeable? |
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Posted by Alm on Sun Dec 24 15:08:19 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 24 14:53:23 2017. 51 over 40 would not be fatal. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 15:19:07 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 24 00:03:49 2017. +1, but only if the lane is ending (such as an entrance ramp or highway losing a lane). There was a TED talk that said 'yield' and 'merge' signs should change to something like 'take turns' to make it obvious that each lane sends one car into the combined lane.That said, if it is an entrance ramp which becomes an exit ramp, this becomes murky - generally you don't want someone at the splitting point blocking all the exiting traffic. Also, people forcing into a single exit lane from the right lane end up needlessly jamming up the actual road. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 24 15:54:05 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 24 14:53:23 2017. "Several cars back, how would the C/R know if the train is speeding..."In passenger service, a seasoned conductor would know when his train is going too fast. If they couldn't raise the engineer on the IC, the would just go & pull the cord. When I first started commuting back in 1986 I met a few old time PC/CR conductors who said that they did just that. It was a rare occurance, but they weren't afraid to step up. I dare say that if one of those high seniority conductors was aboard that MN train that wrecked in Spuyten Duyvil, he would have sensed that the train wasn't braking where it should, pulled the cord & that wreck just might have been prevented. Something we'll never know. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 24 16:01:33 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 15:19:07 2017. "Yield" isn't the same as "Take turns."Yield means you don't get to alternate merge, though of course if traffic is really congested that's what people do. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 16:05:02 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 24 16:01:33 2017. In some cases a take turns sign is more appropriate than a yield sign. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 16:18:52 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 24 15:54:05 2017. I dare say that if one of those high seniority conductors was aboard that MN train that wrecked in Spuyten Duyvil, he would have sensed that the train wasn't braking where it should, pulled the cord & that wreck just might have been prevented. Something we'll never know.I'm more surprised at the Hoboken accident. Every conductor who's ever worked Hoboken should know the speed to come in on the platform... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 24 16:54:02 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 16:18:52 2017. Lack of trainingThis is possibility , but we'll wait for the official report. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 24 17:14:49 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 24 16:54:02 2017. I fooled around with the Google Earth Map, around the crash site, Dupont,WA., and scrolled up and followed the train tracks. It "appears", the line was fairly straight for a while before the crash, just some slight curves.Do you guys agree? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 24 17:59:18 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 16:18:52 2017. Very true. Excellent point! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 24 18:35:08 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 15:19:07 2017. In the case of an entrance lane becoming an exit lane, or a lane leaving the highway, the location of the stop is actually irrelevant. If you stop at the earliest point, you're blocking traffic behind you from being able to find a place to merge, although you are opening the lane to exiters. If you merge later, you might block an early exiter, but you also allow someone else behind you to find a gap that wasn't available to you.The solution is to look for someone signaling an exit and yield to them, then use the resulting gap. Even if the asshole behind them accelerates into the gap, there's a new gap behind them. This requires that cars actually signal their exits. Cars should be able to detect turns and lane changes and if you fail to signal, should give you a really annoying error sound. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 19:35:50 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 15:19:07 2017. I always thought the car on the main highway lane has the right of way over cars entering from a ramp. Is that wrong? That said, in the past I recall seeing seeing some entrances where the signs said "alternate merge," i.e., "take turns." |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 19:58:51 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 24 18:35:08 2017. The solution is to look for someone signaling an exit and yield to them, then use the resulting gap.Yup, or vice versa. If the person behind me to the left is signalling to exit, or to the right and signalling to enter, we just do a quick swap. There's a bit of trust involved because pretty much everyone is too close to other cars while the swap is occurring... Cars should be able to detect turns and lane changes and if you fail to signal, should give you a really annoying error sound. I think the new luxury cars with "lane departure warning" actually do this, though the purpose isn't to enforce lane signalling so much as determining if a lane line is beneath the car and if there isn't signalling going on, something is wrong. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:00:29 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 23 18:59:04 2017. Actually, waiting till the last possible moment to merge is the least efficient way.link |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:04:51 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 07:30:38 2017. Not according to ND vehicle code 39-10-08(2):Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn in an intersection or into a private road or driveway. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 20:12:53 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 19:35:50 2017. I always thought the car on the main highway lane has the right of way over cars entering from a ramp.It does, but when traffic is thick enough following this strictly will result in the entrance lane never being able to enter, possibly backing up onto an unrelated highway, causing chaos. Also on a related note, if the guy on the main highway is going about the same speed as someone on the entrance ramp who is ahead of him, he should slow a bit (or move left one lane, if possible) to let the guy entering in. It makes things easier for everyone. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:18:44 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 20:12:53 2017. Yes, I agree. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Dec 24 21:04:27 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 24 07:24:42 2017. My first car was a 4 Speed Rabbit, and every car since has been a 5 Speed. I don't count my 01 VR6 Jetta, which is auto because it is getting converted to 5 Speed. My other two VW's are 5 Speed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 24 22:55:07 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:00:29 2017. That article says the opposite. And it's articles like this that I've read. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 24 23:01:17 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 10:28:45 2017. So? The engineer is in charge of the engine and the train ain't moving without one. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 23:02:29 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 24 22:55:07 2017. Ugh, yes! I meant to type MOST efficient. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 25 01:01:13 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:04:51 2017. OWN3D |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:15:32 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 24 10:05:55 2017. I won't use cruise control when the road is so much as wet for any reason. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:23:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 24 12:14:57 2017. It takes skill and experience to not put yourself in that situation.As I said, Germans know how to drive; Americans do not. All too many Americans are also too stupid and lazy to turn on their head and tail lights in the 1st half hour after sunset. I see it every night driving home. That means they cannot see their dashbaord gauges either, so must be too stupid and lazy to monitor that as well. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 25 09:16:28 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:15:32 2017. LOL! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 25 09:18:29 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:23:23 2017. I think you're wrong. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 25 09:52:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 19:35:50 2017. I would say that in the absence of any modifying signage, you always have the right of way in your lane over other cars not yet in that lane, and that would also apply to the through lane on a highway. But since as was previously pointed out such a situation could result in cars in the entering lane never having a chance to merge (if no clearing ever opened), it may be better to have either "merge" or "take turns" signs in spots, or else to come up with a new "universally" understood policy for what should happen on highway merges without modifying signage. Because there is no law against deliberately preventing others from merging into the lane you're in. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 25 12:25:46 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 24 12:14:57 2017. I do not let that happen.There is no 'what-if' about it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 25 12:29:14 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:23:23 2017. Head lights on vehicle(s) of LION are automatic and always on.LION adjusts the side mirrors to see what is NEXT to him, not what is behind him. Him got rear view mirror for that. Besides LION already knows what is color of car of him. If you can see your car in the wing mirror, then it is not adjusted correctly. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 25 13:11:28 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 24 20:04:51 2017. So... Any vehicle operating at highway speed may operate in either lane as much as they like.LION has NEVER been stopped although he passes the HP while riding the left lane all of the time. HP typically drives well under the speed limit, this way they get to see more drivers than if they ran at the speed limit. Or else they just stop and watch. They do a lot of that and can monitor drivers in both directions for hours. ROAR ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 25 13:53:08 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:23:23 2017. My dashboard gauges are brighter when the lights are off. And it was like that with other cars that I’ve driven that were manufactured in this century. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 25 15:37:33 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 25 09:52:23 2017. Because there is no law against deliberately preventing others from merging into the lane you're in.That said, there is the law of physics :). If I can move my car to occupy that space before the other person can, who had the right of way ceases to matter, guy on main road must brake or we both spend a lot more time on the side of the road than either of us were planning... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 25 16:27:32 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 24 20:12:53 2017. Also on a related note, if the guy on the main highway is going about the same speed as someone on the entrance ramp who is ahead of him, he should slow a bit (or move left one lane, if possible) to let the guy entering in. It makes things easier for everyone.Apparently, that's not something everybody accepts, since I witnessed one driver complain loudly when our car, which was slightly ahead of his, had to merge into his lane, forcing him to slow down. :-S |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 25 16:31:21 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 25 16:27:32 2017. He was right according to the law. You were expected to yield, and you didn't. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:12:07 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 25 07:15:32 2017. I use cruise control, but on my car, if you step on either the brake or the accelerator, the cruise control shuts down and has to be reset for a new speed if I want to. On my car yo put the cruise control switch on and when you reach the desired speed, you press the “set” button and leave it until you change speeds the way I described. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:14:35 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 25 12:29:14 2017. I try to keep my wing mirrors so that I see most of what is alongside of me and just enough of my own car in case my rear view mirror is blocked by passengers in the back seat. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:15:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 25 13:53:08 2017. I can adjust the brightness of my dash lights even when the headlights are on. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 25 18:02:31 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:12:07 2017. That's strange. Every car I've ever driven has had a resume button that goes back to the old cruising speed, and pressing the accelerator and then releasing it returns to the old cruising speed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 25 18:03:56 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:15:23 2017. That too, but when the lights are off, the gauges are at maximum brightness. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 25 18:59:52 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 25 16:27:32 2017. Depends what you mean by slightly. If your entire car was in front, he should not have expected anything else. If he was forward of your rear bumper... well that's a situation I refuse to allow myself to end up in on either side of the equation (if I'm merging I will find another spot, if I'm the one being merged into (and he is signalling) I will brake. If he is not signalling, however, I can be a huge dick. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 25 19:36:25 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 25 17:14:35 2017. The "rule," as taught to me the AAA safety course, is keep your side mirrors as far out that you can see cars approaching your rear. You should not be able to see any of your own car. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 25 19:44:20 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 25 19:36:25 2017. Bad idea. You should see just enough of your own car in the side view mirror to make sure there is no blind spot you're not seeing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 25 20:07:55 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 25 19:44:20 2017. I disagree. That's a recipe for a big blind spot. |
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