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New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 14 19:29:57 2017 New paint scheme |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sat Oct 14 19:45:48 2017, in response to New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 14 19:29:57 2017. Mostly harmless. I prefer it to the "Mr. Blobby" livery on the present Acela stock, anyway.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:12:55 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Alan Follett on Sat Oct 14 19:45:48 2017. Kind of bland. A dreary shade of blue, like Greyhound. |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 21:47:19 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:12:55 2017. Worlds better than current one (unpainted steel with blotches of color). |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:16:48 2017, in response to New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 14 19:29:57 2017. When a railroad keeps changing its paint scheme (blowing money on new designs for it that could be used for other things), something is wrong.And they really, really need to drop that stupid name "Acela" once and for all. Bad enough the "Regionals" used to be called "Acela Regional". (And of course, there were the lamented Clockers that never got to become "Acela Commuter".) |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:18:05 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Alan Follett on Sat Oct 14 19:45:48 2017. I'd rather see the pinstripe of the PRR on there. I guess the "tribute" phase is now gone, though; and the only railroad Amtrak ever pays tribute to is itself, hence the "bloody nose" and locomotives painted in other "phases". |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 22:19:16 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:16:48 2017. ..? The cars aren't built yet. The "design" is a ~$50k/yr graphics designer spending an afternoon slapping some virtual paint on a 3d model. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:22:34 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:16:48 2017. Sorry, "Acela" has caught on. Newsmen refer to the route as the Acela Corridor. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:22:42 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:12:55 2017. Funny how Greyhound takes the "grey" in the name too literally. (Never mind the component "grey" being a false etymology in "greyhound", with some theories postulating the root of that component is in old Celtic words meaning "bright".) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 22:23:51 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:22:34 2017. Metroliner's a much cooler name. Plus it has the word Liner in it, akin to Superliner and Viewliner. |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:31:28 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 22:19:16 2017. Do we know that for sure? Especially given the rates that the firms would charge the government.And I wasn't talking about the the trainset. But since we are now, I can't stand the name "Avelia Liberty" name either; sounds like the name of a cheap automobile built in an obscure "developing" or former eastern bloc country. The images look suspiciously like the TGV anyhow, since they have those articulated trucks joining the cars. BTW, does this image seem to depict trapdoors to you? I'd sure like to see that on the new trains; it'd mean that it could use the low platforms at Washington Union Station, and possibly be used elsewhere in the country that might be electrified and upgraded for high speed.  |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Oct 15 02:01:50 2017, in response to New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 14 19:29:57 2017. Awesome! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:47:18 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 21:47:19 2017. I'd have a let an artistic 4th grader come up with something, but there is no doubt in my mind Amtrak paid a design firm a million dollars to come up with that, as they did with Acela blobs, which at one time was splattered on Amfleet. I even ride such a car substituted on the Lake Shore Ltd out of Chicago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:48:29 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 22:23:51 2017. Amtrak still owns the Metroliner trademark. One or two cars have that name on them to retain it. I'd have called it "Acela Metroliner". |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 15 08:41:06 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:48:29 2017. If the trains are reliable and run on time, and the interiors are kept clean and have the comforts and amenities that business travelers expect, other than the folks like us on these types of forums, the majority of people who will actually ride them don't care what they are called, and what silly livery gets applied. The train pulls in, they pile on and off. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Oct 15 11:30:27 2017, in response to New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 14 19:29:57 2017. Needs more flames, and a few skulls |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 15 11:52:14 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:31:28 2017. It looks like there is a piece that was extended out from beneath the car floor to actually touch the platform, leaving no gap. Good for people in wheelchairs, or simply people too distracted to "watch the gap". But if so, the mechanism for that would probably preclude the possibility of having trapdoor stairs for low platforms. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 11:59:47 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 15 11:52:14 2017. Doesn't have to, of course. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 12:00:09 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Oct 15 11:30:27 2017. Best post yet. Thread over. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 13:19:08 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 15 08:41:06 2017. If the trains are reliable and run on timeThey haven't run as fast as was claimed since 1969 (160 mph). That's almost 49 years. And I don't expect anything to change any time soon either. Never mind the fares blowing up way beyond inflation levels—Metroliner fare from WAS to NYP was $12.75 in 1969, which is equivalent to $87.17 in 2017 dollars; Acela fares blow up as high as $289 one-way, which is 332 percent higher (unless you luck out and get the $89 Acela Saver fare). |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 15 13:37:08 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 13:19:08 2017. They have achieved a very high percentage of capture of the available traffic over that period of time, and reasonably high load factors. Price against inflation is hardly relevant to the target audience of this particular set of trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 13:59:51 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 15 13:37:08 2017. Not as high as they could have. The fare they're charging now for the Acela would have bought the equivalent of a royal suite a half a century ago.Not to mention that they're claiming that they want to increase "Acela" service to hourly from bi-hourly. The Regional service is $185 one-way, which is 212 percent higher than the original Metroliner fare adjusted for inflation too. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Oct 15 14:08:26 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 12:00:09 2017. I stole it from a Mystery Science 3000 bit, so I can't take full credit.But flames on a bullet train would be something. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 15 15:09:25 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 13:19:08 2017. yield management. the persons who created that vision have a special seat in hell if there is any justice.And,yes you are correct about the speed isue. If memory serves, the Metroliner test record speed was 160.xx and Acelas managed 5 mph more in test. The vaunted 2 hr DC-NYC non stops never acheived reliable time keeping when they were Metroliners, and Acelas don't have a stellar OTP # either. Sadly, despite the obvious high discretionary earnings of the typical Acela rider (given ticket prices), Amtrak has yet to evolve the coffee/p[astry offerings to the Peets/Starbucks/Au Bon Pain level of quality. Unimaginative desk jockeys ! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 15 15:12:09 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 15 15:09:25 2017. And a thought about paint, bare stainless with a Tuscan letterboard stripe and imitation gold lettering, seems right to me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 23:36:19 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:47:18 2017. Ah yes, the blobs. Supposedly to denote "Acela Regional".And we're still stuck with the "three sheets to the wind" logo from the same era. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 16 00:30:41 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 22:22:42 2017. Which old Celtic root is also the precursor of the word "grey", lol. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 16 21:36:30 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 23:36:19 2017. Three blue sheets to the wind looks a lot like Sprint's five yellow sheets to the wind, too...The pointless arrow, while looking better, had an unfortunate connotation to the nickname. So at this point any logo change would result in a million dollar board room meeting. So, meh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 00:59:26 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 16 21:36:30 2017. The pointless arrow, while looking better, had an unfortunate connotation to the nicknameAnd who really knew the nickname? I never heard it until I connected with the railfans online. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:03:13 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 16 00:30:41 2017. You don't seem to be able to read.I said the "grey" in greyhound is not related to the color grey; it comes from Old English "grighund", with the "grig-" component theorized to come from Norse or Celtic words that mean "bright" or "fair" (even Gaelic "grian" for "sun" is theorized to be related), rather than the color "grey", which came from Anglo-Saxon graeg and is related to Germanic grau. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:04:19 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:22:34 2017. Sorry, "Acela" has caught onNo it hasn't. Come up with a better name and it'll be forgotten. You really think that because the press uses it that it's "caught on"? You're a little sicker than Nilet and Terrapin if so. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:04:59 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:48:29 2017. Dump the "Acela" already.Bring back PRR name trains, even. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Oct 17 01:36:17 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:04:59 2017. I liked the PRR names. Mom: we are going to Baltimore to vist Aunt Helen. Me: How are we going, the stupid bus again? No, we are taking the Morning Congressional. On the other hand, today, if a clean, fast and reliable train went up and down the NEC, other than the marketing people who get paid to worry about it, and a few of us, most of the people who actually use the train probably don't care. |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 17 12:08:34 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:03:13 2017. That is not what you said. You said it was not related to grey. I pointed out that the original Norse or Celtic root you cite was also the precursor of the word grey, according to the sources I consulted. So it is related to grey. |
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Re: New paint scheme for Acelas |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 17 12:10:02 2017, in response to Re: New paint scheme for Acelas, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 17 01:04:19 2017. And you are a buffoon. |
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