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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 00:02:48 2017 Read all about it in The Daily News. |
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Posted by MR RT on Thu May 18 16:49:57 2017, in response to On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 00:02:48 2017. Interesting that his boss (MTA VP) is defending him.They'll usually throw him under the bus (train). |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 18 16:59:31 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by MR RT on Thu May 18 16:49:57 2017. Not for nothin’, but I have personally had experiences with station agents who seem totally clueless about what their duties actually are and I was an operating transit manager. Many rank and file employees seem to have no respect whatsoever for supervision and management and If I as a manager can’t get appropriate respect, then what chance does the fare paying passenger have? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 17:12:36 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by MR RT on Thu May 18 16:49:57 2017. Interesting that his boss (MTA VP) is defending him.Reread the quote: Derick Echevarria, vice president of stations for the Transit Workers Union, was stunned by Goodwin’s arrest. “He’s an exemplary employee ... not a passenger complaint in the past 20 years,” Echevarria said of Goodwin. “It’s a misunderstanding on the police’s part.” Echevarria said the 57th St. station is extremely busy and Goodwin has his hands full. Cops receive MetroCards so they can swipe themselves into train stations if needed, the union rep added. “(Goodwin’s) a hardworking guy who does his job and does it properly,” he said. “He has other parts of the job than opening the gate for people who have a card to swipe themselves in.” |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu May 18 17:55:23 2017, in response to On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 00:02:48 2017. I'm still trying to figure out what "57th Street station at Eighth Avenue" that they are talking about.There's a 59th Street station at Avenue and Columbus Circle that has a long pedestrian passageway ending about 57th Street with entrances to the street, but that same station also has entrances about 60th Street and Central Park West, and about 59th Street. The #1, A, B, C and D line stop there. I remember the station from the mid-1970's with the New York Coliseum because that was the nearest subway station to my high school. I mean I know that there's a 57th Street station at Seventh Avenue next to Carnegie Hall with an entrance on 55th Street, and a 57th Street station at Sixth Avenue that opened mid-1968. I really hate to think that I've missed a station in that area.(Smile) Mike |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu May 18 18:28:55 2017, in response to On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 00:02:48 2017. I'm at a loss for why he didn't just buzz the officer in. You see the uniform and the badge let em in period... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 18 20:52:11 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Michael549 on Thu May 18 17:55:23 2017. The incident occurred at the 57th St. entrance of the 59th St./Columbus Circle station. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu May 18 22:35:18 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu May 18 18:28:55 2017. There are some people in NYC who see the average criminal as the good guy and the average cop as the bad guy, and when they get a chance they'll act to assist the first and hinder the second. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 18 22:42:53 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu May 18 18:28:55 2017. Cops could have easily jumped the turnstile as well... though the "open the gate" command should have been reacted to much more quickly. They could just as easily have been EMTs trying to get to an emergency downstairs... |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 18 23:58:41 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu May 18 18:28:55 2017. If it were true that the clerk did see the officer, and could identify him as such, then the clerk should have released the gate. But we don't know if those circumstances were the case or not. Generally, no one has an affirmative duty to assist the police, but only not stand in their way. This seems unusual for the police to assert that the failure of the clerk to involve himself in the police activity, by helping the officers enter the station area, is a criminal offense. The story told by the officers seems especially suspicious given that they had, or should had, a MetroCard with them at the time; and also that the bad guy was able to enter the station by jumping the turnstile, and these officers should have been in good enough physical shape to have done the same. Although not all the facts might yet be out, this does seem to raise the specter of lazy or out-of-shape officers. |
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Posted by MR RT on Fri May 19 10:48:53 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by randyo on Thu May 18 16:59:31 2017. And ... I still have a suit pending against those senior MTA Managers ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 19 11:35:42 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 17:12:36 2017. Baloney. He's probably a cop hater who played dumb. Needs to be fired. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri May 19 11:41:50 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 19 11:35:42 2017. ++ That's the simplest and by far the most likely explanation. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:20:10 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 18 17:12:36 2017. While the cops have Metrocards to swipe in, an officer in hot pursuit can’t easily fish into his/her uniform to get at the card. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:47:50 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Steamdriven on Thu May 18 22:35:18 2017. But an employee of a public agency like the MTA is duty bound by the oath sworn at the commencement of employment not to assist the perp and to help the cop. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:49:35 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 18 22:42:53 2017. There is a bar above each turnstile which is intended to hinder jumping the turnstile and a cop in hot pursuit could easily be injured trying to jump it. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:55:17 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 18 23:58:41 2017. As I mentioned in my other posts, it would not be easy for an officer to have to fish into his/her pocket for a Metrocard in the heat of hot pursuit. Also while the perp may have been adept at turnstile jumping, the bar above the turnstile to deter jumpers could have injured an officer trying to jump it. As for no one having an affirmative duty to assist the police, while that may apply to an ordinary citizen, a person such as the station agent who has the means to assist has a duty bound obligation to do so. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri May 19 15:48:42 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 18 22:42:53 2017. The only reasonable explanation i could think of is the clerk didn't see the officer. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Fri May 19 16:05:35 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Steamdriven on Fri May 19 11:41:50 2017. I agree with you and Chris R16.....That agent's eyes tell the tale!! |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri May 19 16:43:40 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:55:17 2017. I would suggest that if the MetroCard system does not well enough to provide s secure environment, then it should have been designed differently. That the system, as originally designed, created a fire hazard, and that panic bars had to retrofitted onto the service gates afterwards, there is evidence there that the focus of the design was for the NYCTA to protect its revenue stream, not to protect the safety and security of the passengers. This story would never have hit the light of day with the prior slam gate system. If emergency responders can no longer quickly access the system using MetroCards, then it is a fundamental flaw for which the NYCTA property protection personnel, and engineers, ought to be held accountable.If candidates for police officer don't want to undertake the risks involved in pursuing criminals, then they should choose a different career. Injuries of pursuit are part of the job. In fact, at time, criminals will use weapons affirmatively against police officers, and those brave officers will typically get injured. Police officers are taught, or ought to be taught, how to jump a turnstile in order to be able to quickly get around a subway station. Imagine how Insp. Harry Callahan would have responded if his partner said he was afraid to do so! While certainly it would be nonsensical to require that a person who does not have the means to do so must come to the aid of a police officer, the standard for aiding applies to everyone, regardless of employer. By statute, it is section 195.10 of the Penal Law, which reads as follows: "A person is guilty of refusing to aid a peace or a police officer when, upon command by a peace or a police officer identifiable or identified to him as such, he unreasonably fails or refuses to aid such peace or a police officer in effecting an arrest, or in preventing the commission by another person of any offense" (this is a class B misdemeanor, the lowest of all of crimes). The duty to aid occurs in only two specified circumstances. The problem is the difficulty of being able to prove that someone actually knows that they are being commanded to assist with an arrest, which is ordinarily impaired by the exigency of the circumstances, and further impaired here here the token booth glass makes communication more difficult. A quick search of reported cases in LEXIS doesn't show anything that helps interpret the statute as it would be applied here, and so that gets us to the point that there is no general duty to aid, but to establish that there was duty here is difficult to prove. Bottom line is that the police need better ways to get to the bad guys, that the subway was not designed with security in mind (other than the security of the NYCTA itself), and that police should be expected to put themselves at risk. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri May 19 23:03:32 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 19 11:35:42 2017. good post |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat May 20 00:24:14 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 18 20:52:11 2017. YES, I KNOW THAT!THAT STATION WAS MY HIGH SCHOOL STATION FOR FOUR YEARS! I was referring to the article constantly naming the station as "the 57th Street station at Eighth Avenue." Basically I was saying that the news reporter of a New York City based newspaper can not even get the proper name of a subway station correct. Several times on this forum in the past when the newspapers make such mistakes we have noted those mistakes here. Mike |
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Posted by B1bus on Sat May 20 00:35:18 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by randyo on Fri May 19 13:49:35 2017. I saw 5 people jumping with no problem at Bleecker st uptown 6 in just minutes while on a 6 train delayed by 5 minutes. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 21 18:04:35 2017, in response to Re: On Duty Subway Booth Attendant Arrested, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 19 16:43:40 2017. It’s not merely a matter of the officer putting himself/herself at risk but if said officer does happen top get either or injured or mere;ly delayed, it could compromise the pursuit. |
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